Otomege Sekai wa Mob ni Kibishii Sekai desu - Ch. 64 - Reality of the Kingdom

[Belkin]

Ask her hand I marriage, you fool!

 

[dsfargeg]

I'm no feminist, but this reasoning they have for weakening the nobles is incredibly sexist and rather offensive. It basically hinges on women being less capable at politics and power plays than men (which is flat out wrong) and how this would cause the power of the noble class to diminish. Maybe in wartime, yes, as it is still the men who fight in wars and hold the military power. But in peacetime, this makes zero sense.

...or I'm totally misunderstanding something, because sadly the chapter's explanation was incredibly badly phrased and I could only gather the above from the comments here.

Ah, yes, I see, women are better than men at politics and power plays, which is why historically every major civilization was ruled by women and men only took over in desperate times that generally preceded periods of severe decline with only a handful of exceptions. Makes perfect sense, that totally lines up with history.

Thank you for being yet another reminder that when someone starts a message with "I'm not X, but" what they're saying is "I am X and lying to you."

 

[Doutorfunga]

For people, like me, who are confused about the explanation then here is what a nice redditor surmised it as.


Thanks u/Tecotaco636 for the explanation & thanks for the translations.

Thanks for sharing. And also Holy Misogyny From The Author, Batman!

 

[DeusVult]

Dunno why but this might be inspired from real life

It is not too dissimilar from the system put in place by Ieyasu Tokugawa with the establishment of his Shogunate. He had usurped power from the Toyotomi Clan and he knew it. He also didn't want it happening to him. All the daimyos had to maintain a household in Edo and were required to spend every other year there as part of this system he had designed called sankin-kōtai. Nominally, it was to ensure good communications and relations between all parts of the realm, from the capital to the outer reaches. It also had a side effect of them spending large amounts of their tax wealth in the capital, thereby enriching the capital at the expense of the provinces without the need of a direct tax.

However, the real point was that when the lords left to spend their year in their own fief, their families were required to stay behind as what were effectively very politely and comfortably held hostages. As a result, no lord could rebel without losing his entire family. Furthermore, travel out of Edo Province was highly restricted and even peasants required strict permits and were subject to intense scrutiny to avoid family members being smuggled out on attempts to avoid reprisals in preparation for some planned act of defiance. As far as I've read, it was quite effective and was instrumental in their uninterrupted 265 years of rule.

 

[Doutorfunga]

Like many others, I also found the chapter very confusing so I went to read the LN. Here is the LN chapter:

https://imgur.com/a/f2lvhrf

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Thanks for the chapter!

More proof that all stupidity and nonsense in this chapter is the author himself's sole responsibility

 

[Slingerman]

I'm no feminist, but this reasoning they have for weakening the nobles is incredibly sexist and rather offensive. It basically hinges on women being less capable at politics and power plays than men (which is flat out wrong) and how this would cause the power of the noble class to diminish. Maybe in wartime, yes, as it is still the men who fight in wars and hold the military power. But in peacetime, this makes zero sense.

...or I'm totally misunderstanding something, because sadly the chapter's explanation was incredibly badly phrased and I could only gather the above from the comments here.

What you're missing, is that men still hold a monopoly on force. Female warriors are very rare in the setting (the Tough for Us alternate story has them show up to guard a villain).

 

[Jiel]

But as @equationx also mentions above, this "brainwashing" plan did not require any shift in power between the sexes. They could have "reeducated" the male heirs just as easily at the academy, and thus have the nobility spiral into decadence.

Well, as the Queen mentioned, after a long period of war there was a shortage of male noble heirs (high fatality rate).

Since most of these noble children were female, I guess they chose the option with the most influence?

 

[Nehona]

This honestly seems quite retarded. Sorry but I feel the author fumbled this one.
I won't comment on the whole male/female superiority or whatever. There's a lot of posts already and I don't want to enter that. I don't believe in any superiority anyway.

But: "let's make our ruling class completely incompetent so that we can substitute them!" is very retarded.
Because so many things can go wrong, and of course people that are in decline and worry about losing power would end up trying to rebel or defect or create all sort of problems.

