Toukyou KINOKO ~Sekai Ranking 1-i no Komyu-ryoku Saijaku JK~ - Ch. 13 - Ritual

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For the record, I am enjoying this. The complaints I've been reading are sort of weird to me? There are legitimate storytelling critiques of this series, as there are with any story.

But Kinoko's qualities aren't really one of them?

Nah man, Kino is just so fucking stupid and oblivious that it actually destroys suspension of disbelief.

It's jarring as fuck that the most powerful being in the world has the situational awareness and survival instinct of a newborn bird.

Even if she was literally blind, a man got exsanguinated in that room, and blood smells.

Based on how the writing has been for this, my hunch is that if Usoyama had in fact told Kino the truth, Kino would have willfully misinterpreted what she said just to keep this farce going.
As @MostlyHumanTLs pointed out, the Stranger plant absorbed that corpse. So there's unlikely much of anything left of him to detect. And as I've mentioned before, Kinoko has been living literally beyond the boondocks. As far as the reader knows, they were the only family still in Gunma.

So, in terms of actual knowledge about /anything/, she might not even have an urban child's knowledge base. It's not necessarily the case that she is dumb. While you were absorbing knowledge watching TV, Kinoko was learning how to punch 100,000 times in a sec. So, what does she know about jobs? Nothing. Chapter 1 Page 10, Panel 5. That's her knowledge level for a job. That qualifies as Negative Knowledge to me. Chapter 4 page 19, not buying an entrance ticket is a crime.

Based on compatibility, one can assume the Stranger blood, has a similar nature/scent to human blood. Even if you assume it doesn't, you have the giant bleeding Orochi Corpse just stinking up that entire arena. Are you going to notice 6 liters of human blood over the barrels of monster blood? And Kinoko has probably literally swum in their blood before. I would be surprised if she notices it at all at this point. And as I said previously in this thread. There is 0 danger for Kinoko in this situation. She's not on edge, she doesn't recognize any of this as a danger to her or anyone else.

So, Kinoko has average intelligence, negative common sense, let's say inadequate/inappropriate basic knowledge, and believes her strength isn't significantly more than anyone else. She's now in a situation where her basic knowledge is completely wrong. And she doesn't recognize/identify any of this as a danger. So in the final page, she finally acknowledges the truth. That this isn't a job. And that is a completely logical and normal conclusion for her to make.

And as far as being #1, Chapter 3, page 9, pretty much puts the kibosh on her ever admitting it. Her anxiety levels won't ever allow her to admit it to anyone.


@MostlyHumanTLs I think the Usoyama mouth gag criticism is misplaced? Page 6, she thought Kinoko is on the order of ~2 times stronger than Ippe. And she believes this Stranger Plant is a real problem. Simply yelling at Kinoko to get involved without a plan could be problematic/dangerous for both of them. But she only now realizes the danger level for Kinoko is 0. Not simply is she capable of saving the day, but that she could do it and not understand there was a day to save.
 
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I'm firmly in hate read territory. Everytime she opens her mouth I just want to slap her.
I was the same way to a lesser degree at first, but after thinking about it I kind of get it. She doesn’t have that intrinsic fear/ sense of danger that the rest of us have because nothing we’ve seen here can even scratch her. That combined with being a high school student gives her no reason to question anything. She has the flexibility to go “Yeah, seems legit“ to almost anything within reason. There is no harm in her not giving these people the benefit of the doubt so why even bother?
 
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she is the black hole and her density is causing chapter dilation
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For the record, I am enjoying this. The complaints I've been reading are sort of weird to me? There are legitimate storytelling critiques of this series, as there are with any story.

But Kinoko's qualities aren't really one of them?


As @MostlyHumanTLs pointed out, the Stranger plant absorbed that corpse. So there's unlikely much of anything left of him to detect. And as I've mentioned before, Kinoko has been living literally beyond the boondocks. As far as the reader knows, they were the only family still in Gunma.

So, in terms of actual knowledge about /anything/, she might not even have an urban child's knowledge base. It's not necessarily the case that she is dumb. While you were absorbing knowledge watching TV, Kinoko was learning how to punch 100,000 times in a sec. So, what does she know about jobs? Nothing. Chapter 1 Page 10, Panel 5. That's her knowledge level for a job. That qualifies as Negative Knowledge to me. Chapter 4 page 19, not buying an entrance ticket is a crime.

