Kimi no Love o Misetekure! - Vol. 1 Ch. 6

[kaezeribato]

My point is that she should have turned him down clearly.

She did, she said no... And then added that she loved someone who knew how to draw, knowing full well that he was trash at drawing, meaning that she doubled down on telling him no.
You cant be more clear than saying "'i'm not interested and on top of this you dont even fit any of my criteria"...

 

[canalnoodle]

Author draw a love triangle and everyone hate the only character we barely know anythings about for the sole reason that it's a girl.

The gaslight is strong.

 

[Monn12]

She did, she said no... And then added that she loved someone who knew how to draw, knowing full well that he was trash at drawing, meaning that she doubled down on telling him no.
You cant be more clear than saying "'i'm not interested and on top of this you dont even fit any of my criteria"...

Literally what she told in chapter 1:
Thank you, but i'm so sorry, it's not that i hate you but I'm only interested in people who can draw.

Doubled down? This is the most vague rejection i heard in a long time with a ray of hope for MC. Please improve your reading comprehension or re-read chapters if you are in doubt.........

 

[kaezeribato]

Literally what she told in chapter 1:
Thank you, but i'm so sorry, it's not that i hate you but I'm only interested in people who can draw.

Doubled down? This is the most vague rejection i heard in a long time with a ray of hope for MC. Please improve your reading comprehension or re-read chapters if you are in doubt.........

She literaly told the dude she was not intrested... How the fuck can anyone be so dumb that he would think that someone would reject a person they love JUST because they cant draw...
If someone pull some bullshit to turn you down it's obvious they dont want to be with you, there is no need to be a genius to understand something this simple.

 

[Monn12]

She literaly told the dude she was not intrested... How the fuck can anyone be so dumb that he would think that someone would reject a person they love JUST because they cant draw...
If someone pull some bullshit to turn you down it's obvious they dont want to be with you, there is no need to be a genius to understand something this simple.

Think from a context of a guy aged 16-17, with no prior experience in women. Normally after hearing a bs reason like hers adults would understand, but adults also communicate usually more openly. In my experience only during my school years i've meet shallow women like that (and they were a minority)
In my adult life somehow women could convey rejecting much better (not all of course). Any women convey rejections normally, for example: I'm already taken, Not interested, not my type and etc.
Those vague rejections are the bane of womankind, so many misunderstandings happened because of that, so many tragic things happened because of that.

 

[Orangechrisy]

Think from a context of a guy aged 16-17, with no prior experience in women. Normally after hearing a bs reason like hers adults would understand, but adults also communicate usually more openly. In my experience only during my school years i've meet shallow women like that (and they were a minority)

It feels real weird to call teen girls shallow for not rejecting guys perfectly. Instead of thinking from the context of a guy aged 16-17 with no prior experience with women, why not think from the context of a girl aged 16-17 with no prior experience with men? Why should she have to take into account how inexperienced the guy is at being rejected when she's the one put on the spot already?

In my adult life somehow women could convey rejecting much better (not all of course). Any women convey rejections normally, for example: I'm already taken, Not interested, not my type and etc.

She did quite literally say he's not her type though. Like this would be similar if she said her type was someone with muscles, its a clear rejection even if it maybe implies if the guy got muscles then he would have a chance. Maybe she could've just said that he's not her type, but she's an inexperienced teen who was suddenly confessed to, and that's okay.

Those vague rejections are the bane of womankind, so many misunderstandings happened because of that, so many tragic things happened because of that.

Why are these misunderstandings and "tragic things" the fault of the women not being 100% clear? Why aren't they the fault of the men who misunderstand them or the men who do the "tragic things"? Like, it's a well known thing that even when women are clear in their rejection men can still pursue them anyways. Why blame the women in these instances?

 

[Monn12]

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Spoiler: First quote

1) I agree that i might have taken not the best word i.e. "shallow". But:
1.
of little depth.
"serve the noodles in a shallow bowl


2.
not exhibiting, requiring, or capable of serious thought.
"a shallow analysis of contemporary society". I meant that she lacked any will or maybe even ability to analyze. As for the guy....I'm not saying he is any good, i've just been in his shoes and had some friends like him who have a hard time understanding rejections. For example there men who can't even take clear rejections from women and still pester them (hate them the most, but in world of "catching" a girl it's still a tactic though a scummy one but some women actually like it (these women are enemies to both since they enable this behaviour).

Now, that i cleared that up. It's not even about boys and girls, any person can clearly reject someone. Some girls shallow girls use this as a tactic, giving unclear rejections to leave those guys some hope so that they would "ORBIT" them. If stars align she can always call them up and they will be ready to date them. Some are using this for shallowness other due to their malicious nature and some due to stupidity.

