Kusunoki-san wa Koukou Debut ni Shippai Shite Iru - Ch. 41.1 - My relationship with Kusunoki might be changing

[Loukhx]

As far as we know yet, she meant what she said and have no reason to believe otherwise. The author very well might do what you said, I've thought about that too. But not yet. I'm fine with Hebi being a bitch who then gradually falls for Keisuke instead of always being a good person who was misinterpreted accidentally.

Honestly, I'm fine with it too. It would be character development for Hebikawa, only Kusunoki is the one who is perfect from the start and that's why she's boring for so many people.

You're still trying to diminish Kusunoki too, read Page 15 of Ch 35, she sees his smile and her heart starts going all BADUMP BADUMP, and she wonders what she's feeling. She dazes out for a moment and then gets self conscious about holding hands with him all day. She was definitely not calm inside. Keisuke didn't even notice that he held hands with her all day until way later when he was already on his way home.

Well, now that I've read it again, you might actually be right. The author might make her develop feelings for him. It would still be a very bad move to make them a couple, boring af.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

Im a big Hebi shipped but your paragraph is cope. Hebi didn't just say one bad thing about him, she outright said that she basically considered him a loser and only ever interacted with him to make herself look better in other's eyes by acting like a good person. She had absolutely no other interest in him. She only pursued him because she was interested in knowing why he wanted to avoid her, once she found out the reason, she lost interest and left him alone because the reason was boring.
Kusunoki is definitely interested in him as shown by her almost aggresive denial of such topics when brought up, and chapter 35 when they danced together made is clear. Her refusal for anything romantic is definitely related to her backstory as to why she made herself look worse and stayed away from most people.

She also went out with Kusunoki on their first "friend date", just to bring her clique, antagonize her to the point of making her cry, because she was interested in Kusunoki's reaction to that. And she basically assaulted MC when he was sick in bed, because she was interested why he reacted to her with puking. There were also few subtler interactions with her mean girl posse that show her as their tyrant queen.

She decided to be someone who uses and abuses others, including MC, to put her points in "mean girl" class, even if her reasons will never stop being hilarious to me (her idol had sex!) and she went so far into denial in this dark chunibyo phase, to actually try and paint herself as not a victim of creep dating her mom, but as a sexy JK minx that toys with dumb older guy. She is rather shitty person that pushes other people's buttons because she's "interested", but also full of denial and frankly silly misconceptions about how world works, despite being somewhat good at reading people. Her obsessions with Kusunoki and her "purity" is example of those misconceptions, since Kusunoki is simply just nice person that was probably bullied or something in middle school.

Anyway, Hebikawa definitely has a lot of growing up to do, and her home situation is actually forcing her to grow up and look for allies. But she definitely weren't someone who just did one bad thing, even if she's far cry from bullies from Takopi or those Korean bully manhwa.

 

[Doutorfunga]

We all seem to have forgotten that the boy also didn't have (m)any friends and latches on quickly - that's how Hebi became part of the story in the first place.
Sounds more like he's afraid to be friendless again if Kusunoku makes more friends. Not to mention he's been kind of a dick to her throughout the series

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

This is some incel shit dude

This guy is just NTR obsessed, he was also writing about NTR in Boku no Kokoro thread. I don't know why he won't just go to any porn/hentai website and click on the favorite tag, it's that easy nowadays.

 

[Shad24772]

"ehh screw Kusunoki, Shizuki. Go claim Snake-chan with the ol' History Reversal and make her fall for you"

is what my petty side is saying, though I know that won't happen.

But just once I wanna see an author have the *cojones to have the MC be snubbed by the FMC (intentionally or otherwise) and just go "welp fuck it" and pursue someone else, potentially showing the FMC what she missed out on because she just assumed MC would always be there (romantically or otherwise).

But, interested to see where it goes from here.
Thanks for the chapter, as always ~

looks like you forgot that "secret" is already outta the bag for Snake girl. and our boy is literally vomiting his guts out when he's too close to her.

 

[MiguelH224]

This guy is just NTR obsessed, he was also writing about NTR in Boku no Kokoro thread. I don't know why he won't just go to any porn/hentai website and click on the favorite tag, it's that easy nowadays.

