Chounin A wa Akuyaku Reijou wo Doushitemo Sukuitai - Vol. 8 Ch. 38.1 - Commencing Assault

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That's not how it works IRL. You can't expect an entire population to evacuate, for various reasons (like not being allowed to, for starters, or not being capable of it due to disability, illness etc.) and you do not get to re-classify those that linger as combatants. Any violence against non-combatants is still a war crime unless you can prove they were only masquerading as such (in which case it's them that are the war criminals).

And how would you prove they're not combatant masquerading as one?
Or if there are these non-combatants who can't leave.
That's why they give the warning and 5 days wait, because that's the best compromise they have.

It's also why ACTUAL war crime definition requires intention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
" intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property"
And not just 'oops a civilian got hurt, war crime'

Even if it wasn't under siege yet, they'd probably not allow anyone to leave if they were expecting one.

...Did you even read the chapter?

https://mangadex.org/chapter/dc47f4dd-56a2-46c1-970f-54afcd8db288/16

They literally mentioned people leaving this morning, right before Allen take off i.e. this is the day the attack begins.
 
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The firebombing of Japanese cities, particularly Tokyo, caused extensive destruction and immense casualties before the atomic bombings. While the atomic bombings are infamous, the firebombing raids, such as the one on Tokyo on March 9-10, 1945, resulted in a higher number of deaths and a greater area of destruction than both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings combined according to some historians.
 
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And how would you prove they're not combatant masquerading as one?
Or if there are these non-combatants who can't leave.
That's why they give the warning and 5 days wait, because that's the best compromise they have.
Dude, this is whackjob logic, you can't prove a negative (except sometimes in math). Also, I'm not talking about the situation in the manga (different worlds/time periods work by different rules and should by judged in their context). I'm saying, if you were to try the equivalent today, you'd be a war criminal.

It's also why ACTUAL war crime definition requires intention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
" intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property"
And not just 'oops a civilian got hurt, war crime'
Intent is not just "Fuck yeah, I love me some civillian massacre!". It's also the mindset of being fine with a given outcome, knowing it's consequences. In other words, if you know that bombing that target will result in massive civillian casualties and still do it, then you had intent. This is how it works in court and not just for war crimes but pretty much anything. It's also a far easier burden to prove.

...Did you even read the chapter?

https://mangadex.org/chapter/dc47f4dd-56a2-46c1-970f-54afcd8db288/16

They literally mentioned people leaving this morning, right before Allen take off i.e. this is the day the attack begins.
I did, that's why I mentioned that I'm speaking in terms of IRL. This is not realistic unless it was some small group that somehow managed to slip out. A medieval city would keep the gates closed for anyone other than perhaps scouts or people securing provisions last-minute.
 
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That is very doubtful. In all of history this only really happened with Japan and even then it's not that good an example. By the time of the bombs, Japan was already pretty much beaten, but their doctrine prohibited surrender, not to even mention an unconditional one. The Emperor himself was said to have been keen to find a strong enough reason to surrender while still keeping some face. The bombs were a good one. If not for that, they might have just held on till hardly anyone was left. After all, before that other cities were also pretty much completely destroyed and that didn't cut it.
I agree with you, but just double-checking to see if we are on the same page: to create a strong justification for Japan to surrender, it was not mandatory or the only alternative to attack civilians.
The bomb itself and its destructive power are more than enough. Any place it exploded within Japanese territory would be enough.
A walled city under siege won't just open it's gates to let people evacuate. Even if it wasn't under siege yet, they'd probably not allow anyone to leave if they were expecting one. After all, a population backed to the wall is easy to convince to take up whatever weapons available and help defend it. Whoever ruled such a city is would certainly be executed, if it were to fall, so he's not going to care about much more than repelling the assult for as long as possible. Also, there was no real notion of any humanitarian safe passage for non-combatants (or of those either), so whoever fled would still be killed on the road if caught.

On page 16, it is mentioned that there is an escape route through the east gate that some families who took the warning seriously could flee.
 