Spoiler: Second quote

2) C'mon, inexperience can be used as an excuse for other things. For example in my early 20's i accidentally told a girl i don't have a girl. Damn f*cking mistake, that almost cost me my job. She was obsessive and could not take rejections normally when she knew i had on one. That was inexperience, i didn't calculate being honest about rather mundane thing could backfire. So now regardless of my situation i tell 2 things 1) I'm taken 2) Not my type. Usually that hammers down any advances.
As for her? C'mon first thought normal inexperienced human should have is being honest.

Perhaps you are a girl and you understand and empathize with the girl due to being the same. And in my experience many girls and women (though to a lesser extent). Can't fucking say things straight, instead of rejecting giving vague rejections or fake numbers and etc.
From a guys perspective vagueness can be seen as a challenge. I like strong guys <-- Ok, intensive training begins. Basically speaking the best thing is to clearly reject after that depending on how weak you are you can indulge a prick with an answer of "why?" (you don't have any obligation to tell). But her rejection was clearly vague. She told him she likes someone who could drawn. Couldn't she say: I already have someone other on my mind?

Girl(or boy), stop defending stupid decisions that author made.

Spoiler: Third quote

3) I'm not trying to start gender fights here. I'm saying it's the almost strictly a WOMEN PROBLEM. Men have also problematic traits for example having a hard time giving up. In both genders we can exhibit similar things but men have men exclusive BANES and so do women. Right now this story touched upon WOMEN PROBLEMS.

I'm not trying to bash on women, but currently here we talk about them due to vagueness, which incidentally is common trait among women. IF i were to read shoujo or josei i would also get pissed on stupid traits of men (they are usually either super stoic, predatory or outright autistic). In shounen or seinen male leads are usually hyper perverted, utterly dense or have heart monitor like intelligence.

Spoiler: On topic but off topic

Why the fuck did you take it personally as an attack on women-kind? Why is west so up their asses that they think in terms us and them when thinking about genders?(by the way part of so-called western world) I honestly don't understand that. If you want we can talk about men being the toxic and problematic OK, we can talk about that, i'm happy to indulge.
But it's kinda silly when i point a girls problem then instead of understanding it or answering it we redirect it to boys. So instead of having some resolution we increase the tension. One thing at a time.

Believe me the portrayal of male's in japanese comics for the last 10 years was absolutely horrid. And i feel for japanese women having herbivore men epidemic, they still seek more masculine men if study and interviews are correct whilst men are too freaking passive and it spills in their manga too. I would rather see a hyper perverted moron than a wishy washy boy who sucks out any positive energy due to his low self-esteem (just by reading i feel it being sucked out).

P.S. Sorry for the long reply but I believe that in order to have normal understanding we need more words to be written. I wish you to understand where i'm coming form and by the same analogue i wish to see the same reply to understand you and your thoughts. Any swear words that you may see or exclamations hold 0 emotions, they are just my form of expression. I need to write this because some people take offense to my words and think that i'm some raging typester who sits here with face full of red rage and types bad things.

 

[Orangechrisy]

also to decrease space

I get where you're coming from, though if anyone's starting a gender fight it is you fwiw. You made a comment deriding how a teen girl rejected a guy (despite her seemingly being honest, the way things are looking it does seem like her type literally is people who draw well, her interest in said guy have been growing as he's gotten better at drawing), and then made that a wider case of a problem for women in general. And like, you did say that it is a major problem for women that they are vague and that it causes misunderstandings and "tragic things", which, uh, sure sounds like you were saying men misunderstanding women's rejections and then committing sexual assault is the fault of the women, really hard to read that any other way. My whole comment was just, don't victim blame women for men not taking rejections as rejections, and I hope that's understandable.

Which relatedly:

And in my experience many girls and women (though to a lesser extent). Can't fucking say things straight, instead of rejecting giving vague rejections or fake numbers and etc.

You do know why women do that right? Like, vague rejections and fake numbers are given specifically as a reaction to men reacting terribly to being rejected. And of course I'm not saying all men, or all women, or anything, but like, especially the fake number thing, that's entirely to prevent the rejected man from reacting terribly immediately, and to then prevent potential harassing texts and calls later. She could give a clearer rejection, and for a lot of guys that would work, but those same guys would also accept they were rejected once they realized it was a fake number, while for the other guys they might more aggressively insist or even get violent after the initial rejection, and giving a fake number avoids that while also avoiding any inevitable digital harassment. So I do just hope you realize that this "women specific bane" is, in many cases, a product of the "men specific banes".


Now, I also really don't know why you brought up "the west" there, that's weird imo. It's not like any of this is exclusive to the west, neither of our thoughts so far are. Though I will note that Japan's social culture is a lot more reliant on, well, vagueness, on things being implied, including in rejections. Which to be fair, isn't good, for anyone involved. Anyways hope that's all cleared up, have a good day or night or whatever.