Danshi Kokoseidakedo Gyaru ni TS Shimashita - Ch. 22.2

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Allow me to make a second comment here. I don't think you guys are seeing the big picture here. To some extent, the point of this manga is for Jun to learn to love being a gyaru, but how can he learn to love having big tits if he doesn't have big tits? I think that what's going to happen is that gyarukami's meddling is going to leave him a cup size bigger than before, and the girls at school are going to notice and be super wholesome and supportive about Jun's "growth," and that's going to cause a psychological change in Jun's mind where he begins to think of boobs as more than "just a burden."

At least, I sure hope that's what's gonna happen.
I think the problem here isn't that she HAD to go back to Gyaru, but the reason and method.
This was the Gyaru God 100% ignoring the MC's desires and preferences, and forcing her into having hte kind of body and looks that she wanted, despite teh MC having finally gotten a body she was happy and comfortable with.
That is not good.
Sure, she may learn to love the Gyaru Body she got over time, but that's not what she wanted at the time.
Meanwhile, this could have been built in a way that wasn't a problem. For example, setting it up like the changes are only temporal, and she would need to got a lot farther into her jouirney to gather enough points to actually make it permanent. At which point, she may actually want it.
 
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I think the problem here isn't that she HAD to go back to Gyaru, but the reason and method.
This was the Gyaru God 100% ignoring the MC's desires and preferences, and forcing her into having hte kind of body and looks that she wanted, despite teh MC having finally gotten a body she was happy and comfortable with.
That is not good.
Sure, she may learn to love the Gyaru Body she got over time, but that's not what she wanted at the time.
Meanwhile, this could have been built in a way that wasn't a problem. For example, setting it up like the changes are only temporal, and she would need to got a lot farther into her jouirney to gather enough points to actually make it permanent. At which point, she may actually want it.
There is no problem here at all to begin with. People are latching onto similarities in this manga with the trans experience and how personal and serious that can be, even when Jun really doesn't seem to have had any strong identity issues at all. That doesn't really mean Jun's identity can't or won't change over time (I imagine it will), but people nevertheless ascribe that "seriousness" to it that I don't think it deserves. Jun's just kind of "comedy upset" at gyarukami, and I don't think people are really respecting that. They just see "she took away his exploration of a body type he was more comfortable with" and get mad at that instead of laughing. I think a more reasonable criticism would've been "they should've devoted a whole chapter to Jun exploring life in this particular form," because that is actually not an emotional criticism but rather a criticism of the narrative not exploring an interesting topic that it only briefly broached.

Anyway, is she acting immature? Sure. If any of this were real, would it be reasonable to step in as a third party and say "don't fucking change his choices without permission"? Sure. But I think it's okay for gyarukami to be completely immature about it, because this is a wholly different moral arena and it allows us to explore how Jun will react to that kind of a thing. Will he develop a grudge of sorts? Will he want to go back? Will those feelings mix with new feelings caused by his friends when he goes back to school, in case he ends up bigger than before? Those are all interesting things that I'm happy to have explored by the manga.

I have a problem, basically, with people saying, "it is wrong that the mangaka wrote this to happen this way"/"this shouldn't have happened as part of the narrative," which is the implication behind a lot of comments here. Like, yeah, it was a dick move, but I like the fact she performed that dick move, because it's going to lead to some interesting followup (potentially). One of the most interesting forms a narrative can take is characters coming to a positive conclusion (Jun realizing he is happier as a gyaru) through both positive circumstance (gyaru cameraderie, affirmations from family/friends, societal benefit) and negative circumstance alike (gyarukami messing with him, having his past essentially stolen, societal demerits). I do not mind stories where positive outcomes erupt from nothing but positive circumstance (the manga about a hero who pulled out a holy sword and became a girl, for example), but I think people are being too harsh on something that just contributes to the richness of the genre. Gyarukami's kind of an immature idiot, and that's okay. We don't have to get mad at her for having character flaws that put the protagonist in interesting situations.
 
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There is no problem here at all to begin with. People are latching onto similarities in this manga with the trans experience and how personal and serious that can be, even when Jun really doesn't seem to have had any strong identity issues at all. That doesn't really mean Jun's identity can't or won't change over time (I imagine it will), but people nevertheless ascribe that "seriousness" to it that I don't think it deserves. Jun's just kind of "comedy upset" at gyarukami, and I don't think people are really respecting that. They just see "she took away his exploration of a body type he was more comfortable with" and get mad at that instead of laughing. I think a more reasonable criticism would've been "they should've devoted a whole chapter to Jun exploring life in this particular form," because that is actually not an emotional criticism but rather a criticism of the narrative not exploring an interesting topic that it only briefly broached.

Anyway, is she acting immature? Sure. If any of this were real, would it be reasonable to step in as a third party and say "don't fucking change his choices without permission"? Sure. But I think it's okay for gyarukami to be completely immature about it, because this is a wholly different moral arena and it allows us to explore how Jun will react to that kind of a thing. Will he develop a grudge of sorts? Will he want to go back? Will those feelings mix with new feelings caused by his friends when he goes back to school, in case he ends up bigger than before? Those are all interesting things that I'm happy to have explored by the manga.

