Boku no Ikezu na Konyakusha - Ch. 23.1

[beThereShortly]

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- the OutKast

 

[Forikorder]

Now the full chapter isn't completely out yet but.... are we... are we really going to act like Sorata is the one who needs to clearly communicate what he feels ? Really ? Okay....

in this specific case it was though, he did tell her hed be fine with her going to any school without really communicating how he really feels

yes shes not properly expressing her feelings too (which is compounded by him misunderstanding the parts she does communicate) but in this situation he is the one who needed to be clearer on what he meant

 

[leo12345]

Yeah i agree with what people are saying here. The whole initial plot of the manga was that the "fiancée is so mean!" because she would say things that came off bad and didn't explain them leading to misunderstandings. In the very first chapter he confessed to her while she stopped wearing their engagement ring without explaining why. Seems to me like his feelings have been pretty clear from day one and it's kinda irritating that he's the one who has to fix things, but whatever, this is one specific moment, hopefully she'll properly communicate her feelings later

 

[b-no]

Miyuki, I like you, but please also state how you feel and elaborate it!!!

Relationship isn't built on one-way communication!

 

[Lordekomy]

in this specific case it was though, he did tell her hed be fine with her going to any school without really communicating how he really feels

yes shes not properly expressing her feelings too (which is compounded by him misunderstanding the parts she does communicate) but in this situation he is the one who needed to be clearer on what he meant

Honestly, I do agree that for this specific case, Sorata should clearly communicate what he feels since what he said led to a big misunderstanding. And I would have enjoyed this arc if it didn't follow 20+ chapters of Miyuki basically doing the same thing without needing to clarify anything.
It just doesn't feel right when taken as a whole. We go into this scene knowing that for 20+ chapters, Sorata has been confused, demeaned and anxious because of her lack of communcation. Feelings that resulted into this misunderstanding happening in the first place. Yet, it still falls on him to take the steps to resolve the situation. It's just frustrating at this point.
She hasn't even clarified the issue of the confession and engagement ring until now, which should be as big an issue as the current one. But since it only affects Sorata, no attention is paid to it. If they do address it afterwards, it will still have to be Sorata who needs to do something.
As a whole, I personally find this arc really dissapointing.
Sorata has been, and continues to be the punching bag of the story. Whether it is justified or not kind of stops mattering to me after a certain point.

 

[Forikorder]

Honestly, I do agree that for this specific case, Sorata should clearly communicate what he feels since what he said led to a big misunderstanding. And I would have enjoyed this arc if it didn't follow 20+ chapters of Miyuki basically doing the same thing without needing to clarify anything.
It just doesn't feel right when taken as a whole. We go into this scene knowing that for 20+ chapters, Sorata has been confused, demeaned and anxious because of her lack of communcation. Feelings that resulted into this misunderstanding happening in the first place. Yet, it still falls on him to take the steps to resolve the situation. It's just frustrating at this point.
She hasn't even clarified the issue of the confession and engagement ring until now, which should be as big an issue as the current one. But since it only affects Sorata, no attention is paid to it. If they do address it afterwards, it will still have to be Sorata who needs to do something.
As a whole, I personally find this arc really dissapointing.
Sorata has been, and continues to be the punching bag of the story. Whether it is justified or not kind of stops mattering to me after a certain point.

personally i dont think its really her lack of communication but his own self esteem and trying to decipher non-existent "kyotoisms" thats causing the issue, if anything shes been better at trying to advance their relationship (slowly) and his denseness ends up causing roadblocks

 

[Lordekomy]

personally i dont think its really her lack of communication but his own self esteem and trying to decipher non-existent "kyotoisms" thats causing the issue, if anything shes been better at trying to advance their relationship (slowly) and his denseness ends up causing roadblocks

People always say that Sorata is dense but I don't particularly agree. He confessed to her and he essentially got rejected. He even came back the next day to ask her to clarify and he still got rejected. And right after that, when asked why she came to Sorata's school specifically, she only answer that she was "forced by her grandmother to spend time with her fiancée" or something like that. All of that because she can't bring herself to say she does like the dude. Those were like the first 3 or 4 chapters of the manga.

At that point, I don't blame Sorata for not getting her ambiguous attempts at getting close to him.
Misunderstanding so bad, even their friends believe it's a one-sided love from Sorata.

