The Guy She Was Interested in Wasn't a Guy at All - Ch. 111 - Stupid Uncle!

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Last issue we split into pro-Kanna and anti-Kanna camps. (I'm in the latter camp.)

Here's my evaluation:
  • Kanna is toxic, playing games, jerking Joe around. If there's anyone who needs to show how they feel and what they're willing to do to move the relationship ahead, it's Kanna, not Joe.
  • Joe should have already hooked up with some other chick. He's clearly not antisocial. And he and Kanna were not even keeping in touch.
  • While Aya has been into Mitsuki from the beginning, even after finding out that Mitsuki is a girl, we have yet to see any indication that Mitsuki is sexually interested in Aya. Nor has she shown any recognition that Aya is romantically interested in her. Yet somehow she's supposed to suddenly confess to feelings that she's never demonstrated before? (Though that's exactly what I expect the author will do.)
  • As others have noted, Mitsuki has shown zero appreciation for her uncle placing Mitsuki over his girlfriend. She doesn't even seem to realize it. Joe should be telling Mitsuki off, not the other way around.
  • @Jackist made the point very... loudly. But yeah the whole thing is written with Mitsuki (and Kanna) wanting and expecting the world to revolve around them. ... Narcissists.
I agree with everything aside Mitsuki not being clearly attracted.
Honestly, I think she’s either been waiting for Aya or she thinks they’re already dating.
“Why are you jealous of yourself?” “She knows I’m jealous? I shouldn’t be?! SWEET!”

edit: I once saw a screenshot of a tweet or tumblr post “I was watching tv with my crush and said “I wish I had a butch girlfriend” and she said “I’m butch!” Do I have a chance?”
”are you sure you’re not on a date?”
”Well, you were right. I was on a date. She came up behind me while i was doing the dishes and she kissed me on the neck. Apparently she thought we were on our 7th date.”

The social lines between girls, and those between boys and girls are less clear.
I have thought I was dating someone and was wrong.
I drove 3 hours in -35°f to spend New Years alone with my ex (as of yesterday. 8 years. I’m out of tears atm). “I wonder if this is a date…
We had been flirting for months.
 
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Please uncle, go and make-up with her and be boyfriend and girlfriend again! 😤
 
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Ok so the author settled both the Race to the airport and the running to the prom at the same time, like this is so meta for 90's romance comedies, they have been setting up this shit for MONTHS, look 2 chapters more, just let him cook
 
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  • As others have noted, Mitsuki has shown zero appreciation for her uncle placing Mitsuki over his girlfriend. She doesn't even seem to realize it. Joe should be telling Mitsuki off, not the other way around.
  • @Jackist made the point very... loudly. But yeah the whole thing is written with Mitsuki (and Kanna) wanting and expecting the world to revolve around them. ... Narcissists.
I don't like how Mitsuki's throwing around commands at Joe, but she doesn't know the details of the recent fight outside of Joe's description where he says that he hurt her. And whether or not Mitsuki knows she was the reason for the first split, she's right that Joe (and Kanna) didn't consider both sides' feelings because it's crystal clear that they never talked about the split after it happened; a literal recipe for long stewing regret and resentment. Kanna needs this talk too, but she's not in the car, she's at the airport lol. Joe's actions are also mirror of Mitsuki's, which will show them both coming to a similar conclusion. This is where I'm going to predict a double-whammy christmas kiss scene.

For the second point, Jackist's not logical so imma ignore that, but can you describe where you're getting the narcissist idea on Mitsuki? Like, I get Kanna being toxic, but I don't think Mitsuki's behavior is all that different from the average teen. The public playing cringe and explanation is in the chapter and is a musical trope. Whether it's busking or at a school festival, it's a way to show the character growing comfortable with playing publicly while also showing their music isn't just good in their head. I'd agree with you more if Mitsuki wasn't going to see Aya and if Joe didn't want to make up with Kanna, but that looks to be where this is headed. And I believe in Joe's character enough that he wouldn't go just because Mitsuki said. Clearly he does hold strong feelings for Kanna, flaws and all. And though I would have preferred Joe do his own thing at his own pace, I get that the author needed to set the scenario and wanted it all done in this release. But I'm not sure if all this spells out narcissist.
 
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I am praying to all the gods that what's actually happening here is Joe driving to Mitsuki to prom and now she's gonna go get her girl back. Please please let me be right. I mean right? Who brings roses to meeting a producer for the first time? They had to be for Aya. (Coping hard rn)
 
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Last issue we split into pro-Kanna and anti-Kanna camps. (I'm in the latter camp.)