Exactly, some people just can't help but spread that shit everywhere

 

[UdenEmpati]

looks like you forgot that "secret" is already outta the bag for Snake girl. and our boy is literally vomiting his guts out when he's too close to her.

Which is why Keisuke and Hebikawa getting together would help both of their character arcs.

 

[GregoryFregory]

so the 2nd half of this chapter is already out in the raw site, and the next chapter will only be out inside the new vol 6 which will come out in 25th july.

 

[Darklight99]

looks like you forgot that "secret" is already outta the bag for Snake girl. and our boy is literally vomiting his guts out when he's too close to her.

Keisuke stopped doing that around Hebi ages ago, he talks to her normally now. Even bought her a cake for her birthday

 

[Shad24772]

Which is why Keisuke and Hebikawa getting together would help both of their character arcs.

he already bought her a cake for her birthday. it's not like he can't even talk to her bad. their distance is fine. actually, amazing when you think about their past. in keisuke's shoes i wouldn't touch her with a 3 meter poll. need validation for your shitty behaviour. go find it in the opposite direction from me! yo step-dad is hitting on you? oh, geez. that's what police and child support organizations are for. go to those if you don't wanna get a surprise snuggle-struggle~

Keisuke stopped doing that around Hebi ages ago, he talks to her normally now. Even bought her a cake for her birthday

was just writing about it~~

 

[kiero13]

I hope he does.

Stop with the "MC & FMC are destined" nonsense, don't be a coward, author

Kusunoki gets her high school debut.
Hebikawa gets Keisuke.
Everyone's happy.

Bold. Plot. Decisions.

I mean sure the author can but to make the mc just give up because fmc has another friend now is fucking lazy

 

[UdenEmpati]

he already bought her a cake for her birthday. it's not like he can't even talk to her bad. their distance is fine. actually, amazing when you think about their past. in keisuke's shoes i wouldn't touch her with a 3 meter poll. need validation for your shitty behaviour. go find it in the opposite direction from me! yo step-dad is hitting on you? oh, geez. that's what police and child support organizations are for. go to those if you don't wanna get a surprise snuggle-struggle~

This is a high school romcom manga, adults don't factor into it from the problem-solving side.

And yes, Keisuke & Hebikawa are in a better place than when he was in middle school, obviously. But they both still need to fully resolve that particular point between them, and Keisuke being the one "primary" male lead means that he's slated to be the one who helps Hebikawa shave off the edges, mellow out, and stop obsessing over things like "image" that have been landing her in hot water since elementary school.

I personally want them to get together as well, because I think that would be an effective way to resolve both of their arcs, and because I personally am bored of Kusunoki and think Hebikawa's a better bet than Otobe.

But Kusunoki's arc is largely resolved now. Let her go be Queen Bee of the school, and Keisuke can drop his crush and go Snake Wrangling.
And, if Kusunoki has feelings for him, then maybe losing Keisuke to Hebikawa can help address whatever is in her middle school backstory that made her so vehemently reject him every time up to now.
Plus, she's perfect and never loses. Kusunoki losing her repressed crush to Mean Girl Snake-chan would be a nice lesson in what that's like.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I mean sure the author can but to make the mc just give up because fmc has another friend now is fucking lazy

It's not "another friend", it's the realization that that's on the start, and that Kusunoki is officially leaving him behind as her Debut succeeds and her arc starts resolving, and she doesn't need him anymore.

One of Keisuke's big points was that he has trouble with pretty girls (and girls in general), thanks to Hebikawa. He also was a huge Otaku and didn't really have much in the way of friends in general. I think that, if he realizes he's being left behind by Kusunoki and especially if he finds out she rejected him in her talk with Hebikawa, he might regress and self-isolate/sulk, which would put him square in Hebikawa's sights to start their shared arc together.

Not an attack, but you're not the first person I've heard call it "lazy", and I guess I'm just curious why because no one's actually expounded on that yet that I've seen.