And in fact NOBODY helped during this crisis, and the kingdom is STILL a complete mess of horrible nobles

You could have tried to better educate the nobles and that would have been better. Worst case scenario, you still get rebellions and problems. Bets case scenario, you get less problems.

Literally if Leon was not here, this nation would not exist anymore. THAT is how much the royals fucked themselves up. The only reason the nation survived is that Leon was there. Think about it again. If not for this Deus ex machina of Leon being there, the nation would be OVER.

 

[duy0699kat]

Maybe in wartime

Yes you skip the exactly that, mylene explain that bcz of flying stone and flying island make the war cheaper and more rewarding, hence warlords (emphasize the "war") have a lot of power and resources and some try to fuck with the kingdom.

The kingdom then shift that power to women, who often prefer spending time enjoy the luxury of the kingdom capital than killing others for some faraway islands like men. This also centralize the power in the capital, hence they ignore it even though the shift is too much.

 

[Morose]

I'm no feminist, but this reasoning they have for weakening the nobles is incredibly sexist and rather offensive. It basically hinges on women being less capable at politics and power plays than men (which is flat out wrong) and how this would cause the power of the noble class to diminish. Maybe in wartime, yes, as it is still the men who fight in wars and hold the military power. But in peacetime, this makes zero sense.

...or I'm totally misunderstanding something, because sadly the chapter's explanation was incredibly badly phrased and I could only gather the above from the comments here.

First of all, i would say that the translation wasn't accurate in some parts of the chapter, and also that the whole reasoning behind was compressed to not make much sense.

The actual situation was that.
A Border Noble of the Kingdom revolted in the past which caused a lot of issues and loses for the Kingdom (the Border Noble took over a region of the Kingdom and created the Principality of Fanoss, the place Hertrude is from).

Since the political system at that time was pretty unstable, the Kingdom feared that other Nobles of the Kingdom might follow on what that Noble did and seek independence.

So, the King of that time decided to go for a long-term plan of Centralisation, by first creating a Academy for all the young Nobles to come and learn in the Capital of the Kingdom. And then the King created a luxurious condition so that all those young Nobles would indulge in it and wouldn't want to leave the Capital, allowing the future of the all Nobles to concentrate in the Capital, and giving them less reason to revolt.

But there was a side-effect in that the Border Noble Women started to indulge themselves more into the luxurious of the Capital increasing revenue flow centred around the Capital, which inturn made the Border Nobles more weaker financially.
So the King decided to take advantage of the situation and gave more freedom to the Women and even created an environment in the Academy which allowed them to indulge further more, by giving them more power and creating a more biased environment.

Keep in mind this only affected lower & mid level Noble Women who originated from the Border regions or from average households.

It didn't effect the Commoners (who were ignored) or the higher Ranked Noble Women.

Higher Ranked Noble Women is a key aspects here because it's them who take part in the politics of the Kingdom (lower & mid level Noble Women don't bother with it as they consider it as Mens job).
So while they didn't exactly know what was going on behind the scene, they (and their families) had a pretty good intuition about it, as they understood politics and powerplay.

But the whole biased favor towards Women also has a negative effect in that, number of Men was lower than Women, but Women held more social power compared to Men (especially in the academy level, and lower & mid Noble class society).
So, they started to become more choosy towards the Men they select, which slowly started to cause dissatisfaction amount the Noble men of those class (even though Men had less numbers than Women, but many Men were getting rejected).
Since Noble Men were forced to marry a noble women of their status by law (if they didn't, they would be socially boycotted). It forced them into unfavorable marriage situations (like Leon's Father).

 

[Redheadgearhead]

Mylene forever and always best girl.

 

[Morose]

This honestly seems quite retarded. Sorry but I feel the author fumbled this one.
I won't comment on the whole male/female superiority or whatever. There's a lot of posts already and I don't want to enter that. I don't believe in any superiority anyway.

But: "let's make our ruling class completely incompetent so that we can substitute them!" is very retarded.
Because so many things can go wrong, and of course people that are in decline and worry about losing power would end up trying to rebel or defect or create all sort of problems.

And in fact NOBODY helped during this crisis, and the kingdom is STILL a complete mess of horrible nobles

You could have tried to better educate the nobles and that would have been better. Worst case scenario, you still get rebellions and problems. Bets case scenario, you get less problems.

