I Became the Patron of Villains - Ch. 10

[PreStoneX]

Given that the response is just an x emote, I doubt this person can even accept criticism as proclaimed. I respect translators and co, for their work. But it’s disappointing that some are egocentric.
As a response, I edited this to emphasize–so people can know how not to take constructive criticism.​

I assumed you'd answer, oh well.

 

[Dzrian]

........... Are you serious? Please don't act like the I was supposed to know that he will give actual criticism after his very first comment, to which I assumed is just a ragebait and jokingly called as such.

His very first comment was literally: "Translation doesn’t flow well, grammatical errors, at least better than this other group's MTL. Get a better proofreader." Now, I'm not sure about you, but I don't see any valid criticism there, it was straight up just dismissive and condescending... it could even be said that it was an insult by framing it like we're barely better than the horrid demonic scan's version. He only added actual examples after I reacted by saying it's ragebait, but I acknowledged the examples after he gave them, so acting like I "refused criticism" ignores how the whole thing started.

About your other points:
- who/whom does create a more "formally complete" sentence, but what I meant was that in everyday natural speech, native speakers often drops the relative pronoun, so mine was more conversational. For example: "He's the guy I told you about" or "The girl I saw yesterday looked familiar"

So, no, leaving out the relative pronoun is not "wrong" automatically. I did acknowledge his correction, I just said I prefer mine over a more formally complete sentence. In case you misunderstand again: I agree that he's right about this one, but several others were still preferences than actual errors, which you conveniently ignored again.

- The "I worked as an official editor": Please look at the order of the messages. That was after my ragebait comment, and his immediate reaction was that "Learn to take criticisms. I worked as an official editor and typesetter for over a year." (like I was supposed to know that)

Once again, I'm not sure about you, but to me it seemed like he wasn't just simply adding context for his claim, but was using that as a way to position himself above me, as if to say "I’m qualified, you aren’t, so accept what I say". But... sure, let's give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he did just frame it bad and didn't mean any harm, and if that's the case, then I apologize.

- That "waste of time" comment wasn’t about his criticism, it was about the whole situation. He felt the need to take me down a peg just because I dared to be a little proud of the work, and not sure if you noticed, but I removed my comment in case people like him (or you) tried to escalate it even further.

All in all, you can also do better than this. I'll stop commenting, hope you guys stay happy in whatever going on with your lives.

Edit: Bro literally added a little note to talk shit before I could type my comment 😭what in the passive-aggressive. Anyway, you don’t get to call someone "egocentric" just because they don’t immediately grovel the moment a stranger starts with how "Translation doesn’t flow well, grammatical errors, at least better than this other group's MTL. Get a better proofreader."

NO ONE would treat that as a good faith criticism on the very first read. You are literally rewriting the narrative so it frames me as an egocentric prick who dismisses any criticism, even though I just responded the way anyone would to such a condescending message. Honestly, this says a lot more about you than me.

To clarify a few things. Even if the initial critique came across as blunt or rude, your response thereafter was not genuinely accepting the criticism. It’s just “you’re right, but I am right too and I prefer mine,” which is not the same as acknowledging the points fully.
You’re also generalising that’s how anyone would have responded.

For example, regarding the relative pronoun issue, your version removes the pronoun entirely. You claimed this is natural, but objectively it reads awkwardly. Saying “He’s the guy I told you about” or “The girl I saw yesterday looked familiar” is a different grammatical structure; they are not equivalent, so your justification doesn’t fully apply. So my point? I agree it can be preference, but I can’t agree that it is correct.

Even if you saw the initial comment as rude, the way you responded by twisting it into a straw man, dismissing valid points, and framing yourself as the victim, shows that you did not accept the criticism in good faith. Your response could have been fine without all that.

You could have replied and ask for clarification. He only added his credibility after.
It was reactive, not proactive.
-He didn’t volunteer it in the first comment, it came after a defensive interaction.
-This strongly suggests it wasn’t meant as “I’m better than you,” but rather as a justification for his reaction.

