Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 45 - Wandering Through The Night

[story645]

listen to her tell them the whole plot of this manga. They even start making comments about it.

I'm curious why their take was that Hikari stole Yami's boyfriend - like did she tell it straight or the version where she was the victim?

their oshi willingly admits she's the cause of all the problems.

Does she though? She only says that Yuu and Hikari aren't at fault. That's not the same as her taking ownership - especially since the conclusion the guys came to from her story was that she wasn't at fault. Which granted could just be them trying to butter her up b/c they want to sleep w/ her.

 

[mgRdr]

Which granted could just be them trying to butter her up b/c they want to sleep w/ her.

Such considerate gentlemen! Were they gonna take turns or go at it all at once?

 

[Catbowl]

This chapter really didn't omit much from the novel version, AFAICT; just some tidbits of extra narration. That's about par for the course. It's nothing like the previous chapter (44) where half of the novel version got cut, including a very important bit at the end.

 

[Alzu]

I'm just waiting for the next Yami crash out, and the Yami defense Force blaming Yuu for this.

 

[Catbowl]

Next chapter is gonna be in 8 weeks time too instead of the usual 4 lol

(it's real)

Aaaaagh. All I can do is look forward to whatever special chapter they do for C107 leaking out later, I guess.

 

[HellJester]

I'm curious why their take was that Hikari stole Yami's boyfriend - like did she tell it straight or the version where she was the victim?


Does she though? She only says that Yuu and Hikari aren't at fault. That's not the same as her taking ownership - especially since the conclusion the guys came to from her story was that she wasn't at fault. Which granted could just be them trying to butter her up b/c they want to sleep w/ her.

I think Yami told them the straight version. She doesn't want people's pity - she wants everyone to see her the way she sees herself - as worthless. She's not going to embellish the story to make herself look like a victim - she wants everyone to hate her the way she hates herself.

The two guys are going to say whatever they can to get in her pants. One of them assumes Yami is looking for sympathy so they purposefully state the narrative that Hikari stole Yuu in the hopes that it will get them in Yami's good graces. They even say "That's why we thought we'd comfort you and all..." They were hoping that by making someone other than Yami at fault, she'd be comforted and more likely to sleep with them.

Yami stating Yuu and Hikari aren't at fault implies that there is a fault. While she doesn't explicitly state it, I would argue that Yami believes the fault lies with her. It fits her current narrative that she's unredeemable and deserves the bad things occurring in her life. With the way she's spiraling, I doubt she has the ability to forgive herself and the ability to state that she wasn't at fault so I can only interpret her comment as laying all the fault on herself. *Edited this last sentence to make more sense.

This chapter really didn't omit much from the novel version, AFAICT; just some tidbits of extra narration. That's about par for the course. It's nothing like the previous chapter (44) where half of the novel version got cut, including a very important bit at the end.

It cuts out a bit. Yami mentions her routine but leaves out her mother and how she's simultaneously avoiding her and also arguing with her every day. That's important as Yami's relationship with her only living relative is a huge part of what's wrong in her life.

Yami also mentions she's not doing things she used to view as normal - going to class, chatting with friends, going out on weekends - she calls them out as student things then corrects herself and says "normal human things." She's distancing herself in the novel from what a normal human would do. It fits her narrative that there's something wrong with her and she doesn't deserve what normal people deserve.

She goes into further detail about how she's been going out at night and usually has to fend off multiple groups. We get more insight into her state of mind - she mentions that you can't even call what she's doing as living.

I feel it's a huge deal that she mentions in the novel that she has enough money to live for decades along with a place to live, a warm bed and everything she could need except something that could actually fill her heart.

 

[John_Smith10]

This is as pitiful as it is pathetic to watch.

I wonder how long it's going to take her to realize staring at people's houses isn't some esoteric open sesame call that'll make them notice you.

She probably knows that but keeps going on this dumb routine while also somehow hoping they'll notice her.

I do feel a tad bit of sympathy for her, but that gets countered with my fill of the woe is me shtick that she's adopted over the years.

I'm curious to see what exactly happens in the future.

 

[GennArc]

My translation of the chapter might not be 100% accurate but it gave me the following:

This

When that happens, I bite them as hard as I can, or grab a rock and swing it—
Barely escaping by a hair’s breadth.

is a part of why I'm saying it's not the goal. She is wandering around and she is okay with confrontations, but getting hurt is not her goal.

 

[peortega1]

I think Yami told them the straight version. She doesn't want people's pity - she wants everyone to see her the way she sees herself - as worthless. She's not going to embellish the story to make herself look like a victim - she wants everyone to hate her the way she hates herself.

I mean, technically is true. Yami gave permission to Hikari to date her ex-boyfriend. Technically the homewrecker cat here is Hikari, not Yami. Hikari is who came late, not Yami.
I suppose this is other hint about how in any normal romcom Ayami would be the heroine and Hikari the loser childhood friend, but we have seen all this from the eyes of Hikari and, to be fair, from the strange obsession of Yuu for her, very similar to the obsession of Tomoya with Eriri in Saekano -and how he treated Megumi, the titualr FMC, basically as a substitute of Eriri who would make for him the things Eriri denied to do it-.
And me being agree with Yami doesn´t deserving the redemption, I think Maruto will do Yuu and Hikari together will save her again.

