Yeah, your argument is STILL stupid as hell, because my angle from the start was that this is bad even AS a wish fulfillment fantasy.
Your initial argument was literally
just "the writing is bad". Even if I supposed that your original two thoughts were connected, you
still didn't grasp the core of the work back then.
Writing that doesn't come off as stiff and artificial even at the most superficial glance?
Supposing your assessment is credible, how does this impede the purpose of the story?
Characters that behave even remotely like human beings (even conceding all sort of comedic and dramatic exaggerations) or AT least consistently with their previous selves from panel to panel?
Are you just realizing that yandere wish fulfillment is liable to preclude said yandere heroine(s) from behaving as human beings as opposed to avatars of lust and love? Mind you, I find the archetype fascinating (in all its varieties), but it doesn't take long to figure out that it's an inherently selfish fantasy that's ironically about a person that's selfish despite presenting as the opposite.
Also, see above.
A way to frame the "wish fulfillment" in a way that doesn't seem like a 12 years old with mild autism and limited connection to reality wrote it?
Why does it have to be "connected to reality"? What does that have to do with the apparent purposes of the narrative? If it was "connected to reality", we'd be looking at two women with BPD, and it's less likely that the intended readership wants to self-insert into a story about women with BPD. Also, see above.
Again, I'm not arguing that the story isn't bad-- I'm arguing that your criticism is
wasted on a story that never indicates to you that it wants to be anything more than naked wish fulfillment.
You're now insisting "it's bad even as wish fulfillment"...
but you're still evaluating it by things other than whether it fulfills wishes. Even what I'm now responding to just tacks the words "wish fulfillment" on, without actually addressing the matter-- the essence of the question is you feeling that this is written in a juvenile way.
Look at most of the people in this thread discussion or any other one for this work-- do you think
they care about what you're concerned about?
Of course not.
They certainly don't
disagree with you. They're not going to square up to defend the narrative and thematic quality of "What Happens When You Save Two Beautiful Sisters Who Hate Men Without Telling Them Your Name?".
But what do you see them talking about, overwhelmingly?
There are even explicit HENTAI out there that are written on more consistent logic and believable characters than this.
But it wouldn't matter if they weren't.
You don't consume 18+ material for the narrative. Such narratives and narrative contexts only "need" to create contexts that provoke fetishistic responses.
If you need to cut paper, a Swiss Army knife is great, but you're not any more deprived in that situation by only having a pair of scissors.
Other users already mentioned a bunch of examples of other "ecchi series" that flow way better (you dismissed them, incidentally--
I did more than "dismiss" them. I argued that the entire argument was coming from the wrong angle, and was responding to positions I neither took nor cared about.
You didn't ask for clarifications. You were just lashing out--
No, I was mocking you. I was having fun at your expense. And all things considered, it was very mild and perfunctory mockery that wouldn't have stuck so hard if you didn't feel the need to go to the lab to cook up 20 different ways to call me "stupid" in response.
With everything that's been said, I still don't think my original assumption was dishonest or otherwise misguided-- you
are imposing inappropriate critical standards on this work, demonstrably even when you claim that you're imposing appropriate ones.
But even taking at face value this new emergency reframing you are now attempting,
This is coming from the guy who keeps trying to say "the writing was bad" was actually "the writing was bad, even as a wish fulfillment fantasy".
This isn't an emergency reframing, by the way, and it isn't inherently about whether you have to prove yourself
to me. Anybody who makes an argument has a duty to establish why other people should care about what they're saying. That includes myself, which is why I expressed those principles using myself.
That's what an argument is for. Anything else is at best casual conversation, and at worst shouting
at a person.
girls made, I agree she should be shipped with the mc nothing in common is needed she just doesn't need to be a "jf-17 thunder"