I'm not going to say that Sorata dumb "kyotoism" thing does not play a part or that Miyuki never tried to get close to him. But I'm going to need more from Miyuki than just a few ambiguous attempts like giving him chocolate and money "full of her feelings".

She's lucky Sorata hasn't given up on this yet.
Especially when Sorata keeps getting demeaned about how he is not fit to be with her or whatever.

 

[nihaoma11]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[UdenEmpati]

People always say that Sorata is dense but I don't particularly agree. He confessed to her and he essentially got rejected. He even came back the next day to ask her to clarify and he still got rejected. And right after that, when asked why she came to Sorata's school specifically, she only answer that she was "forced by her grandmother to spend time with her fiancée" or something like that. All of that because she can't bring herself to say she does like the dude. Those were like the first 3 or 4 chapters of the manga.

At that point, I don't blame Sorata for not getting her ambiguous attempts at getting close to him.
Misunderstanding so bad, even their friends believe it's a one-sided love from Sorata.

I'm not going to say that Sorata dumb "kyotoism" thing does not play a part or that Miyuki never tried to get close to him. But I'm going to need more from Miyuki than just a few ambiguous attempts like giving him chocolate and money "full of her feelings".

She's lucky Sorata hasn't given up on this yet.
Especially when Sorata keeps getting demeaned about how he is not fit to be with her or whatever.

yeah - and the other side of it is, Sorata's inability to actually parse what Miyuki's saying "because of the Kyoto Thing" is due to her brother's meddling from the time they were children.

And Miyuki herself has made a comment, directly to Sorata, about how Ayano isn't meant to be trusted with what he says. But for how smart Miyuki's supposed to be...she never once seems to put together that Sorata is misinterpreting her every time.
Making all of this seem like it's Sorata's fault feels more like readers going by the usual formula for these sorts of series, wherein it's seemingly always the boy's fault and never the girl's that "signals aren't noticed" or that she can never do wrong, and it's always the boy who screws up and has to fix things or do better.

That's not the case here. Yes, they both share some blame, but Sorata makes attempts throughout the series to get his feelings across, and Miyuki never actually puts in the same amount of effort. And even when he said that he wanted her to go to the best school possible (after being once again coerced by her brother into giving up on her), even if that meant back in Kyoto, Miyuki just shut him down and walked away, instead of asking even one clarifying question, or letting him follow up with any from of elaboration.
And then she simply let herself be interrupted when trying to talk afterward, both by her mother and then by Merry the next day while sight-seeing.

And to digress further--that's another problem that Miyuki seemingly refuses to address: even her supposed friend Merry is hostile toward Sorata, as is everyone else at their school when it comes to Sorata's insistence that he and Miyuki are dating/engaged. She doesn't wear the ring, but has it on a necklace, but never once told him she has it still, because it doesn't fit and she doesn't want him to think she's getting fat.
Which.....she apparently doesn't know Sorata at all, if she thinks that's the reaction he'd have.
But she doesn't correct others who badmouth him, who doubt their relationship or her feelings toward him, even when it happens in front of her, and she's so generally cold toward him so often that I feel like his "read" on her is more than a little justified.

 

[Nerex]

People always say that Sorata is dense but I don't particularly agree. He confessed to her and he essentially got rejected. He even came back the next day to ask her to clarify and he still got rejected. And right after that, when asked why she came to Sorata's school specifically, she only answer that she was "forced by her grandmother to spend time with her fiancée" or something like that. All of that because she can't bring herself to say she does like the dude. Those were like the first 3 or 4 chapters of the manga.

At that point, I don't blame Sorata for not getting her ambiguous attempts at getting close to him.
Misunderstanding so bad, even their friends believe it's a one-sided love from Sorata.

I'm not going to say that Sorata dumb "kyotoism" thing does not play a part or that Miyuki never tried to get close to him. But I'm going to need more from Miyuki than just a few ambiguous attempts like giving him chocolate and money "full of her feelings".

She's lucky Sorata hasn't given up on this yet.
Especially when Sorata keeps getting demeaned about how he is not fit to be with her or whatever.

For real. I'm waiting to see part 2 and if FMC will actually show any sort of self-awareness or growth.