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At first I thought it was napalm (from the description), but in the background you can see bottle like structure with flames on top + the description, so it seems like a molotov
i suppose it makes sense in terms of worldbuilding that he has glass bottles rather than refined metal as casing. (Then again, author does not seem to care too much about realism)
 
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I agree with you, but just double-checking to see if we are on the same page: to create a strong justification for Japan to surrender, it was not mandatory or the only alternative to attack civilians.
The bomb itself and its destructive power are more than enough. Any place it exploded within Japanese territory would be enough.
This is only easy to say in hindsight. The American side was not privy to the full picture of what went on in the heads of Japanese command (and let's say that what they've seen up to then was not exactly the mindset they'd consider sane). Not that I'm attempting to justify unleashing that kind of thing on a civillian population, but as we've established, mowing down entire cities was par for the course in WW2. They certainly could have at least tried what you suggest. Had at least one bomb to spare.

On page 16, it is mentioned that there is an escape route through the east gate that some families who took the warning seriously could flee.
I know, should have perhaps been clearer that I meant that from a real historical perspective.
 
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So that sword was really laden with some mind manipulation magic/curse of sorts. Hope it doesn’t come down to Allen fighting her, or worse, getting stabbed in the back in the least expected moment because some dark sh*t seeped into her psyche.
No it was trying to corrupt/possess her! What she saw was what she saw was what she ALREADY was imagining. Remember Baldy's been lying to her since putting her in that room that has no sunlight and isolation! She has no way of knowing anything. And her mind did the rest. The sword likely is just ENFORCING her fears to control her. I really hope this isn't leading to a stupid forced FIGHT between her and Allen when he FINALLY gets to her
She was comatose when it happened, all he did was sneak in, killed the Imperial Prince, Shot Sir Baldy when he made CREEPY Remarks about her, and rescued her as he was being chased as the gunshots did attract attention to his location as he snuck in! He took both their heads at the same time, made it BACK to the Plane with Ana in tow and made it back!
 
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"Oh boy, here I go killing again!" - Allen if this was a manhwa.

But I'm glad he gave them an out. I was worried that was the city Ana was in, though.


Unfortunately, this is probably what's going to happen. It's always something dumb like this where the "power of true love" shines through at the end. Can really blame her though, it's obvious she's endured for a while.
Then you're in for it
She is comatose when he got to her and for a GOOD portion of the story, no true loves kiss, but it's the classic "loved one stays by your side till you finally wake up" so she's out of action for awhile. My fear is a FORCED fight between her and Allen is INCOMING since I don't remember her getting possessed in the Novel, He made it in, KILLED the Two POS, Baldy last when he made a VILE comment about her being "only good as a baby factory now" with a headshot, took their heads AND Ana's comatose body and made it back to the plane after a Chase as killing Sir Baldy BLEW his cover and then she's out for a good many chapters! I can ALREADY hear the BITCH Saintess making COMMENTS about Rape again....REALLY Hope HER end fate is EXACTLY the same
 
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Hey guys I let this series stew for a bit cuz I know my blood pressure wouldn't let me read this month to month. Can someone tell me
how far into the war we are?
I need to know if it's safe to start reading
 
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The part bothering me the most is how calm he is overall without any rush. He doesn't know the existence of the anti rape hair ping so Anna meeting her original fate should be the only thing in his mind but, it just isn't.
 
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The part bothering me the most is how calm he is overall without any rush. He doesn't know the existence of the anti rape hair ping so Anna meeting her original fate should be the only thing in his mind but, it just isn't.
It's been said that he does not know where she is and has the dragons searching for her. It's probably reasonable to assume that she's at the enemy's capital, but without knowing where exactly, sneaking in would be risky for both. Without those dragons, his plane and other gimmicks this would be an utterly hopeless situation that could only be attempted by concessions from his kingdom via diplomacy - also a losing proposition, since said kingdom gave her up to begin with and the enemy likely thinks she'd make a better weapon than bargaining tool. There's little that can be done at present and obsessing about it would just make him lose his mind.
 