Here's my evaluation:
  • Kanna is toxic, playing games, jerking Joe around. If there's anyone who needs to show how they feel and what they're willing to do to move the relationship ahead, it's Kanna, not Joe.
  • Joe should have already hooked up with some other chick. He's clearly not antisocial. And he and Kanna were not even keeping in touch.
  • While Aya has been into Mitsuki from the beginning, even after finding out that Mitsuki is a girl, we have yet to see any indication that Mitsuki is sexually interested in Aya. Nor has she shown any recognition that Aya is romantically interested in her. Yet somehow she's supposed to suddenly confess to feelings that she's never demonstrated before? (Though that's exactly what I expect the author will do.)
  • As others have noted, Mitsuki has shown zero appreciation for her uncle placing Mitsuki over his girlfriend. She doesn't even seem to realize it. Joe should be telling Mitsuki off, not the other way around.
  • @Jackist made the point very... loudly. But yeah the whole thing is written with Mitsuki (and Kanna) wanting and expecting the world to revolve around them. ... Narcissists.

I don't remember seeing Kanna doing anything to get together with Uncle.
She should be honest about what she feels and what she wants, try to talk with him if hey can go back or even trying to seduce him to see if it works. Instead she keeps mocking him, calling him a weak and a coward and now is doing a really bad emotional blackmail forcing him to choose between her and Mitsuki again, unbelievable.

And I'm also curious about the romance part about the two leads.
Mitsuki didn't show any signs of "being gay". There was not romance of any sort developed on her side until now
 
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Mitsuki didn't show any signs of "being gay". There was not romance of any sort developed on her side until now
…are you a gay woman?
If so, then I’m surprised you didn’t see the “Does she? Am I? Do I? Are we?” patterns.
 
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I don't like how Mitsuki's throwing around commands at Joe, but she doesn't know the details of the recent fight outside of Joe's description where he says that he hurt her.
She’s hard projecting, and gassing herself up.
She’s a teenager, and acts like a teenager.
 
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I don't like how Mitsuki's throwing around commands at Joe, but she doesn't know the details of the recent fight outside of Joe's description where he says that he hurt her. And whether or not Mitsuki knows she was the reason for the first split, she's right that Joe (and Kanna) didn't consider both sides' feelings because it's crystal clear that they never talked about the split after it happened; a literal recipe for long stewing regret and resentment. Kanna needs this talk too, but she's not in the car, she's at the airport lol. Joe's actions are also mirror of Mitsuki's, which will show them both coming to a similar conclusion. This is where I'm going to predict a double-whammy christmas kiss scene.
Joe took her in and raised her. And he mentored her love of music. And provided a job and a path for her. Assuming that she's not a moron, she knows what he has done for her, and should be grateful about that. As for choice with Kanna, unless she's a moron, she can put two and two together: Joe was planning on going to US with Kanna. Then Joe is staying and taking care of her (and Mitsuki would have known that if Joe left, she would lose him as support). Yes, she was young at the time, but she also would have been very dependent at the time, and the thought of losing her uncle should have been terrifying. Likewise the relief that he was staying would have been immense. So, unless she's an idiot, then she knows how much she owes him, and that it was a choice between her and Kanna.

And this is a big flag for narcissistic self-absorption. There's no indication that she recognizes this obvious fact, or choice that her uncle faced to keep her.

For the second point, Jackist's not logical so imma ignore that, but can you describe where you're getting the narcissist idea on Mitsuki? Like, I get Kanna being toxic, but I don't think Mitsuki's behavior is all that different from the average teen. The public playing cringe and explanation is in the chapter and is a musical trope. Whether it's busking or at a school festival, it's a way to show the character growing comfortable with playing publicly while also showing their music isn't just good in their head. I'd agree with you more if Mitsuki wasn't going to see Aya and if Joe didn't want to make up with Kanna, but that looks to be where this is headed. And I believe in Joe's character enough that he wouldn't go just because Mitsuki said. Clearly he does hold strong feelings for Kanna, flaws and all. And though I would have preferred Joe do his own thing at his own pace, I get that the author needed to set the scenario and wanted it all done in this release. But I'm not sure if all this spells out narcissist.
Aside from the failure to appreciate her uncle... Aya is all about supporting Mitsuki, but Mitsuki is not doing that much to support Aya. (Though there was the concert ticket thing, so kudos for that.) Likewise the setup with the girl who wants to be an artist producer -- she also is acting as someone to help Mitsuki do her own thing. Even the school culture4 festival... It mainly serves to get Mitsuki up on the stage and play the guitar.