Based on compatibility, one can assume the Stranger blood, has a similar nature/scent to human blood. Even if you assume it doesn't, you have the giant bleeding Orochi Corpse just stinking up that entire arena. Are you going to notice 6 liters of human blood over the barrels of monster blood? And Kinoko has probably literally swum in their blood before. I would be surprised if she notices it at all at this point. And as I said previously in this thread. There is 0 danger for Kinoko in this situation. She's not on edge, she doesn't recognize any of this as a danger to her or anyone else.

So, Kinoko has average intelligence, negative common sense, let's say inadequate/inappropriate basic knowledge, and believes her strength isn't significantly more than anyone else. She's now in a situation where her basic knowledge is completely wrong. And she doesn't recognize/identify any of this as a danger. So in the final page, she finally acknowledges the truth. That this isn't a job. And that is a completely logical and normal conclusion for her to make.

And as far as being #1, Chapter 3, page 9, pretty much puts the kibosh on her ever admitting it. Her anxiety levels won't ever allow her to admit it to anyone.


@MostlyHumanTLs I think the Usoyama mouth gag criticism is misplaced? Page 6, she thought Kinoko is on the order of ~2 times stronger than Ippe. And she believes this Stranger Plant is a real problem. Simply yelling at Kinoko to get involved without a plan could be problematic/dangerous for both of them. But she only now realizes the danger level for Kinoko is 0. Not simply is she capable of saving the day, but that she could do it and not understand there was a day to save.

I mostly agree with you, but not about the mouth gag. You make a good point about things being different once Usoyama realised just how much stronger Kino is, I just don't see how "yelling at Kinoko to get involved without a plan could be problematic/dangerous for both of them".

I could see a panicked "Master, save me!" being enough for Kino to react automatically and be by Usoyama's side in an instant. By which point, she's safe and can take however much is needed to explain the situation to Kino.

I can feel the author trying to stretch this scene as logically as possible, but this particular part feels like it leaves too many questions raised, compared to most other times the author prevented Kino's enlightenment.

For a fix, my simple suggestion would be to replace the part where she undoes her other binds. Have instead that space be occupied by her struggle to get just one arm out, and as soon as her arm is free, she goes for the gag, which is when she's stopped.

Now, a possible reason the author is doing it this way, is that she needs Usoyama to be able to move freely for a future event of some kind. Still, doesn't excuse Usoyama's choice of going for the mouth gag last from being labelled as "questionable".

So in the final page, she finally acknowledges the truth. That this isn't a job. And that is a completely logical and normal conclusion for her to make.

Don't be so hasty, now. She's surprised by what was said, but we don't actually know yet if she understood even a smidge of what that means. :dogkek:
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I'm really wondering how the author's going to make a joke out of it next chapter. I just hope she keeps being as skillful at covering her bases as she's been so far.
 
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Your mistake here is assuming Kino has any idea of what is normal for a part time job. Or what is polite society, for that matter.

In this particular case, she's so relieved that she's not getting fired (and as a reminder, she fears getting fired because she believes she'll lose her only friend, which was more difficult to get than any S-ranked ingredient for her) that she's no longer paying attention to anything being said until she calms down next chapter.

Usoyama was the one to bring Kino to this part time job, and only really told her that they'll be hunting strangers, nothing specific. So Kino knows nothing about "the job's post description".

And again, you're stuck on what's normal for "a member of polite society", which Kino isn't. Even if something weird is said, she has no basis for comparison.

She heard "Let the blood flow", saw the axe and came to the most logical conclusion for her lived experience.

So she's letting them draw her blood, which is why, for her, it's not weird to be attacked with bladed tools. Of course, it doesn't work, and brings back her fear of getting fired.

On the topic of the sword aiming at her eye, we don't actually see the weapon connecting.

She could have blinked just after this panel as a subconscious reaction. And we have seen her defend herself automatically, like when the Yamata no Orochi was about to use fire on her. Things that are so instinctual to her, she basically has no control over those reactions.

Or, maybe her eyeball really is that hard.

As to why she even let the president strike her eyeball? We have no real clue as to her regenerative capabilities, so maybe losing an eyeball is "just a flesh wound" to her. For example, I've just checked and there's no indication that her finger is still hurt after she bit it, so it probably healed already.

But... it all comes down to... basic human logic..? Not even common sense, just basic human instincts.

I mean, I don't get what you're not understanding. Someone is yelling at you, clearly angry at you, and is attacking you with the intent to harm. How is she not taking the hint?

I can get your head being so far up your ass you can't properly see what people don't like here, but this is on a whole other level. We're talking Olympics levels of mental gymnastics.

