Ochinai Yogore wo Boku wa Nanto Yobeba Yokatta noka - Ch. 17

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Reducing her to an enabler isn’t a great read of the situation imo, she’s someone who cares about him and actively worked to befriend him despite his phobia alienating his other peers. As adults (surely there are no children on this forum, r-right) we can see that her behavior veers into enabling, but she has no way of knowing that at her age, especially given that none of the adults seem to take the situation very seriously. She is being caring and supportive in the way she knows how to be.
I mean her and Nishino are the same age. Nishino is considerate of it, but also makes strides to help him with it. Be it intentional or not.

I get what you are saying, but I don't get this attachment that people seem to have for a character that just got introduced like 3 chapters ago, and also her confessing right there while she knew he was on the phone with her is kind of a shitty thing to do. It doesn't matter if its a rejection or acceptance its going to make it super awkward. It also kinda ruins the plans he made with Nishino as well.

This chapter kinda just makes it feel like last chapter didn't even happen. She seemed reassured that he would remain her friend. They had fun, but then she brings up next year and he said he wanted to go next year as well. Then she looked downcast. She has been around for 3 ish chapters now, and somehow regressed right back to the previous chapter.

She seemed necessary for getting a look into his past, but the things that have happened this chapter just feel so unnecessary.
 
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I don't get this attachment that people seem to have for a character that just got introduced like 3 chapters ago
She seemed necessary for getting a look into his past, but the things that have happened this chapter just feel so unnecessary.

You answered your own question.

People are upset because author teleported this flashback character into the present just to get rejected and spur on the MC to progress with the real love interest.

He even interrupted her confession first as a bonus trope - readers love that right?
 
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Well well well. Looks like there is no longer a "maybe its not like that" that is have been commenting. Even still, I dont really understand why people are so upset about her getting rejected soon. She has been a character for all of 3 chapters. We haven't even gotten to know her, and the small amount we do know about her is that she just enables his phobia instead of trying to help him overcome it.
That’s a seriously messed up take on relationships. Do you really think our germaphobe MC would have been more emotionally healthy had he not had losing heroine sticking by him all those years? Without that relationship he might have even lacked the social skills to somewhat normally talk to fmc. Without either of the two love interests, MC could have easily grown to be an emotional basket case.
Sometimes (way too often) in life you can do everything right and still come out on the ‘losing‘ end. Sometimes it makes you a better person—I hope that is the way the author writes the losing heroine.
 
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Well well well. Looks like there is no longer a "maybe its not like that" that is have been commenting. Even still, I dont really understand why people are so upset about her getting rejected soon. She has been a character for all of 3 chapters. We haven't even gotten to know her, and the small amount we do know about her is that she just enables his phobia instead of trying to help him overcome it.
People get hung up on wanting childhood friends or even just wanting to the main girl to lose regardless of what makes sense narrative-wise.
 
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I am not too bothered if her confession gets rejected.

There are thousands of losing heroines out there, all of whom have thrown in everything they have got to create opportunities for themselves, make themselves shine the brightest in front of the MC, muster up for a confession, and still get rejected because they are the designated losers. Such is the cruel fate of losing heroines in romcoms whose role is only to make the main heroine shine brighter and to kick things to a higher gear.

And that is a reason why 1:1 relationships has gotten more popular these days compared to harems.

At least for this story, this happens earlier than later, and maybe she can get a soft landing where she can remain as a friend, just not a lover.
 
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That’s a seriously messed up take on relationships. Do you really think our germaphobe MC would have been more emotionally healthy had he not had losing heroine sticking by him all those years? Without that relationship he might have even lacked the social skills to somewhat normally talk to fmc. Without either of the two love interests, MC could have easily grown to be an emotional basket case.
Sometimes (way too often) in life you can do everything right and still come out on the ‘losing‘ end. Sometimes it makes you a better person—I hope that is the way the author writes the losing heroine.
I am not saying what she did is a bad thing. I am more so referring to people in the comments getting bent out of shape for someone who isn't helping him grow. Instead she is just enabling him. I never said what she was doing was a bad thing at all. I am saying what Nishino has done has been so much better for him. Its people's attachment to a character that has not done much that seems so off.

It rings as the average CHF shippers, and not people who actually care about whats best for him.

I just can't feel bad for her getting rejected soon because we have not gotten to know her at all. Minus what I pointed out.
 
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People get hung up on wanting childhood friends or even just wanting to the main girl to lose regardless of what makes sense narrative-wise.
Yeah I see it happen so often. Ive even had people blatantly admit that they ship chf regardless. People don't care about what makes sense. Ironically they claim to hate tropes, but are the ones who think about tropes the most.
 