 

[zHIST]

Sorata: Solo Carrying a Relationship

More appropriate title

 

[TrueStarBlazer]

MY HOPE IN HUMANITY HAS BEEN REVIVED! ! ! ! ! F*CK YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

Am I missing the plot here, or did she seriously just gaslight Sorata? Like... HE needs to be more open about his feelings? Him? Really? Not you?
Yeah, okay. Let’s all pretend he magically knows how you feel about him despite you barely making that clear. He's the one that make things clear... Not you. OK.

Hopefully, she can learn to be more open and honest with her feelings too, instead of putting that responsibility entirely on Sorata.

My reading is that She's telling him to KEEP talking to him, not to clam up and not say what he thinks he thinks is the right thing to day.
She's tell him he doesn't need to apologize, he just needs to keep saying what's on his mind and not worry about what he thinks he should be saying. She would have understood if he had said what was actually on his mind.

 

[Ibri]

Honestly, I do agree that for this specific case, Sorata should clearly communicate what he feels since what he said led to a big misunderstanding. And I would have enjoyed this arc if it didn't follow 20+ chapters of Miyuki basically doing the same thing without needing to clarify anything.
It just doesn't feel right when taken as a whole. We go into this scene knowing that for 20+ chapters, Sorata has been confused, demeaned and anxious because of her lack of communcation. Feelings that resulted into this misunderstanding happening in the first place. Yet, it still falls on him to take the steps to resolve the situation. It's just frustrating at this point.
She hasn't even clarified the issue of the confession and engagement ring until now, which should be as big an issue as the current one. But since it only affects Sorata, no attention is paid to it. If they do address it afterwards, it will still have to be Sorata who needs to do something.
As a whole, I personally find this arc really dissapointing.
Sorata has been, and continues to be the punching bag of the story. Whether it is justified or not kind of stops mattering to me after a certain point.

The ring yes because she is aware of the possibility that he might misunderstand so she should really explain`that. I don't think she has any idea he took her answer to the confession negatively though? For most misunderstandings I don't think she knows he is having the misunderstanding. But yeah some clear words from her would be nice.

 

[Lordekomy]

The ring yes because she is aware of the possibility that he might misunderstand so she should really explain`that. I don't think she has any idea he took her answer to the confession negatively though? For most misunderstandings I don't think she knows he is having the misunderstanding. But yeah some clear words from her would be nice.

He does come back to her the next day so she can clarify her answer to his confession and she refuses to answer. She said something along the lines of "figure it out yourselve". Too lazy to check the correct quote tho.

 

[UdenEmpati]

He does come back to her the next day so she can clarify her answer to his confession and she refuses to answer. She said something along the lines of "figure it out yourselve". Too lazy to check the correct quote tho.

Took me a second to find exactly what you meant, but:

In chapter 1, she gets cornered by a group of guys who belittle Sorata (who's offscreen at the moment, trying to win a specific gacha pull that she'd failed to get) and try to pick her up. Sorata tries to confront them, but is weak and just gets knocked down. Miyuki grabs the guy and "aikidos" him and they all run off scared, and then Sorata confesses that he is not worthy of her, but that he intends to keep working hard to make her acknowledge him and starts/finishes by confessing that he still likes her.

And all she says is "thank you" while not meeting his eyes - which he takes as a rejection of his feelings for her, because in Kyoto the specific phrase she used can mean "thanks a lot", and outside of Kyoto it roughly translates to "don't bother me/mind your own business" (per the TL in chapter 2, page 3).

So in chapter 2 when Miyuki asks Sorata if he wants to have a study session, he expresses surprise because he thought he'd been rejected. When he asks for clarification ("By the way, what did you mean by, 'don't bother me' the other day...?"), and

Miyuki's depicted as looking panicked, then simply responds "why don't you figure it out yourself?" (ch2p4)



So yeah. Between Miyuki saying nothing to the guys accosting her when they belittle Sorata to her face, and then saying that to him when he tries to ask for clarification on what she'd said in response to his confession, it really does seem like Sorata's been putting in all the work, in spite of everyone around him repeatedly saying he's not worthy of her, and Miyuki just never steps up to defend him, and she continuously runs away from actually being direct or even trying to make herself clear.

Which, is why I'm continuously surprised when people say this is solely Sorata's fault, throughout the whole thing. Yes, he's not perfect, but he's the one making actual efforts, including trying to reach her and make their arranged engagement work as children in the first place over the course of years' worth of visits.

