Akuyaku Reijou tte no wa Kou Yaru no yo - Ch. 5.2

[NatoBoram]

They're gonna have to convince the price they're just enjoying being in a chess club and repeatedly make him feel stupid for him to leave them alone lmao

 

[OWMWO]

Shaddap prince moron, let the ADULTS talk.

 

[Scipo0419]

The queen watching Cassandra throw her son and the Saintess multiple life preservers as they continue to drown themselves:

 

[d_a_renoir]

Yeah, as much as I love these kinda stories, the more derivative it becomes, the more that it just loses the plot.
Like, in a classic isekai/shoujo romance manga, the "heroine" is someone who is clumsy and sometimes sucks at what she's doing, but she really genuinely tries hard and actually did do things that makes the men fall in love with her. She's not just "teehee adorkable". Don't these people know that in classic shoujo titles very often the prince (or whoever the love interest is) dislikes her too? The love interests are very serious in upholding their duties, and the heroine only won their hearts through effort and actually doing something worthwhile.

And on the flipside, originally, the "noble villainess" stories that condemns the "heroine" for being naive and stupid do have a point. Like sometimes a classic shoujo manga "heroine" does "good things" that actually makes no sense economically or socially unreasonable for a society with strict hierarchy like this. I mean, stuff like that are probably written by working adults who thinks that shoujo romances are too fluffy and unrealistic compared to the harsh reality they experience at work. I can relate, when I read a more "classic" style shoujo romances (they do still exist) I do feel like it's too airhead-y or unrealistic to me.

But then the copycat titles just completely misses the point, so it's all just flanderised into nonsense. The "original heroine" just becomes either manipulative, or completely useless and just cry and do nothing. The men who fawn over her are just "charmed" into loving her through magic, or are just utter idiots from the start. The "villainess" protagonist only did the bare minimum common sense stuff and gets praised. Or the villainess just becomes the good classic heroine herself because the "original heroine" is evil. It's all lazy writing.

 

[Reader1138]

Yeah, as much as I love these kinda stories, the more derivative it becomes, the more that it just loses the plot.
Like, in a classic isekai/shoujo romance manga, the "heroine" is someone who is clumsy and sometimes sucks at what she's doing, but she really genuinely tries hard and actually did do things that makes the men fall in love with her. She's not just "teehee adorkable". Don't these people know that in classic shoujo titles very often the prince (or whoever the love interest is) dislikes her too? The love interests are very serious in upholding their duties, and the heroine only won their hearts through effort and actually doing something worthwhile.

And on the flipside, originally, the "noble villainess" stories that condemns the "heroine" for being naive and stupid do have a point. Like sometimes a classic shoujo manga "heroine" does "good things" that actually makes no sense economically or socially unreasonable for a society with strict hierarchy like this. I mean, stuff like that are probably written by working adults who thinks that shoujo romances are too fluffy and unrealistic compared to the harsh reality they experience at work. I can relate, when I read a more "classic" style shoujo romances (they do still exist) I do feel like it's too airhead-y or unrealistic to me.

But then the copycat titles just completely misses the point, so it's all just flanderised into nonsense. The "original heroine" just becomes either manipulative, or completely useless and just cry and do nothing. The men who fawn over her are just "charmed" into loving her through magic, or are just utter idiots from the start. The "villainess" protagonist only did the bare minimum common sense stuff and gets praised. Or the villainess just becomes the good classic heroine herself because the "original heroine" is evil. It's all lazy writing.

True. The OG stories tend to have the villainess as ultimately a shallow person mainly concern with preserving her place or role in society. Meanwhile the saint is more genuinely concerned for the welbeing of others even as she naively conflicts with the social norms (that attitude is why the males love interests can excuse her social flaws yet don't seem less for themselves for doing so because they admire her as a person).
The "villainess" stories basically flips the characters and the saint becames shallow and self indulgent while the villainess will act for others. Since the male leads are a reflection of the saint by extension, they become shallow as well. Their affection isn't driven by the previous element of respect but simply because they see her as "cute'. Because their actions are driven by that simple motivation, they become literal "simps" with no critical thinking ability.