 

[kiero13]

It's not "another friend", it's the realization that that's on the start, and that Kusunoki is officially leaving him behind as her Debut succeeds and her arc starts resolving, and she doesn't need him anymore.

One of Keisuke's big points was that he has trouble with pretty girls (and girls in general), thanks to Hebikawa. He also was a huge Otaku and didn't really have much in the way of friends in general. I think that, if he realizes he's being left behind by Kusunoki and especially if he finds out she rejected him in her talk with Hebikawa, he might regress and self-isolate/sulk, which would put him square in Hebikawa's sights to start their shared arc together.

Not an attack, but you're not the first person I've heard call it "lazy", and I guess I'm just curious why because no one's actually expounded on that yet that I've seen.

The original reply didn't expound theirs so I also didn't explain mine. The part I'm calling "lazy" are what the most here wants. For the mc to just give up and go with the other girl (cause they like her more) who caused his trauma. Basically the fan service route is what I'm calling lazy.

Like I said previously, I'm fine whoever he ends up to. I don't have a solid ship here I'm just interested in the story and how it'll turn for both mc and fmc.

Just because you like someone doesn't mean they'll like you back, so what do you do? Either admire and move on from your feelings eventually, or make them like you back. The latter is what we usually read and are hooked to in romance stories. So when people bring the argument that fmc already declared she doesn't have feelings is dogshit. Of course she doesnt.

For the mc to just give up in a way is lazy at this stage of the story. Like dude you just realized you like her and you didnt do anything yet, cant even ask her during the festival lol

If the author chooses your route and the mc realizes he is getting left behind, he doesn't have to give up immediately just because of that. Giving up is regressing to his past self. He is already friends with fmc, he just needs to focus more on himself then comes making her like him back.

If during his improvement he also eventually develop romantic feelings for the other girl because she was a key figure that helped him then sure might be a good story. But if he did just because fanservice? Because poor her, her parents are awful and he has to save her? Ugh

 

[LeBronBron]

Why is bro so sad? I mean we know her goal is to make new friends and if u dont habe the balls to ask her and she instead goes with a friend. Where is the problem? I mean its not like he didnt have the chance to ask her

 

[UdenEmpati]

Why is bro so sad? I mean we know her goal is to make new friends and if u dont habe the balls to ask her and she instead goes with a friend. Where is the problem? I mean its not like he didnt have the chance to ask her

Keisuke's a teenager still working through the fact that he's not great at friendship dynamics, much less romantic ones, and Kusunoki's the one he likes.

Are you telling me you've never wanted to do/say something, thought "nah I can wait a bit, there's a better time in the near future" and then it turns out you missed your chance and you didn't regret it? Ever?

 

[USB3pt0]

All these fucking comments and no one's pointed out an entire page between Irie falling and getting back up is missing?

EDIT: the next part of this chapter is gonna upset so many dorks here i can't wait

 

[UdenEmpati]

All these fucking comments and no one's pointed out an entire page between Irie falling and getting back up is missing?

Literally the first comment of the entire thread did.

EDIT: the next part of this chapter is gonna upset so many dorks here i can't wait

That said, I don't need to know Japanese to see that walk home, and suspect that you're probably correct.

 

[LeBronBron]

Keisuke's a teenager still working through the fact that he's not great at friendship dynamics, much less romantic ones, and Kusunoki's the one he likes.

Are you telling me you've never wanted to do/say something, thought "nah I can wait a bit, there's a better time in the near future" and then it turns out you missed your chance and you didn't regret it? Ever?

I mean ur right but just the way he looks is like bro come on. He looks like idk his cat died. I mean they are srill friends there wilk be other oportunitys. Would I have been disapointed? Absolutely. Would I've looked like this fucker? Hell nah

 

[UdenEmpati]

I mean they are still friends there will be other opportunities

Well I can't read Japanese, but peeking at what's in the rest of 4241, I wonder if this will be the case for much longer (clearly I'm going off expressions/posture & panel/speech bubble pacing, but, still)

Either way, the exaggerated reactions he had to realizing he missed his chance and might have the door closing in his face is likely for the purposes of dramatic story telling, so I guess that's just where it has to be left off with.