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Intent is not just "Fuck yeah, I love me some civillian massacre!". It's also the mindset of being fine with a given outcome, knowing it's consequences. In other words, if you know that bombing that target will result in massive civillian casualties and still do it, then you had intent. This is how it works in court and not just for war crimes but pretty much anything. It's also a far easier burden to prove.

Which they did try to reduce civilian casualties with the warning + waiting 5 days for any civilians to leave.
So they've shown intent to avoid non-combatant involvement already.

Not sure what more do you expect them to do at that point, or how after 5 days there'd still be 'massive civilian casualties' to somehow blame on Allen side.
 
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Which they did try to reduce civilian casualties with the warning + waiting 5 days for any civilians to leave.
So they've shown intent to avoid non-combatant involvement already.
Dude, it doesn't matter if they offered free kittens to those who left. They are okay with slaughtering anyone who's left, combatant or not, which is enough to classify it as intentionally killing civillians, if carried out. This would not raise any eyebrows in medieval times, because there were no rules other than what your liege imposed, but in the modern world it's a clear-cut war crime.

To be clear, it's not like the act of invading itself is a war crime (though it might break other kinds of contemporary international law). The issue is treating both soldiers and civillians as targets. Is it risky having to distinguish? Yes, potentially, as is being on a battlefied in general. It is required though and there's no talking yourself out of it.

Not sure what more do you expect them to do at that point, or how after 5 days there'd still be 'massive civilian casualties' to somehow blame on Allen side.
I repeat once again, this is not in reference to the situation presented in the manga. There is pretty much no hope of them not commiting war crimes as they are in contemporary understanding for us - that's because they are a medieval level civilization with no such notions. Historically, when a settlement was taken, the invading army always raped, pillaged and killed to their hearts' content and that's about to happen here as well (unless the author decides to yet again break suspension of disbelief). In order to avoid this, their whole kingdom would require a massive paradigm shift and that takes literal ages. So I don;t expect anything from them. In fact, the author should not have even brought it up, other than perhaps as Allen's inner thoughts, since he's the only one you'd expect to even consider any kind of humanitarian approach.
 
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Thanks for the new chapter!

It's understood that Allen is hesitant to use a wide-area spell and a napalm-bomb-like effect at that. During WW2, the US also used incendiary bombs during the last part of the war to bomb the Japanese mainland, before using the atom bombs. While the atom bomb cemented the surrender of Japan at that time, the incendiary bombings terrorized the days of the civilian Japanese at that time.
 
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A walled cities like the one shown is easy prey for an air raid. Especially when you use explosives and even more so if you plan to drop "incendiary bombs". Name them as you like, these things are designed to ignite materials and spread fires. Cardacia is densely covered with buildings, has narrow roads and not much open spaces. The primary housing type appears to be timber-framed, so there's lots of wood and other materials that will fuel a fire once you start it. If you spread accelerants from above on top of that you have all set to create a firestorm that will raze that city to the ground.

The heat might even destroy the outer walls and there will be very few survivors if any.

From a modern point of view, knowing that there will definitely be civilians left, that would be a clear war crime (and Alan is from our world, so obviously he should have second thoughts about doing it). On the other hand, going by that world's military standards, he will not be judged for killing a city full of enemies. If anything he will be commended for annihilating the enemy with a minimum of own casualties - they might scorn him if he completely razes the city (because it will be costly to rebuild it), but if the resulting terror and fear demoralizes the enemy into surrender then it will still be considered a win. And they might name the tactic "Allenihilation" after the one who first used it...

...ugh. And another month to wait. This is really a drag.
 
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This series really went from descent to awful. Dragging this out for far too long, the payoff will not be worth it and be far to short. There is also just so much stuff that makes no sense about the whole situation, the opposing country is putting far to many recourses into this plus conveniences to prevent Allen from finding her.

Also Allen has been too passive and spineless.
 

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