 

[babugue]

My reading is that She's telling him to KEEP talking to him, not to clam up and not say what he thinks he thinks is the right thing to day.
She's tell him he doesn't need to apologize, he just needs to keep saying what's on his mind and not worry about what he thinks he should be saying. She would have understood if he had said what was actually on his mind.

I get that reading, and I don’t think it’s completely wrong. In that specific moment, yes, she seems to be telling him not to hold back, not to overthink what the “correct” thing to say is, and to just be honest with her.

But my issue is that this still puts the burden on Sorata again.

He’s already the one who communicates the most, the one who makes things clear, the one who keeps pushing through all the misunderstandings. Meanwhile, she often either says things in a way that hurts him because of her dialect, or lets important misunderstandings pile up without properly clearing them up herself.

So when the message becomes “he needs to be more open,” it feels frustrating because… he already is. Or at least, he’s been trying way harder than she has.

The ring, the school, the promises, other people constantly telling him he doesn’t deserve her. All of that keeps falling on him to endure, understand, or fix. That’s why it rubbed me the wrong way. It’s not that I think she meant badly there, but the relationship still feels very one-sided in terms of emotional effort, whe know what she fells, he does not. He's not omniscient.

Hopefully, this also leads to her learning to be more open and honest with her feelings too, instead of making Sorata carry that responsibility almost entirely by himself.

And by the way, he's once again putting all the effort alone, with the school thing.

 

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- the OutKast

 

[UdenEmpati]

I get that reading, and I don’t think it’s completely wrong. In that specific moment, yes, she seems to be telling him not to hold back, not to overthink what the “correct” thing to say is, and to just be honest with her.

But my issue is that this still puts the burden on Sorata again.

He’s already the one who communicates the most, the one who makes things clear, the one who keeps pushing through all the misunderstandings. Meanwhile, she often either says things in a way that hurts him because of her dialect, or lets important misunderstandings pile up without properly clearing them up herself.

So when the message becomes “he needs to be more open,” it feels frustrating because… he already is. Or at least, he’s been trying way harder than she has.

The ring, the school, the promises, other people constantly telling him he doesn’t deserve her. All of that keeps falling on him to endure, understand, or fix. That’s why it rubbed me the wrong way. It’s not that I think she meant badly there, but the relationship still feels very one-sided in terms of emotional effort, whe know what she fells, he does not. He's not omniscient.

Hopefully, this also leads to her learning to be more open and honest with her feelings too, instead of making Sorata carry that responsibility almost entirely by himself.

And by the way, he's once again putting all the effort alone, with the school thing.

part of me knows it'd be bad storytelling, especially this far in, but

I almost want someone to come along and become a rival for Miyuki, specifically. We're way too late into the series for it to feel like anything other than a forced roadblock to essentially coerce Miyuki into acting, but it's one of those times where a girl who actually proactively likes and pursues Sorata would do wonders to make Miyuki act.

Like...someone who is direct and clear with her feelings toward Sorata, who doesn't mince words or get embarrassed, and effectively does all of the things Miyuki can't or refuses to do when it comes to her own feelings for him. A diametric opposite, who does it in front of Miyuki, so that she can see exactly what she's been doing wrong this whole time.
Sorata doesn't even have to seriously consider the rival girl; it would entirely be for the sake of Miyuki.

And again--I realize it'd be bad writing. Bad for the place we're at in the story; bad for the lack of build-up that would be required to introduce someone that invested in getting Sorata, when they'd be appearing at the 11th hour; bad because it shouldn't be necessary in the first place.
But I am just struggling to see what Miyuki can do to clear this hurdle she has over being unable to emote toward him in an honest way, when she's had this problem since childhood and has seemingly made no real effort to work on it, up until this point. We even have that fortune that Merry gave her, that feels like the biggest plot device possible to scream out "JUST TALK TO HIM AND BE HONEST", and she's still not doing it. I know it'll happen, but I can't help but feel like it'll seemingly be 'too little/too late', and we and Sorata will just have to accept and be happy that it happens at all.

I guess we'll have to see what the author does with the second half of the chapter and forward.

 

[Genzerum]

I've dropped it after chapter 1, knowing that this series is farming only on miscommunication and because I knew it'll farm on it for a looooong ass time.
Now it was recommended to me, I read the chapter and my predictions were on point - years of miscommunication farming. Have fun reading another 20 chapters of the same thing, with rushed ending and horrible time skip