Asuperu Kanojo - Vol. 4 Ch. 31 - One Step at a Time...

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as my doctor once explained it when I asked if I should try to come off my antidepressants: if you have high blood pressure, would you ever stop taking the medication that reduces it? it's the same for psychiatric medications, though obviously they all have different effects, side-effects, and tolerance curves.
 
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Wait a moment, is she on benzos? Because that's how benzos work, not antidepressants.
 
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Damn, what the dude did with the other tenants of the building, that would be hard even for most people without any issues. It's not like he had a pregnant wife back home and he asked people to occasionally check on her, for some reason like previous disastrous pregnancies. After all, pregnancy has zero social stigma and people would understand it's a highly transient situation. Of course in some cultures it would be far easier than in others, but I believe in Japan the threshold for this is pretty high.
 
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Taking medication isn't dangerous, coming off of medication isn't dangerous.

It's when you do not have regular checkups with your physician to establish how you are doing with either of these scenarios - that's when you have major problems.
 
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@chusetto for treating PTSD or a panic disorder, particularly one with psychosis, she'd be prescribed sedatives which may indeed be benzos. I know in the UK however, that dependence-forming sedatives are usually only given for short durations, with antihistamines and antipsychotics given instead for long-term need.

@StarixCrown depression can have many causes, hormones being one of them, but it is not itself a hormone imbalance. Also, both hormone imbalances and depression are medical conditions. In fact, one of the meds I take for anxiety, propranolol, is also a prophylactic against high blood pressure and heart diseases.

@bakiomari Modern antidepressants aren't addictive. They do have withdrawal effects, but that is not evidence itself of addiction. Medication is a necessity for many people, and a helpful aid to living a normal life to a great many more. There is no nobility in living with suffering, and no weakness in using a drug that lets you live life without pain.

@MonsieurQuack That's quite the blanket statement. Stopping some medications abruptly can cause or contribute to death. Taking inappropriate medication, or inappropriate doses, is a common cause of death. However, you are right, consult your doctor before starting or ending medication, and also find a doctor that is receptive to your needs.
 
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no, taking meds is dangerous in 90% of cases, especially when meds create a dependancy that can not only last for the rest of your life, but can also have some pretty nasty side-effects every time one brand of meds stops working, especially if you don't take care to actually do activities outside of taking meds to try and get rid of any dependencies that might arise, which, unfortunately, is the case for most people who take meds; they assume that by just popping pills every day then all their problems will magically be fixed. It doesn't actually work like that. You still need to do something other than taking meds in order to cure whatever issues that they have, including activities such as taking walks outside and letting the sun have a positive effect on you. If your issue is dealing with people, then you can take walks with low foot traffic and gradually get used to it that way. In most cases these activities are unironically all you need to do. Meds should always be seen as an absolute last resort and not the first port of call precisely because there's always another option that you don't have to pay for in order to help you get better, and any doctor who prescribes you meds as a first step is probably just trying to bleed your cash away. In a lot of cases, creating a drug dependency actually ends up being worse over all for the person who's taking the meds, not because anyone makes fun of them, but because the patient starts thinking of themselves as a lesser human for having to rely on medication in order to live a normal life, when they could have just been told that if their case wasn't especially serious, then all they'd really need to do is make a positive effort to take breaks, get some air, stop looking at porn (this one is genuinely a big factor in helping fix any issues if you're a dude), stretch their legs and stop overfocusing on things that have fucked up for them.

tl;dr - please stop shilling for meds when the ideal situation would be that no-one has to use drugs to feel happy at all.
 
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Yes, it was - it's a failing of mine that in my mind I normally have a long spiel of a comment to make with a lot of points and things, and what actually gets typed becomes a couple of sentences maximum - leading to misunderstandings and not in a comedy manga way either.

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Well... I do agree that people that do take medication to help with their mental health should be doing other things to assist in their recovery (therapy, exercise, familial & social network support). However, I do not agree that they should be a last resort. Meds should be seen as a form of scaffolding that are there to support the mind while other forms of maintenance are carried out, and it may be such a case that they're the very first thing to shore things up until a thorough survey is conducted. Over time, the owner may decide that they are feeling better - then there should be a plan to dismantle the scaffolding in a controlled manner and that may involve other methods of keeping the building aloft.

However in this scenario , Saitou has been taking the medication for so long that the scaffold has begun corroding at the joints and not supporting her mind. She's not been seeing any professionals, except for the emergency room staff, and is practically housebound with very little interaction for her mind or body.