 

[peortega1]

I'm just waiting for the next Yami crash out, and the Yami defense Force blaming Yuu for this.

I thought was mainly the Hikari defense Force who blamed Yuu for everything. Yami fanboys/fangirls have very difficult blame Yuu when Yami herself exonerates him from any fault, during her crashdown in chapter 40.

This chapter really didn't omit much from the novel version, AFAICT; just some tidbits of extra narration. That's about par for the course. It's nothing like the previous chapter (44) where half of the novel version got cut, including a very important bit at the end.

Because Yom despises Hikari, and, IMO, with reason. This is the reason why always, from the chapter 1 of the manga, Hikari manga chapters were so ridicuously shorter and omitting so important content from the novel about Hikari -and Yuu, for certain-
Yom probably hates Hikari even more Maruto does

That's another thing pissing me off about this manga. We used to have long chapters with a ton of shit happening that led to lengthy discussions that went on long enough that sometimes they kept going even after the next chapter came out.
Now we have next to nothing to talk about.

This reforces the idea of Maruto seems didn´t have real ideas of what to do after the cultural festival catastrophe. Right now he seems more interested in the past relationship of Yuu and Yami, than advance towards the future. And this is the reason why all those chapters are very so unconclusive and ambiguous, with the situation temporally paralyzed in a dead point. Probably this is the reason why we passed to Haru PoV just after the hiatus.

 

[peortega1]

This

is a part of why I'm saying it's not the goal. She is wandering around and she is okay with confrontations, but getting hurt is not her goal.

I mean, Yami was always thus. She likes play with fire, but she believes she never will burn and cries bitterly when she effectively ends burned. This was literally all the leitmotiv behind her relationship with Yuu and her worst moments with Hikari -like the dirty old man "prank"-.
Probably her only reason to live right now is feel the adrenaline to escape by a hair’s breadth from the danger. Ayami definitely evokes the Broken Rooftop Kamiya in this chapter very strongly
Definitely this Ayami evokes Kamiya much more than Ayami saying to Hikari "tie him with your body" (that was so awful, disgusting and OOC even for the worst Yami).

 

[story645]

She's not going to embellish the story to make herself look like a victim - she wants everyone to hate her the way she hates herself.

She can avoid ownership and also not be the victim; there's a straight version of the story where she omits the parts that are her fault - like kissing Yuu knowing Hikari was there or the showing up knowing Yuu would be there or that she knew the link between Yuu and Hikari. Basically giving them the version Yuu gave Haru, the one that leads Haru to conclude "it was nobody's fault".

Which, I don't think Aya cares if people she doesn't know hate her. So far, the times the reader has seen her really dig in on getting someone to hate her - the ghosting, the prank, the crash out, the fight with Hikari - have been tests to see if the person really loves her. (I'd honestly put the divorce here too since her mom is supposed to love her).
That's why Hikari and Yuu are her rescuers/saviors - they show her that they think she's worth something. That's why after she pushes them away, she hangs around like a damsal waiting for her knight. Why after she ghosted Yuu she waited at the train station hoping he'd find her. Why she waited in the classroom for Hikari after the kiss. Why now she's waiting at the train station for them to find her.

ETA: Running on this thread, if she was intending to get the guys to hate her, then then taking her side should endear them to her.

 

[peortega1]

Her mom has been written as the sterotypical bad manga mom - self absorbed, neglectful, dives hard into romantic relationships where she gets all clingy. Like fighting w/ her daughter is probably the distraction for being single.

Yuuko Touma (White Album 2) sends her regards.

So far, the times the reader has seen her really dig in on getting someone to hate her - the ghosting, the prank, the crash out, the fight with Hikari - have been tests to see if the person really loves her

You forgot the ED episode in the love hotel, her only one dig against Yuu. Precisely she could test there Yuu was not a lusty selfish boy and really loved (and desired) her, one of the main reasons why she accepts being in love with Yuu in the station is how Yuu puts love and romance over his -real and existent- sexual desires.

She can avoid ownership and also not be the victim; there's a straight version of the story where she omits the parts that are her fault - like kissing Yuu knowing Hikari was there or the showing up knowing Yuu would be there or that she knew the link between Yuu and Hikari. Basically giving them the version Yuu gave Haru, the one that leads Haru to conclude "it was nobody's fault"

Shit, here we going again, it was me saying it and you couldn´t resist the temptation of blame Yuu of something
I mean, Yuu probably said Haru about Yami knowing he was originally in love with Hikari, this is the reason why Haru thinks Yuu and Yami were licking the wounds mutually. And Yuu knows Yami already knew about "Taa-kun" being him, this is the reason why Haru and Yuki realize why Yami changed so drastically after Hikari´s Carnival date, when Yuu said to them.
Also, Yami didn´t know Yuu would be in the classroom. She was there precisely as an attempt to avoid him and an effort to sacrifice her own feelings for Hikari. She was waiting Hikari, not Yuu.
But yes, this is useless...
PS. After say all this, I will recognize, at least, Yami really is still waiting unconditional love from Yuu and Hikari, even if she knows very well she is unworthy from that love.