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You and other ppl are so fussy since you can't handle a single misunderstanding for ONE single chapter and this one is justified on top of that. This chapter even brings up that Nishino doesn't know Nakayama's past school life so it makes sense she's surprised he's having a moment with his friends which she hasn't meet (yet) and also going to the festival with a (one) girl. Plus the fact that Nakayama said to his ex-classmate that he hasn't changed even if he knows something in this new school-life are being different; it's something we've seen all this time yet it's not publicly known within the story.

Of course I don't like it when they extend it to 20+ chapters and they realized it can solve it TALKING at the last moment. However sometimes it's good to have them either for plot forward or showing another side of the main couple. Whatever I'm interested in what direction this series will take and how both of them will (have to) address their dynamic.

Btw I apologize for any mistake in my speech since English is my second language. I used translation in some parts and others not.
Honestly this chapter just made a move that I didn't like at all, I think it's just a too quick way to bring up drama between the main heroine vs this ex-classmate like bro: THEY FUCKING DIDN'T MEET EACH OTHER YET. While I still appreciate that they introduced her in the early-game I overstimated how the pace works in this genre bcs right now there is a tendency that these mostly get to the plot points in less chapters and what how the second half of this chapter has dropped my respect of this new girl. It feels like i was getting the wrong idea of this girl not changing shifts (she implied she'll let Nakayama free when this festival ends) when the leads finally agrees a time to meet each other? plus they pull out the card of overhearing conversations on top of that.
 
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I mean her and Nishino are the same age. Nishino is considerate of it, but also makes strides to help him with it. Be it intentional or not.

I get what you are saying, but I don't get this attachment that people seem to have for a character that just got introduced like 3 chapters ago, and also her confessing right there while she knew he was on the phone with her is kind of a shitty thing to do. It doesn't matter if its a rejection or acceptance its going to make it super awkward. It also kinda ruins the plans he made with Nishino as well.

This chapter kinda just makes it feel like last chapter didn't even happen. She seemed reassured that he would remain her friend. They had fun, but then she brings up next year and he said he wanted to go next year as well. Then she looked downcast. She has been around for 3 ish chapters now, and somehow regressed right back to the previous chapter.

She seemed necessary for getting a look into his past, but the things that have happened this chapter just feel so unnecessary.

I don't know if I'd classify Nishino as considerate of the MC, at least not until effectively the Beach Episode. She continuously got in his space, defaced his textbook, left food residue all over his desk, drooled on him, and would just up and touch him when he clearly didn't want that contact, and everyone around them treated him like the villain when he pushed back.

Nishino is the narrative opposite of Tsuzuri: the latter is the MC's germaphobia being recognized and worked around, and the former is the MC's germaphobia being deemed 'wrong' and requiring change.

We're meant to like Nishino because the MC is "the other" in the setting, the one who's different and isn't conforming to what the rest of his peers think is "acceptable". The author made a point to indicate that the MC himself isn't satisfied with his own status quo, but that doesn't change the fact that he's expected to change for the sake of fitting in with everyone else, rather than being met halfway with compromises taking his germaphobia into consideration.
Tsuzuri at least made that effort to see him and meet him on his level when they were younger. And even then, MC could see how it was causing her to become isolated from the others in the class, because of how much he was pushed to the outside due to his compulsions. That was why he pushed her away and broke things off in the first place--because he cared about her social life being affected by him, and didn't want that.

Now, he's being pressured to change because "Nishino is the correct path to social acceptability"; the rub, though, is that we're shown the MC's own struggles, and thus we have come to sympathize with him. While it's correct that he should grow and try to find healthy middle ground with his compulsions and the way he interacts with others, Tsuzuri's approach was infinitely more considerate toward him specifically, whereas Nishino was just "I'm going to be messy around you and you'll have to change to deal with it if you want to be with me". Some people reject that sort of dynamic over the more harmonious iteration that Tsuzuri represents, and that is why I suspect there is the pushback that pervades this specific chapter thread.
 
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I did not ask for this.
I DID NOT ASK FOR THIS.
I DID NOT ASK FOR THIS.

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I DID NOT FUCKING ASK FOR THIS.

AND I STILL WANTED TO STRANGLE THE MC. OR THE AUTHOR. OR SOMEONE WHO SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO ADD A CHILDHOOD FRIEND JUST TO BREAK HER HEART 3 CHAPTERS LATER.
 
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Damn, I just read the last "Mousou Sensei" and so this is the second chapter tonight that ends with a sudden confession !!

(Excepted that this one is more dramatic than wholesome in this context !!)
 
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Nishino basically asked him out on a date, got rejected (because he had prior plans), and he's wondering why she might be upset. I'm glad bro realized his own feelings but he's pretty dense towards hers.
 

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