She is dumb, as her little sister has stated. Also reckless and without common sense.

Nobody's arguing she's even of normal intellect. She has been established to be this kind of character, so most of the complaints people are having about her being dumb are honestly weird to me.

You may not like this sort of character, that's fair. But she's behaving exactly according to how she was established, so most of her actions make sense for her.

And nobody is arguing that. Nobody minds a character that's dumb as hell. Everyone, including me, was cool with it. I found it fun at first like everyone else. Then we arrived at Chapter 9 and everything went to shit.

My whole previous argument was based on the idea that there's literally no logic to what's happening, whatever type of argument you can come up with would be far-fetched (and somehow you did come up with 'counter-arguments', which are really just the biggest stretches in human history as well as some conjectures and theories, and a few valid points).

But you know what, forget that.

I'll try and explain it in a simple manner to you, since your underdevelopped mass you call a brain can't seem to wrap itself around the problem here.

Most people, I think, came here with the intent of seeing some action, some school slice of life probably, and some comedy. That type of mix is generally fun and entertaining to read.

The setting and mood is a key element to all that, and the first pages of the story set that up pretty well. We see Kino holding onto the undercarriage of a truck in a desolate, half destroyed Tokyo. That sets a pretty comedic tone in this otherwise bleak environment and people were enjoying it.

Fastforwrd a bit and we arrive at Chapter 7 where we see someone get exsanguinated and literally eaten, so most people would think that the interesting part is finally coming. It sets a grim mood. In Chapter 8 we see some characters we've come to like get threatened and some dark sad backstory. It heightens the tension.

Then we arrive at chapter 9.
And we see Kino doing a dogeza.

And you know what. It was funny. It lightened the atmosphere that was dark up until now, broke the tension and brought in some comedy that's much appreciated, I think. This was fun to read. Very fun.

What wasn't was a joke being dragged on for literal chapters. The joke being told once is enough most of the time (I guess not for you, since you kept coming back and laughing). But you can't expect me to laugh and smile after the 15th time, or worse, somehow find it even funnier the 16th time. This is literally the definition of insanity.

So now, what are people supposed to be feeling? Most sane readers got, in all but name, blueballed for the last 5 chapters out of a possibly good fight (or not, since now that the joke properly, thoroughly explained it, Kino is basically Saitama) and whiplashed from the sudden change of atmosphere from dark to happy dummy rainbows. This is not fun. This is illogical.

You can defend your position as much as you want, bring in all the arguments; please point out to me where the objective fun here is? For you to react this way to people shitting on this means you have to see something funny, entertaining and nice here that absolutely warrants such a staunch defense? Where, exactly, in the last 3 chapters has the fun been present for you?

Maybe if I repeat a joke to you 34 times back to back, you'd actually laugh 34 times too, I dare say you might find the 35th even better too? If yes, then maybe the real problem here has been hinted in your name all along, you might just be an actual bot.

I take issue with this statement. There's nothing inherently wrong with staying in one scene for a long period of time. What matters is that what happens in that scene makes sense to be happening in that scene.

Take for example 12 Angry Men, which is a story that happens entirely in one room, but is one of the best films ever made. Though, I reckon most youths today would be incapable of sitting through it...

And a lot of things are happening in these last few chapters. Not just "one joke stretched out" like your said, but many jokes/gags based on this particular premise.

I see a lot of people complaining about it, and I can only conclude that their brains are so overstimulated by slop that they need the background to constantly change for them to feel like things are happening.

This is why I say that people aren't paying attention to what they're reading.

There isn't, except when there's virtually nothing of note happening. It goes back to what I'm saying. Point out the fun.
And nice of you to bring in 12 Angry Men. People arguing, debating and coming to conclusions that have real consequences in medias is fun and entertaining.

Another more modern/recent example, most Imperial Security Bureau scenes in the Star Wars franchise are literally just people talking in a room. Sure not as long as 12 Angry Men, but the concept is the same. There's no action, no high intensity moments, just people talking and it's still entertaning. Nobody skips them. Why? Because the convesations actually have weight. Those people have power but also limits, they aren't invicible but they also are far from powerless.

Your example is honestly the better one since it shows clearly that a scene doesn't need to change to set an interesting story. But you're forgetting that the content is literally what makes the story.

Tell me where the weight in the conversations in these last few chapters are? We've been staying in the same scene doing virutally fuckall because, at the end of the day, it was shown Kino can literally just rip off the cross off it's foundations and wipe out half the cultists' group in the blink of an eye. It's breaking any suspense or tension that any people might have had. She's simply not doing it because she's dumber than a retarded rock.