What really got to me though is your statement saying, "when they could have just been told that if their case wasn't especially serious". Everyones case is serious, and no-one gets to decide how things are placed on the sliding scale. Yes, perhaps folks do need to get out more and feeling the sun on their face, but if you don't have the motivation to do that then how do you expect them to get better? Well, in the short term lets see how you do with these meds as a start and then follow this plan... etc etc...

I strongly suspect you've not had a depressive episode as your comments come over as being a bit narrow in perspective and even a little naive.
 
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@smegmo-the-unclean I don't know which fallacy to address first, so I'll go for the first one.

no, taking meds is dangerous in 90% of cases,
Categorically false. Firstly, it is the dose that makes a poison. Secondly, the vast majority of therapeutic drugs have a very high dose threshold before being dangerous, because that is one of the criteria for selecting a particular drug for market.
especially when meds create a dependancy that can not only last for the rest of your life, but can also have some pretty nasty side-effects every time one brand of meds stops working
Medications that cause dependencies are in the minority. Also, dependency doesn't work like that, and active chemicals don't change between brands of the same drug.
especially if you don't take care to actually do activities outside of taking meds to try and get rid of any dependencies that might arise
The only activity that can rid you of a drug dependency is controlled cessation of that drug.
which, unfortunately, is the case for most people who take meds; they assume that by just popping pills every day then all their problems will magically be fixed. It doesn't actually work like that.
It actually can be like that. Even assuming you're referring only to drugs taken for their psychoactive effects, that can be the case. It often isn't, but you can't make a blanket statement like that in truth.
You still need to do something other than taking meds in order to cure whatever issues that they have, including activities such as taking walks outside and letting the sun have a positive effect on you.
Walking outside in the sun does not treat or prevent major depressive disorder, or PTSD, or generalised anxiety disorder etc.
If your issue is dealing with people, then you can take walks with low foot traffic and gradually get used to it that way. In most cases these activities are unironically all you need to do.
While avoidance is not a healthy coping mechanism for anxiety, taking ''walks with low foot traffic'' is not therapy. If someone just needs to go for a walk more often, they do not have an anxiety disorder in need of medical intervention.
Meds should always be seen as an absolute last resort and not the first port of call precisely because there's always another option that you don't have to pay for in order to help you get better, and any doctor who prescribes you meds as a first step is probably just trying to bleed your cash away.
I get free prescriptions. I also need the drugs I take because without them I am unable to look after myself. They are my first port of call because they are the appropriate course of action.
In a lot of cases, creating a drug dependency actually ends up being worse over all for the person who's taking the meds, not because anyone makes fun of them, but because the patient starts thinking of themselves as a lesser human for having to rely on medication in order to live a normal life, when they could have just been told that if their case wasn't especially serious, then all they'd really need to do is make a positive effort to take breaks, get some air, stop looking at porn (this one is genuinely a big factor in helping fix any issues if you're a dude), stretch their legs and stop overfocusing on things that have fucked up for them.
I think this says more about you and your anxieties than it says anything about overmedication. Also, drug dependency is not depending on drugs. It is a biological adaptation to drug dosage that can cause adverse withdrawal effects. You're speaking from a position of ignorance, and should probably stop.
tl;dr - please stop shilling for meds when the ideal situation would be that no-one has to use drugs to feel happy at all.
Nobody here is on a pharmaceutical company's marketing payroll (I assume), so nobody is shilling. I don't take anti-depressants to feel happy, I take them because I can't look after myself when in a depressed state. If you take a drug to feel happy, that is recreational drug use, which is a long way away from treating psychological disorders. (Not that I'm knocking it, I drink beer and used to pop ecstasy and smoke cannabis, I'm fine with recreational drug use!)

@MonsieurQuack I assumed about as much, I just find it important to address because of the misunderstanding many people have with therapeutic drugs and psychological disorders.
 
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@gronkle I was going to write up a massive response to this post but then I realized it was a waste of time as you're probably just going to call me ignorant again regardless of what I have to say, just like every other redditor who uses the same method of post-formatting that you do. enjoy being a degenerate druggie, I guess.
 
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@gronkle thanks for spreading some truth, I hate it when uninformed fuckwits spread misinformation about psych meds
 
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I like the style shift for when it's in the manga that MC is writing.


Also, yeah, I can attest to what FMC is going through here because I've gone through the same thing at several points. You have to up the doses every few years, which is why I'm at higher risk for things like liver cancer or damage.

Shout it, brother! That guy's either a troll, an idiot, or someone that is high on the drug known as ideology. @gronkle
 
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Wow that went well with the landlord. That could have went "Fine then I will kick you out" when he used the suicide approach.
 
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this is getting out of mc hand. stranger is the least person i can trust personally moreover entrusting someone that is hard to handle. he might think everything might be alright with this small step since all he ask is ring the bell but something bound to happen
 

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