 

[mug3n]

I'm curious why their take was that Hikari stole Yami's boyfriend - like did she tell it straight or the version where she was the victim?

I would like to know who these people were and why they know that. Is she really going into places saying "Hello, I'm Yami McAngst and my ex and my best friend have something going on now"?

I knew there were things left out of the manga, but it's reaching a point it cannot stand as its own product, it's getting pretty confusing.

 

[story645]

was me saying it and you couldn´t resist the temptation of blame Yuu of something

How did you get that I was blaming Yuu out of what I wrote?

I just intended to point out that the version of events Yuu gave to Haru paints a better picture of Aya than Aya's would b/c Yuu doesn't know that Aya knew Hikari saw them & Yuu doesn't know that Aya knew he'd be at school & Yuu doesn't know how long Aya's known that Hikari is the girl he likes (like you point out, Haru is the one who's figured out the timeline b/c of the carnival, Yuu would have had no way to observe a difference in Aya). ETA: legit, wasn't holding his ignorance against him.

My sentence was structured poorly, but Aya could also omit that she knew about the relationship between Yuu and Hikari or that she knew that Yuu liked someone else when she first made a move for him. All of which is to say that Aya could easily give a "true" version of events where there's no bad guy.

 

[peortega1]

How did you get that I was blaming Yuu out of what I wrote?

Because this

My sentence was structured poorly

Thanks for admit it

I just intended to point out that the version of events Yuu gave to Haru paints a better picture of Aya than Aya's would b/c Yuu doesn't know that Aya knew Hikari saw them & Yuu doesn't know that Aya knew he'd be at school & Yuu doesn't know how long Aya's known that Hikari is the girl he likes (like you point out, Haru is the one who's figured out the timeline b/c of the carnival, Yuu would have had no way to observe a difference in Aya). ETA: legit, wasn't holding his ignorance against him.

Yuu knew because Yami herself said to him during their initial dialogues in chapter 40, Yami says to Yuu she already knew "from a little time ago" he was "Taa-kun" and the "boyfriend" of Hikari, even if, of course, he doesn´t figure out the correct timeline.
Right now, the things Yami could have omitted are things who Hikari nor Yuu (and probably nobody more either) doesn´t know, and maybe they will never learn about them.

Yami knew that Yuu liked someone else when she first made a move for him

I mean, "I helped him to really fell in love, got over his first crush, and left of simping for a childhood friend who didn´t reciprocate him" (and again, this is the only one thing Hikari didn´t try to deny in her confrontation with Yami) is probably one of the best things Ayami ever did and probably those boys would have agree with her in that point.
Other thing, to be fair, is Yami securely never said to nobody her original intent when she carried Yuu to the love hotel was "I want to corrupt and destroy this innocent child", even if, again, that was only one of her tsundere deviations to deny she was starting for feel something for Yuu.

All of which is to say that Aya could easily give a "true" version of events that painted her in a more sympathetic light.

I mean, Ayami is definitely a character who gains a lot when we don´t have access to her edgy thoughts (thoughts are not entirely reliable of her real emotions because she is a tsundere, to be fair), as we could see in Hikari and Yuu PoVs. This definitely would explain why Kamiya in Shikimori-san, being a similar character, is always seen from the point of view of the MC Yuu Izumi, the FMC Miyako Shikimori or her best friend Kyou Nekozaki -one of the base characters behind Hikari-. The only brief glimpses from Kamiya inner mind definitely are very dark and worthy of Ayami.

 

[MasterPannya]

Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

 

[GennArc]

I would like to know who these people were and why they know that. Is she really going into places saying "Hello, I'm Yami McAngst and my ex and my best friend have something going on now"?

I knew there were things left out of the manga, but it's reaching a point it cannot stand as its own product, it's getting pretty confusing.

Yep, it was in the novel version.
I wouldn't say it's a crucial thing to miss this time, unlike what Yom did in the previous chapter. But it's still annoying since it makes it tougher to discuss.
OTOH, we got two extra manga-only chapters: 2 weeks ago and today. Hopefully @EijiRin will get to them eventually, though I hate to bother him.

 

[HellJester]

I would like to know who these people were and why they know that. Is she really going into places saying "Hello, I'm Yami McAngst and my ex and my best friend have something going on now"?

I knew there were things left out of the manga, but it's reaching a point it cannot stand as its own product, it's getting pretty confusing.

Actually, I found that part of this chapter to be unintentionally hilarious. The time skip from page 1 to 2 is great. Those poor guys, just trying to get in her pants, set off a landmine by asking her to spill her guts.

We'll never know how long the time skip was (I'm hoping at least 10 minutes). Those guys must be desperate if they stood there listening to Yami rant. They even provided their opinion on the whole thing.

 

[vicvdh]

Waiting 2 months for the next chapter is crazy