Kimi wa Yotsuba no Clover - Vol. 8 Ch. 72 - Someone's Testament

[zedla7]

Damn, stepping on a lego does hurt but I didn't think it could go that far

 

[zips]

Imagine being this mad about pronouns lol

 

[arimareiji]

Singular they is perfectly grammatically correct when referencing an unknown, but Rei knows who it is, so him saying it doesn't actually make any sense (unless he is trying to obfuscate on purpose). However, for the readers, we're not privy to that information yet, so it's a disconnect simply caused by the difference in how Japanese and English work.

Not specific to this occasion, it's something I've been pondering for years and years: The older I get, the less I understand why "he" and "she" are considered so vital.

If we need distinguishing identifiers other than name so badly, it'd make more sense to refer to people as "green shoes" or "short red hair" or whatnot. They'd be more specific than "approximately half of a species" or "approximately (other) half of a species". Not to mention, often more visibly unambiguous without needing to make people undress.

 

[Mattoskre]

This shit gonna keep power scaling till the prime minister of Japan wants the MC to kill himself.

 

[CommanderYammarkX6]

Thanks for the translation! I hate singular "they/them" too, why not use "that person" instead? I believe there was some space for it.

Hear me out. What if there are actually more than one 'Clovers' roaming around? We are dealing with Time Travel shenanigans after all and Yotsuha made a blunder of surrendering her watch to be studied by strangers in a world of shitty adults.

 

[Trin4life]

Is it my imagination or are people's backstories/behaviours growing increasingly stupid ridiculous?

 

[xr900]

this is the case of good riddance

 

[Kaito57]

imagine being a grown adult beefing with a 6th grader

So tough and manly lol

 

[Edrikhtg]

Bro why is everyone in this manga is so miserable wtf

 

[Edrikhtg]

If we need distinguishing identifiers other than name so badly, it'd make more sense to refer to people as "green shoes" or "short red hair" or whatnot. They'd be more specific than "approximately half of a species" or "approximately (other) half of a species". Not to mention, often more visibly unambiguous without needing to make people undress.

When it comes to identification, the more detailed it is, the better.

It may sound ridiculous but if you go outside often enough, you can tell from a glance which are women and men. Not even from the style they rocking, you can tell from their face, their voice, their gesture sometimes too. So if you can pin point that, it's already a huge lead. Not because for what they are but because for what they aren't.

English doesn't have the pronouns that doesn't have pronouns so the language resort to some weird failsafe, which is they. Same weirdness happen when you wanna use not in "am i?", where it becomes "aren't i?" because "amnt i?" doesn't roll the tongue as much.

Idk man, english is weird.

 

[LordofLeechers]

Friendly reminder that having a shit upbringing does not excuse you for being a shit person. An explanation is not an excuse.

 

[cybeast21]

Dad is probably stressed out from work and lashed at his family.

I wonder if that person is also from the future?

 

[Furiza_03]

Fuu being Clover is getting more and more confirmed with this chapter to me

 

[Septazia]

Bro why is everyone in this manga is so miserable wtf

Maybe it will end like [a time travel series] where they are part of a world accidentally created by someone else and to fix that mistake they all get erased (and most of them deserved it)

 

[RollOmega]

imagine being a grown adult beefing with a 6th grader

Imagine being a grown adult beefing with a word

(Not you, of course)

 

[bradboy102]

When it comes to identification, the more detailed it is, the better.

It may sound ridiculous but if you go outside often enough, you can tell from a glance which are women and men. Not even from the style they rocking, you can tell from their face, their voice, their gesture sometimes too. So if you can pin point that, it's already a huge lead. Not because for what they are but because for what they aren't.

English doesn't have the pronouns that doesn't have pronouns so the language resort to some weird failsafe, which is they. Same weirdness happen when you wanna use not in "am i?", where it becomes "aren't i?" because "amnt i?" doesn't roll the tongue as much.

Idk man, english is weird.

I nominate the use of 'amn't going forward, as well as the re-normalizing of 'shan't.'

 

[Zikeang]

Imagine being a grown adult beefing with a word

(Not you, of course)

two grown adults*

 

[shelliana]

Also we got two new names: Yotsuha's family name (or at least the one she used before re-adoption), and Fuu's family name. I'm not convinced the name on the heel isn't the name of Yotsuha's dad. I don't think she's some secret lovechild either.

The name Oozora comes from the orphanage Yotsuha was left at, see chapter 38.
Him calling the person "he" is just translation. Mastermind's gender is always vague in Japanese but English doesn't let you sidestep it nearly as much.

Regarding the size of the figure, that's one thing that leaves me unsure even as a raw reader. I think it's possible that it's just a representation and sort of a red herring because a lot of other things point to a person we already know.

 

[Bonzalez]

oooooo... so Rei-kun ended up like this because of his L father and his sickly mom, the flashback is pretty sad and makes feel for him. but honestly, he’s still trash in my eyes and I’m sure the silhouette of person who made Rei-kun make Uichi suffer is Yotsuha’s stepmother

thank you for translating

No, "Sensei" was Yotsuha's stepmother and I'm pretty confident the blanked out name of who was killed is Sensei. This chapter is making it seem more likely Clover is Yotsuha's stepbrother imo

 

[syketuri]

Okay, wow, this is pathetic.

"You want to be friends with me? But I'm lame, so fuck you. And just for that imma make you kill yourself because some random person told me to."

Not typically to the point of killing people, but you gotta realize abuse and trauma does this in real life, man. If you were to be abused since childhood in the same way as Rei, it becomes very difficult to break out of these thinking patterns alone. This KID has been abused enough to believe himself worthless, incompetent, etc. to the point that he gets angry whenever he’s not receiving that same spite from others, because it’s all he knows. To Rei, Uichi inviting him to play and being friends with him is jarring, because most of the people in his life who are supposed to lift him up (parents, classmates) have instead pushed him down. Rei is distrustful of anything positive because he has been baked in negativity from birth. This manifests in the way he loathes Uichi just for being friends with him, because Rei is likely just waiting for the whole group to put up their arms and say “It was a trick! We actually all hate you, you incompetent idiot!”

TLR Trauma and abuse in early childhood absolutely will leave people in such states where they loathe those in their life who show them love, only because they have been conditioned to fear affection, after their care givers turn out to be the abusers.