Yeah the planning wasn't done right, but it's not like everyone can accurately predict what a new idea would cause in the future.

Also regarding the ruling class, well the Women Favoring system was created to target and control the Lower & Middle class Nobles, who weren't part of ruling class, they are part of management or resource class as they provide revenue, resources and battle forces.

The ruling class, which is basically the Higher class Nobles knew something was going on and stayed cleared of it.
Which is why none of the Higher class Noble girls like Angelica or Deirdre (and even Clarice to a certain time) didn't own a Slave or indulge in stuff like Leon's sisters were doing.

The King of old didn't really expect that the Women of lower & middle class would get so out of control that it would create a dissatisfaction amoung the lower & middle class male nobles, causing them to have less patriotism towards the Kingdom.

And it's not like the system failed.
The Favoring Women system did crub the desire of the male nobles for glory and independence, as they were more focussed on finding a good partner and living a peaceful life. But it also didn't increase the favouritism of the make nobles.

 

[Manchura]

I'm no feminist, but this reasoning they have for weakening the nobles is incredibly sexist and rather offensive. It basically hinges on women being less capable at politics and power plays than men (which is flat out wrong) and how this would cause the power of the noble class to diminish. Maybe in wartime, yes, as it is still the men who fight in wars and hold the military power. But in peacetime, this makes zero sense.

...or I'm totally misunderstanding something, because sadly the chapter's explanation was incredibly badly phrased and I could only gather the above from the comments here.

there are a lot more women who've ruined entire political structures than brought prosperity to them, for every Irene of Byzantium, Jadwiga of Poland, or Agnes of Dunbar... there are 40 other females who caused massive instability and chaos that left the realm stagnant and in shambles (looking at virtually every roman empress and early byzantine empresses who ruined everything by trying to turn their sons into tools for them and their lovers...the entire eastern concubines of china ect)

to view the explanation as sexist requires some deeply misunderstood view of history through a neo-socialist "oppressors and oppressed" lens that ignores the facts of the matter, women historically had the highest luxury to responsibility ratio in peacetime, thus they often gained far more political cards during peace time, especially if their husbands/fathers were dead so they exploited it to gain more access to luxury, and most of the biological kids that came out of these arrangements were mentally unstable and far worse off than anyone raised in wartime, where women essentially acted like the man of the estate and were educated to fulfill such roles due to...well, the estate being driven by martial traits

also side note: this same shit happened to every major monarchy/feudal centralization effort nation that did not rely on military nationalism as the basis of it's political structure, the French revolution was entirely based around this system rotting out the commoners, the purging of the daimyo class and then the forced migration of all feudal lord families IN JAPAN during the shogunate, the western roman empire, the late byzantine empire, any chinese empire, even the british did this

 

[hsun]

Spoiler: spiler

Like usual it's that girl, Mylene ask Leon to help Julius to save Marie. Then, Leon knows what actually happened and want to behead Marie because of the dogeza.

 

[sanctuary]

tldr: they empowered women into being degenerates to have men constantly competing internally among themselves and wasting all their money trying to simp for a potential wife who has 20 male slaves to fit her sexual desires thus killing off the hereditary nobles as a class, only to have it backfire into a female centered political structure where only the upper political families still had male centered power and all other classes became female supremacist and made men a second class citizen, but since this didn't hurt the kingdom's royal family it was left intact

totally cant happen in re-onlyfans ....

they in fact live in a society

 

[GridLite]

after what feels like a decade, mylene-sama has now blessed our eyes

 

[ArcLife]

So dumbed down version of all that was royals wanted to take power away from the nobles but it back fired and made a bigger mess with women taking advantage of the situation k got it.

Now its time for queen to offer her self as payment to Leon to help her idiot son recup some from his errors

 

[HDMI1]

Never has a scantalator credit page been more in line with the end of a chapter.

 

[screamdoom]

oh fu... what did he do this time
all that buildup it must be ended up in prince gaslighting everybody, that's why she comes to him.

 

[TetraSky]

what has that worthless sack of doodoo done to make this beautiful woman do that.