Oshiego-kun to wa Dekimasen - Ch. 13

[Eighty-six]

Using the term "rape" here is a strawman, because that's not what we're talking about. The issue is only consent

You can't divorce the matter of sexual assault/rape from a discussion of consent. I'm not strawmanning, either-- others in this thread that have alleged a lack of consent have simultaneously alleged assault (and invoked the idea of legal culpability) on account of that perception.

it's hard to read her statement (even with your alternative translation--that's an argument to be had between you and Danke) as anything but "go no further."

It certainly would be difficult to read it any other way if one 1) didn't read what was actually written (according to either my translation or Danke's), and 2) did not at all give even the slightest credence to the body language depicted by the art in a comic book.

Can we at least acknowledge that chapter 11 exists?

Maybe since you've seen the raws you know for a fact that it turns out differently, but at this point in time we in the audience don't know for certain what the shock represents

You could not MKULTRA me into believing this for any length of time.

and MC is even worse off, since he wouldn't be in a position to see her thoughts in the slightest.

Shou has eyes, ears, and at least some ability to read the room.

All this to say that MC is culpable from a moral perspective, since he's almost as guilty with his actions as his friend.

Almost as--

...we are not reading the same manga.

 

[anontastic]

This series had my curiosity, but now it has my attention.

 

[zHIST]

What in the hell are--

Girls wearing clothing in public is isn't even remotely analogous to two parties, with mutual history, in a private room, becoming visibly and mutually uncontrollably sexually aroused on account of the other.

What are we even talking about? The only thing she said prior to the kiss was "please don't tempt me anymore". Tempt him how? By existing? By speaking candidly about his feelings?

Two chapters ago, she was talking about how he's like a cake being flaunted in front of her that she wants a piece of but keeps holding herself back from on account of a nebulous "they".

She's spent this entire story trying to displace and deflect from her enamourment through these rationalizations she quickly burned through-- this chapter was the last gasp of that.

"But she didn't cons--" Look at her. Listen to her. She got a shock straight from her brain, to her chest, to her ovaries.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me accuse people of jumping chapters just so they can talk on the most current thing. Straight up absorbing the narrative like sheet metal soaking up water in a desert.

This is manga readers to whom you're trying to explain how relationships work. My mate, they'd make romcom MCs look like sane people if you ever saw them interacting with a living woman.

 

[wallsg]

This is manga readers to whom you're trying to explain how relationships work. My mate, they'd make romcom MCs look like sane people if you ever saw them interacting with a living woman.

So, what if there was a woman that I liked and she told me that she didn't want to go any farther and to please stop. Would it be OK for me to say No Chance, grab her hand to move it out of the way, and then kiss her? Just because she was acting horny?

(Edit: Interesting that Eighty-Six tagged me with "dumb". My wife of 34 years agrees with me.)

 

[Sagara-Sousuke]

It's breeding time!

 

[jubuttib]

Fuckin finally

Finally? 13 chapters in? This is fucking Tesla Plaid mode level progress!

(Top Fuel dragster is still reserved to TsureDzure Children, where you get a new confirmed couple every two-three chapters on average...)

 

[ayka06]

I literally just skimmed (enough to know the overall feel of) the last 3 chapters including this..
coz I feel kinda uncomfortable 😖

 

[Widi70kg]

Let's go boi✊️

 

[wallsg]

Well that was a fuckcoaster of a ride to get to that kiss huh? He really was breaking down cause he saw another naked body besides his sensei and she just poked him a bit much.

Granted, not enough where you have to explain that you snuck in her room and busted one out to her bra. Fucking hilarious to the idea that this started with him seeing tongue and the body responds : "yoo what that TONGUE do tho?" Let's see how good or bad this ends here.

Thanks for the chapter.

fire chapter but getting an erection from looking at someones tongue got me rolling bruh ☠️☠️

If you look at Chapter 2 Pages 3 & 4 I think you may be able to see how a young boy with his first crush may have bonered there...

 

[Hikineet]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[potatoawards]

What in the hell are--

Girls wearing clothing in public isn't even remotely analogous to two parties, with mutual history, in a private room, becoming visibly and mutually uncontrollably sexually aroused on account of the other.

What are we even talking about? The only thing she said prior to the kiss was "please don't tempt me anymore". Tempt him how? By existing? By speaking candidly about his feelings?

Two chapters ago, she was talking about how he's like a cake being flaunted in front of her that she wants a piece of but keeps holding herself back from on account of a nebulous "they".

She's spent this entire story trying to displace and deflect from her enamourment through these rationalizations she quickly burned through-- this chapter was the last gasp of that.