Likewise for Kanna it's all about what she wants. She goes to US because that's what she wants. She leaves Joe behind because her desire is more important. Then no communication for 6 years. She shows back up, inserts herself into Joe's life, tries to leverage Mitsuki against Joe, tries to guilt him about what she initiated. Total self-absorption.

As for Joe's feelings for her... There hasn't been any indication of him being interested in her anymore. That stuff is six years in the past. It should be long over as far as he's concerned. (Unless he's a weak fool, which is probably the route the author is going.)

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If Narita isn’t in charge of the music, and doesn’t put a cheesy 80s ballad on the moment she hands it to her, I will be so disappointed.
Then he will cry tears of joy as his ship sails.
I realized too late that she is handing Joe the bouquet but what I wouldn't give for the cheese, Narita and I are bosom buddies the way we live for that shit
 
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Joe took her in and raised her. And he mentored her love of music. And provided a job and a path for her. Assuming that she's not a moron, she knows what he has done for her, and should be grateful about that. As for choice with Kanna, unless she's a moron, she can put two and two together: Joe was planning on going to US with Kanna. Then Joe is staying and taking care of her (and Mitsuki would have known that if Joe left, she would lose him as support). Yes, she was young at the time, but she also would have been very dependent at the time, and the thought of losing her uncle should have been terrifying. Likewise the relief that he was staying would have been immense. So, unless she's an idiot, then she knows how much she owes him, and that it was a choice between her and Kanna.

And this is a big flag for narcissistic self-absorption. There's no indication that she recognizes this obvious fact, or choice that her uncle faced to keep her.
I'll give it to you that she'd put two and two together by now, she's too observant to let that slip by. However again the only info she's got on the recent tiff is what Joe gives her where he shows he's still holding guilt, which she for sure caught with the "gh!" reaction. But Mitsuki's has been living with Joe as her guardian for at least 6 years, she's a teenager, and they're super close. Of course she'll be thankful to a degree, but if you think about this like real life then she's been living this every day for the past 6 years. By now there's more of an undertone that she's grateful than a constant reminder, and with Joe's parenting style they're close enough that what we've seen has been more of a hybrid father-daughter/big bro little sis relationship. He gives her the opportunity to act like a kid. And like a kid, like a friend even, she's comfortable enough to give him her first thoughts, even if it's half baked from his words and her own juvenile ideals that are still going from black/white to gray tones. Sure, self-absorbed like many teenagers, but narcissistic is a pretty serious adjective that suggests this is a problem that needs outside intervention. This is a very juvenile trend, telling others (especially adults!) what they think the solution is like it's easy, like they've discovered the answers to the world at 17 years old haha.

Aside from the failure to appreciate her uncle... Aya is all about supporting Mitsuki, but Mitsuki is not doing that much to support Aya. (Though there was the concert ticket thing, so kudos for that.) Likewise the setup with the girl who wants to be an artist producer -- she also is acting as someone to help Mitsuki do her own thing. Even the school culture4 festival... It mainly serves to get Mitsuki up on the stage and play the guitar.

Likewise for Kanna it's all about what she wants. She goes to US because that's what she wants. She leaves Joe behind because her desire is more important. Then no communication for 6 years. She shows back up, inserts herself into Joe's life, tries to leverage Mitsuki against Joe, tries to guilt him about what she initiated. Total self-absorption.

As for Joe's feelings for her... There hasn't been any indication of him being interested in her anymore. That stuff is six years in the past. It should be long over as far as he's concerned. (Unless he's a weak fool, which is probably the route the author is going.)
Mitsuki being given the opportunity to act like a child isn't a stark indication she doesn't appreciate her uncle, it's more of a sign that Joe's doing a great parenting job. Normally in adoptions there's a barrier that's nonexistent here. And this has been her only outlashing at her uncle for his actions so far (I think?), and that's in regards to someone she sees him having feelings for but not taking action toward.