How can you tell? Because it won’t make sense for him to bring up his credibility unless you’re both competing to translate this work. Or if he’s an asshole that loves flaunting it, in which case it could have already been added in the first comment.

Preferences are valid as I’ve stated. You could say, that you’d naturally follow your preference. Rather than, “yours is formal, mine is more natural so it isn’t wrong.” It was also passive aggressive.

Even if he had provided examples in the first blunt comment, it could still be perceived as condescending, since that is subjective. A useful way to tell is whether the statements insult you personally. In this case, the feedback mainly targeted the work. The only directly insulting statement would be the ‘proofreader’ part. But no matter what he had to say about that, it would still be about you anyway. I’m putting myself in his shoes here: “if there was an issue with proofreading,” and then I’m thinking, “how can I say this without sounding offensive.”

Btw I waited after the emote before I added that note. I guess I didn’t wait long enough. That was not shit talk as you claimed. It’s something called a “general lesson,” but you see it as that way because it frames yours as an example.

Even my responses can be seen as condescending. Honestly, you’re more qualified than I am. I’ve only done personal solo translations.
Anyways I only joined in to point out how defensive it came out rather than acknowledging. I’m just giving my thoughts as someone who faces weekly constructive criticism in the engineering field.


My biggest takeaway here:
What do you mean you removed your comment? How? You can do that?

 

[AzrefReza]

Bro is just experimenting with game mechanics, man.

How...old is the MC at this point? I feel like he should start thinking about having an heir. Or at least some people should start thinking about it for him. He could always adopt one of his kids, but excessive favoritism is bad.

Man. Imagine escaping kidnapping for human experimentation only to get nearly sold into slavery. She's unlucky.

Why ADOPT them when he’s got three perfectly nubile girls (plus one of the guys’ sister) basically worshipping him?

 

[Tiersten]

Who is monocle guy? Have we seen him before?

Why ADOPT them when he’s got three perfectly nubile girls (plus one of the guys’ sister) basically worshipping him?

Yutia is kind of crazy with her level of worship. The other two look somewhat normal compared to her. MC is cooked if one of them turns into a great sin because of jealously

 

[Shadow_Draco]

Bro is just experimenting with game mechanics, man.

How...old is the MC at this point? I feel like he should start thinking about having an heir. Or at least some people should start thinking about it for him. He could always adopt one of his kids, but excessive favoritism is bad.

Man. Imagine escaping kidnapping for human experimentation only to get nearly sold into slavery. She's unlucky.

As a count and a person he should have a desire to one day marry and have an heir but I don't know if the author wants to go that route

 

[zuriax666]

This manhwa might be the best manhwa with the best misunderstandings, with the most misunderstandings

 

[VooXoo]

So, I think that the little sister was saved from someone when it was her turn as a sacrifice, probably some important figure, the comic skips too much but I'm guessing that after being saved she was left in some place, maybe a orphanage, there slave traders got her again and would have sold her, and she would have died at the hands of the buyer, likely a noble.
Probably in the original story Sword discovered how she almost made it and for nobles sicks hobbies died, after escaping literal shadow demons, that was the last push after his years of torture and it made him go on a crusade against humanity.

 

[Superboi777]

Man, that magic sequence was beautiful

 

[F00M]

Let's be real, not bringing the sister to the orphanage the moment she was found, and the dude not being upset with that thought are two pretty big plot holes that I will be choosing to let pass this time.

Hopefully the author avoids any further digging.

 

[bot]

... Focus on the flow, make sure the tense and tone is appropriate for scene. And for some reason, non native speaker Proofreaders are better for this. ...

Just my speculation on this, its because they didd'nt get used to the "shortcuts" or other oddities in english from an early age such as ebonics. They have to learn the laguage from scratch while its not their native language meaning they also have to actively think on what they're saying.