"But she didn't cons--" Look at her. Listen to her. She got a shock straight from her brain, to her chest, to her ovaries.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me accuse people of jumping chapters just so they can talk on the most current thing. Straight up absorbing the narrative like sheet metal soaking up water in a desert.

What the readers see =/= what the character see
What the readers read =/= what the character listens

This is a story not a picture book

 

[potatoawards]

There are actually people in this thread who believe this. That actually think they need signed forms before having sexual contact. Either because they were indoctrinated that way, or out of fear of reprisal.

But don't take my word for it. Just look at the replacement fertility birth rates / single individuals of childbearing age / age of first marriage demographics.

• https://www.populationpyramid.net/japan/2022/
• https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ate-dropped-fresh-record-low-2023-2024-02-28/
• https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/births-by-age-of-mother?time=1960..latest&country=~JPN

We're really going to have to fix this sort of runaway self-destructive cultural activism, or else open up migration. Countries existences are literally hinging on it.

You're the most disgusting person to ever set foot in this blog to just trivialize intimacy through demographic data

 

[Eighty-six]

What the readers see =/= what the character see
What the readers read =/= what the character listens

The only thing I referred to that was not obviously perceived by Shou was a metaphor for sexual arousal expressly meant for the reader, so that they can understand the extent of Sensei's desire... beyond her obvious flustered state that Shou can clearly see and hear.

This is a story not a picture book

This is a comic bo--

Was this supposed to be a joke...?

---

The wacky part is, if Shou actually got up and left after Sensei gave that non-refusal (because, remember, "don't tempt me any more than this" is in response to some pretty words Shou said while in seiza, with his hands on his own thighs-- the "temptation" is either his words or his existence in that room), we would be united in calling him Fumbler Supreme.

Instead, he reads the room, and somehow there's consternation from people who 1) magically forgot that this isn't even unusual in romance manga, and 2) magically did not know that couples and prospective couples do not consistently formally proposition kissing before actually going for it.

 

[Kushikime]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[MewOne]

Uhmnnn . . . No

 

[Wachtail]

So all this time, she was just horny and needed a little push huh?
Kinda makes sense to be honest, but doesn't really feel in line with the last few chapters.
Not that I really complain about it, I just hope it's not another cockblock... Just let them both be happy at some point damnit!
Thanks for the chapter!

 

[Xlis1]

 

[Kamimamimashita]

I’m sorry, but even my middle school self would find this hilarious. What guy in his teenage years is this taken aback that they get an erection for another girl? I can’t count how many times I was attracted to another girl while also being in a relationship (albeit a middle school relationship but u get the point). But that was it, simple attraction. I knew this too, admittedly I have a semi-high libido but even then I had the brain to know the difference between lust and love. If some girl exposed herself to me and I was in a relationship, I know I wouldn’t feel what this guy is feeling. I don’t know a man who would feel the same as this guy, even teenagers.

Honestly I don’t even feel guilty looking at another girl while in a relationship.
Sure I won’t do it as often as I would when single, but still I’d definitely see an attractive women and get a physical reaction. Happened to me in my teenage years too, never felt guilty.
To me, this just feels like some random female author’s self-insert or fantasy. I just cant take it seriously.

 

[ThatGuy_777]

Strange, but in a nice way.

 

[Gravitypull]

That's an absurd reduction of the circumstances, to the point that I originally questioned if you skipped chapters to get here.

Literally everything is different. Shou had no interest in Fujieda and made it clear, only for her to expose herself to him, forcing Shou to categorically reject her again.

Sensei-- who is only capable of deflecting, rather than rejecting Shou-- has a noticeably burgeoning romantic and sexual interest in him that she can barely suppress in their interactions (and has all but given up suppressing in her privacy). Like, look at her body language on the antepenultimate and penultimate pages of this chapter. Look at her verbal language. Tell me that's the same as what happened with Shou, with a straight face and pants not on fire.

Bro, that is still not consent what are you on about. Even if we can assume that she is into him, without a proper acknowledgement and confirmation of her feelings and that she wants to even pursue a romantic and/or sexual relationship with him (no, her body language is nowhere near enough, nor is that "tempt" line. Say that shit in front of a judge and that will still be considered sexual assault), it is still very much not okay. Yes, she might be developing romantic feelings for him, but she has not fully confirmed those feelings for herself. She is obviously a mess of emotions currently and for him to do that while she is in such an irrational state of mind is not okay. He forced himself on her, regardless of the feelings or emotions on either end.