There is more opportunity to support Mitsuki than vice versa, which I agreed on, but Mitsuki has been supporting Aya when the opportunity comes up, like recently in the concert and now (this is a prediction but I bet Mitsuki won't let Aya down at Prom). There isn't exactly a way for Mitsuki to support Aya in regards to the producer's kid, which is why Aya's unhappy/supportive of Mitsuki instead; it's a weird subject which mixes both romantic and professional. But so far all the events have been for Mitsuki's musical dreams. Forgive me if I've forgotten, but I don't think Aya's found her own passion yet. So far it's been being in love with Mitsuki/#1 oshi. To see Mitsuki being supportive sooner we need to wait until one of them. Finally. Freaking. Confesses!!!

You're right that going to the US was Kanna's biggest dream, and that in itself is fine. With how big her dream was, it was for the best because not going would have sown resentment. The problem wasn't even her coming back, Joe could have kicked her to the curb and been 100% in the right. But Joe held guilt over backing out last minute after 6 years regardless of the reasons, because both Joe and Kanna never talked about it and truly laid the matter to rest. That's where my comment about guilt and resentment returns with a vengeance. Maybe it was the guilt, maybe he didn't hate Mitsuki coming back, but she made her mark in the time she was back. But like you, I put the blame in Kanna's recent outburst on herself, and trying to half-assed drag Mitsuki to the US is a scummy move. Kanna's actions aren't in question.

But I feel like I'm obligated to disagree on Joe's affection for Kanna, at least to bring up the second possible option haha. And it can only be one or the other leading up to the Christmas-ish release. I'd love to be taken for a twist where they talk it out and separate as friends (or maybe not even!) because that would be a fresh dose of reality and healthiest for Joe, but I'm seeing signs of that cheesy stereotypical christmas airport confrontation. And as much as I love reality, I do love cheese. This one we'll have to wait and see.
 
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The real question being... is she going to the prom or the other stuff ? :O
I'm really really hoping he dropped her off in front of the GFs house. (Its been a bit since I've read any chapters I don't remember names well)
 
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I realized too late that she is handing Joe the bouquet but what I wouldn't give for the cheese, Narita and I are bosom buddies the way we live for that shit
I wasn’t sure on the bouquet.
I’ll take your word for it.

But I was “All Through the Night” to play when she takes her hand to go onto the dance floor.
I almost want a spotlight.
 
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I'll give it to you that she'd put two and two together by now, she's too observant to let that slip by. However again the only info she's got on the recent tiff is what Joe gives her where he shows he's still holding guilt, which she for sure caught with the "gh!" reaction. But Mitsuki's has been living with Joe as her guardian for at least 6 years, she's a teenager, and they're super close. Of course she'll be thankful to a degree, but if you think about this like real life then she's been living this every day for the past 6 years. By now there's more of an undertone that she's grateful than a constant reminder, and with Joe's parenting style they're close enough that what we've seen has been more of a hybrid father-daughter/big bro little sis relationship. He gives her the opportunity to act like a kid. And like a kid, like a friend even, she's comfortable enough to give him her first thoughts, even if it's half baked from his words and her own juvenile ideals that are still going from black/white to gray tones. Sure, self-absorbed like many teenagers, but narcissistic is a pretty serious adjective that suggests this is a problem that needs outside intervention. This is a very juvenile trend, telling others (especially adults!) what they think the solution is like it's easy, like they've discovered the answers to the world at 17 years old haha.
This is you projecting a bunch of stuff that isn't presented in the manga. You're projecting that Mitsuki is aware of the reason for the split, and that she is thankful for what Joe did.

But we haven't seen any of that.

We need to go by what is actually presented. And since Joe and Kanna split precisely because of Mitsuki, then whether Mitsuki knows and appreciates this is completely core to the Joe/Kanna/Mitsuki relationship, and if Mitsuki does know/appreciate, then that needs to be shown. The fact that it's not shown indicates that the author is dismissing that.

And that's where we get to narcissism. By omitting that crucial core, the author has set up Mitsuki as self-absorbed. Then we have the fact that almost everything exists to bolster Mitsuki's going her own way and getting applauded for it. And it's a similar story for Kanna who went off and did her own thing, but now is laying the blame for the cost of her decision on Joe.
 
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I don't remember seeing Kanna doing anything to get together with Uncle.
She should be honest about what she feels and what she wants, try to talk with him if hey can go back or even trying to seduce him to see if it works. Instead she keeps mocking him, calling him a weak and a coward and now is doing a really bad emotional blackmail forcing him to choose between her and Mitsuki again, unbelievable.

And I'm also curious about the romance part about the two leads.
Mitsuki didn't show any signs of "being gay". There was not romance of any sort developed on her side until now
 

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