Most people started reading this with the premise that she was socially inept, the first pages literally say so, not that she's mentally deficient.

There's no weight, there's no anticipation, there's no drama, there's literally nothing.

Except, no, you're right. Hoshinomiya and Pyonko are flying in a helicopter somewhere above. Woah. That's a lot of things, like.. uhh.. the blade of the helicopters are spinning fast! And the rotor is keeping that helo so stable! You're right, lots of mechanics happening.

You're somehow still not seeing the problem most people have with this. This is simply not entertaning and we're literally in the first dozen chapters of the story. What will this look like in 20/30 chapters?

More than that, people had high expectations for this, and were emotionally invested enough to bring out their anger once shit started to show. You're talking as if most of the people who hate it now hated it at first. No, they loved it and had their expectations betrayed, badly.
If you consider this little rant "a whole thesis"... Man, what a sad world we live in.

But yes. I am happy you provided me with specific examples from the perspective of someone who wasn't paying attention to what they're reading. It was exactly what I needed to prove my point. Thank you.

Also, another thing you've proven to me is that some people are simply incapable of seeing perspectives other than their own.
Thank fuck I said this then:
Your response pissed me off so much I was willing to do a whole thesis on why you're wrong, but fuck it, I hope you're happy with this.
Though if you don't understand that it means I haven't done that thesis in question, then once again, it brings your reading comprehension into question.

But yeah, you're right, some people are generally reading a story based on how the readers' POV is set.

Which in this case seems to be third-person omniscient since we can read everyone's thoughts from a bird's eye view. And generally, a perspective is explicitely shown to be from someone if the story/plot needs it to be, which there's apparently no need for here. This is generally at least how stories are supposed to be setup.

Which means that (now we're into conjecture territory) what we see is also what Kino is seeing too. Which means she saw everyone tied up. Which kinda breaks your starting theory. But this is just a conjecture, and honestly I couldn't care less anymore.

To end this, you've proven that you simply can't relate to proper human emotions and other people, making me wonder if you're legit not an actual bot. Anyway, if you do respond, don't expect one, I don't like arguing over stupid shit.

tldr: u wrong lmao, u bot
 
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Anyway, if you do respond, don't expect one, I don't like arguing over stupid shit.

tldr: u wrong lmao, u bot

Wao, what a way to end your rant. I was ready to start responding so we can have a debate, but then you just ran away from having to defend your points.

Anyway, you've saved me from having to debate a retarded twat, so thank you for that.
 
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Wao, what a way to end your rant. I was ready to start responding so we can have a debate, but then you just ran away from having to defend your points.

Anyway, you've saved me from having to debate a retarded twat, so thank you for that.
Yeah, I'm running away, I don't like arguing over stupid shit, and this is some of the stupidiest. You literally got a problem against people giving out their opinions and you're acting purposefully ignorant, maybe you should put a funny moustache on and a red armband and you'd fit the type.

Clearly you got a stick so far up your ass it's about to come out of your mouth. There's no point in arguing with someone who won't even be properly respectful to other people lmao.

Anyway, go back to being the cave dweller you are bot, unless you're genuinely human, then you're this:
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I don't think we're being unreasonable about negativity? Like a comedy story that isn't funny isn't doing that well. Like comedy is subjective but I feel like it's not that crazy that "Goofy heroine sticks on a cross doing nothing while people die" isn't really something to laugh over when it's repeated for like 7 or 8 chapters now? Like some gags were funny like the guys breaking their weapons and crying over it but they can't make up for majority of chapters being fake tension of "Will the MC actually do something"
Well I mean, if the Japanese readers seem to be enjoying it, and you’re not, it’s clearly just not made for your sense of humour. The people the author actually cares about appealing to are apparently into it though, so yeah, it doesn’t really matter what you say. Just drop it and move on.

Edit: Hey, I feel like deleting this reply would be worse than leaving it up, just because I feel like I shouldn’t hide my mistakes, but I’m realising while reading it that your comment really wasn’t anywhere near bad enough to deserve that sort of snippy, vitriolic response. I don’t know if it’s just because I’ve looked at some of the other comments since then, but compared to them, yours was actually very calm and reasonable. So yeah, sorry about that, I’ll do my best to save that sort of smartass reply for all the actually shitty comments next time.
 
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I left this for two months and we're still on this fucking arc I actually can't. People were bitching about Aishiteru Game's sports fes arc, but at least that one wasn't ragebaiting you every chapter. Holy hell.