I have a problem, basically, with people saying, "it is wrong that the mangaka wrote this to happen this way"/"this shouldn't have happened as part of the narrative," which is the implication behind a lot of comments here. Like, yeah, it was a dick move, but I like the fact she performed that dick move, because it's going to lead to some interesting followup (potentially). One of the most interesting forms a narrative can take is characters coming to a positive conclusion (Jun realizing he is happier as a gyaru) through both positive circumstance (gyaru cameraderie, affirmations from family/friends, societal benefit) and negative circumstance alike (gyarukami messing with him, having his past essentially stolen, societal demerits). I do not mind stories where positive outcomes erupt from nothing but positive circumstance (the manga about a hero who pulled out a holy sword and became a girl, for example), but I think people are being too harsh on something that just contributes to the richness of the genre. Gyarukami's kind of an immature idiot, and that's okay. We don't have to get mad at her for having character flaws that put the protagonist in interesting situations.
The harshness here comes in expense of gyarukami. The character is shown to instinctively wants everything gyaru. However was shown enough morality to want to help MC out.
I like to think there is a fine line between a character doing something that harms the protagonist and keeps the character likeable.
Usually this kinds of things happen by said character forgetting an important detail or breaking something by mistake etc., to show the character didn't hold malice to the person.
Here however it was shown gyarukami would actively make the protagonist's life worse if she could. Trying to turn them into a cow just to get milk and reverting the changes just to spite MC's choice.
There is a subjective view of what action you might think is humorus. In this case though, I would not consider it unreasonable to be upset on what happened/how.
Just to state, I have nothing against it happening in general and what it brings, but it doesn't mean it can't invoke other emotions other than laughter and bring resentment towards a character. With that if someone can talk about how happy a character made them, you can complain how it made you angry.
 
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That gyaru goddess is begging for a ruthless beatdown.

The Klingons were right to kill their own gods. They are more trouble than they are worth.
 
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People are latching onto similarities in this manga with the trans experience and how personal and serious that can be, even when Jun really doesn't seem to have had any strong identity issues at all.
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Huh?
 
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I think that is an idle thought literally any teenage boy could have at least once or twice in their high schooler years. I wouldn't say it's uncommon to see gaggles of giggling girly girls and go "woah sure looks nice over there."

...Also, just to bring out the big guns, but if Jun had really strong transsexual identity issues, you'd think he'd be much more willing to go "woohoo being a gyaru is great!" from Moment #1.
 
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I think that is an idle thought literally any teenage boy could have at least once or twice in their high schooler years. I wouldn't say it's uncommon to see gaggles of giggling girly girls and go "woah sure looks nice over there."

...Also, just to bring out the big guns, but if Jun had really strong transsexual identity issues, you'd think he'd be much more willing to go "woohoo being a gyaru is great!" from Moment #1.
Lol, I mean Jun kinda was until he/she realized that he/she was being perceived. First thing Jun tried to do was start masturbating. Jun only started complaining once the Gyaru Goddess appears and sees how into it Jun was. Feels like a very classic depiction of ego vs superego, but if we wanna discount every single line and panel that shows Jun having desires to be a girl and being happy at his/her appearance upon changing it to be more feminine, then sure, I don't know what this discussion is about, because anyone can say that it's about anything at that point.
 
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Lol, I mean Jun kinda was until he/she realized that he/she was being perceived. First thing Jun tried to do was start masturbating. Jun only started complaining once the Gyaru Goddess appears and sees how into it Jun was. Feels like a very classic depiction of ego vs superego, but if we wanna discount every single line and panel that shows Jun having desires to be a girl and being happy at his/her appearance upon changing it to be more feminine, then sure, I don't know what this discussion is about, because anyone can say that it's about anything at that point.
If my bygone years asking random normal-types on Omegle "what would you do if you woke up as the opposite sex" are anything to go by, "jerking off immediately" is an extremely universal reaction to being genderbent. Not trans-indicative by any measure. There's no "discounting" going on here at all. If anything, other people are doing the opposite and reading too much into certain things. Jun is more aptly described as "curious" on these topics rather than having actual identity issues.
 
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If my bygone years asking random normal-types on Omegle "what would you do if you woke up as the opposite sex" are anything to go by, "jerking off immediately" is an extremely universal reaction to being genderbent. Not trans-indicative by any measure. There's no "discounting" going on here at all. If anything, other people are doing the opposite and reading too much into certain things. Jun is more aptly described as "curious" on these topics rather than having actual identity issues.
Maybe that's fair. I don't really agree with you, but I can see your point. My point still remains that this is a story, not a collection of random thoughts from a teenage boy, and the fact that it opens with him/her wishing to be a girl, and then being happy when it happens isn't a coincidence, but a conscious decision made by the author.

Edit: and more to the point, your comment about him "not having identity issues" runs up directly against the very first pages of the manga itself placing emphasis on the character struggling with identity issues. I think that's just blatantly incorrect.
 
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...Also, just to bring out the big guns, but if Jun had really strong transsexual identity issues, you'd think he'd be much more willing to go "woohoo being a gyaru is great!" from Moment #1.
You'd think so, right? However, speaking from experience, the idea of Jun being trans while behaving this way is completely believable to me. Denial is a hell of a thing.
 
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Yeah, this one is 100% the Gyaru God's fault. She should easily have been able to reason out that this would end badly.

Not only is Jun traumatized now, but possibly the clerk too, who just saw someone shapeshift in front of her very eyes.
Well that god does like to mess around a lot
 

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