EDIT: Just read through all the debating people did here, and honestly it isn't even solely on the type of comedy at this point, its plain bad writing and storyboarding. Kino spent almost half the series so far tied up and playing up this misunderstanding. The time to land the punchline has long passed. I read this in one go and it was lame, I can only imagine if someone had to deal with this weekly. The line between being stupid and being deaf has been crossed and it's almost insulting from the author to sell us on Kino's apparent "idiocy".
 
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Yeah, I'm running away, I don't like arguing over stupid shit, and this is some of the stupidiest. You literally got a problem against people giving out their opinions and you're acting purposefully ignorant, maybe you should put a funny moustache on and a red armband and you'd fit the type.

Clearly you got a stick so far up your ass it's about to come out of your mouth. There's no point in arguing with someone who won't even be properly respectful to other people lmao.

Anyway, go back to being the cave dweller you are bot, unless you're genuinely human, then you're this:
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Jeez man, no need to be an asshole.
 
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Lemme help you, and surely many other future commenters who are going to keep complaining about this story.

We get it. This story isn't for you. Is torturing yourself like this your idea of fun? Drop it and move on.
Wow, that’s some level of commitment to being a sassy asshole! I approve!
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It's funny how the Japanese comments I'm seeing are mostly positive, while people here are unreasonably negative.

This type of story doesn't quite work for foreign audiences, apparently.
It totally works though. Just not for whiny bitches who don’t understand the notion of absurd humor.
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Thank you for the upload, I like that it takes this situation for them to pick up on identifying the rest of the numbers and fleshing out #99 and #222 a bit more. 99 while seeing this situation as a civilization threatening event also sees it as the perfect opportunity to grind in, what amounts to her in terms of her goal, an xp farm. 222 the part time youtube foodie is also related to 99 in some fashion and sees herself as a role model or mentor or possible confidant for her younger relative and interestingly enough is also an archer. I love how this chapter also high lights just how powerful #99 has gotten that no diffing a very dangerous A Rank is no longer even remotely enough to level up her rank. Now it boils back down to determining who will be this series best girl and if you count the recently revealed #2 there's now like 4 to 5 candidates for that title.
 
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I'm so incredibly torn.

On one hand, most complaints are totally valid and the past arc should've been condensed into 3 chapters at most.

On the other hand, this type of trash is so made for me. The amount of enjoyment I've derived from watching Kino be this absolute autistic dumbass with Saitama level powers is immeasureable.

Goddamnit the author better get their shit together:angery:
 
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I just binged this, and while I really do enjoy the humor...boy does everything in this arc feel like it takes twice as long as it should.
 
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Some of the most autistic yammering I've seen outside of reddit so far in this thread...
That aside, glad we're finally moving on from this bit.

To the TL complaining about people not liking the story as much as they do in Japan, and not understanding the character etc.
Obviously they aren't gonna understand, they're looking for something else entirely. They aren't the target audience and they don't get that, nor do they want that to be the case because they do like this work and would enjoy it more if it catered to their tastes. Of course Japanese market sensibilities will be the primary target but if you want to communicate that to people here you're gonna have to speak their language, not yours. You're shouting into the void all the same, just with some more verbosity. If you accompany all of your points with snarky responses you'll undo the progress you make and send them back to 'responding' territory rather than 'understanding'.
 
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I'm so incredibly torn.

On one hand, most complaints are totally valid and the past arc should've been condensed into 3 chapters at most.

On the other hand, this type of trash is so made for me. The amount of enjoyment I've derived from watching Kino be this absolute autistic dumbass with Saitama level powers is immeasureable.

Goddamnit the author better get their shit together:angery:

As I've said, there are legitimate criticisms to be made about how this story is being told. But, I seriously doubt you could write this arc properly in 3 chapters? The pacing is a tad slow for me, but the timing of the jokes is about right? I can think of maybe 1-2 less chapters? And that 2 is sort of pushing it.

And based on the title page, the author also writes Ya Boy Kong Min ( https://mangadex.org/title/8d420fe4-feb4-489e-b37f-6c75771fe8e3/ya-boy-kongming ). So for the Japanese audience at least, he's known for comedic stories. I watched the Anime OP and noped right off. Comedies are some of the weirdest genres. Even assuming good translations for foreign comedies, some comedies just don't translate or are just not funny for other cultures. Not a drag on anyone, just a universal comment, if it's not funny for you, it's not funny for you.
 

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