Majutsushi Kunon wa Miete Iru - Vol. 4 Ch. 24 - Checking Answers

[MangaDex]

 

[rudezki]

I'm glad my boy isn't a transphobe.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

Translator-san you might want to edit the pronouns Kunon uses in the part where he says he will respect the fact she is a maiden and treat her as a maiden. Seems a tad weird for him to say he will respect that she’s a maiden but then use the “he” pronoun at the same time he’s saying it

 

[sirmidor]

'Heart of a maiden' is a longstanding trope for a crossdresser, an otokonoko. It is not the same as trans-anything. Please don't turn another country's culture into a Westernized reductive label and then start making demands that people cater to your delusions, thanks.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

'Heart of a maiden' is a longstanding trope for a crossdresser, an otokonoko. It is not the same as trans-anything. Please don't turn another country's culture into a Westernized reductive label and then start making demands that people cater to your delusions, thanks.

OR we can go with the fact they are indeed a woman as that’s literally what the novel says she is. She is trans girl so fuck off ya transphobic POS

 

[TNT261]

It's 2026 surely we've learned how to have a civilized totally not heated conversation about [insert literally anything here] by now...

I like the kid acting like a kid. It's cute.

 

[UWOOGH]

Translator-san you might want to edit the pronouns Kunon uses in the part where he says he will respect the fact she is a maiden and treat her as a maiden. Seems a tad weird for him to say he will respect that she’s a maiden but then use the “he” pronoun at the same time he’s saying it

'Heart of a maiden' is a longstanding trope for a crossdresser, an otokonoko. It is not the same as trans-anything. Please don't turn another country's culture into a Westernized reductive label and then start making demands that people cater to your delusions, thanks.

OR we can go with the fact they are indeed a woman as that’s literally what the novel says she is. She is trans girl so fuck off ya transphobic POS

Respectfully, I'm not very familiar with topics like these, so I may have used inconsistent pronouns throughout the chapter. Sorry about that. To avoid confusion, I'll just use names instead of pronouns from the next chapter onward.

 

[DirtEater21]

Thank you for the translation

 

[Pen3]

OR we can go with the fact they are indeed a woman as that’s literally what the novel says she is. She is trans girl so fuck off ya transphobic POS

Its just a phase, he will grow out of it.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

Respectfully, I'm not very familiar with topics like these, so I may have used inconsistent pronouns throughout the chapter. Sorry about that. To avoid confusion, I'll just use names instead of pronouns from the next chapter onward.

Why though? Just go with what the text says which is that they’re a girl

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

Its just a phase, he will grow out of it.

Oh look, yet another transphobe.

 

[LecherousLeech]

Respectfully, I'm not very familiar with topics like these, so I may have used inconsistent pronouns throughout the chapter. Sorry about that. To avoid confusion, I'll just use names instead of pronouns from the next chapter onward.

What does the actual Japanese use though? Does it use something like boku vs atashi? Does it give any indication of what gendered language they’re using?

 

[ButlerShurkbait]

'Heart of a maiden' is a longstanding trope for a crossdresser, an otokonoko. It is not the same as trans-anything. Please don't turn another country's culture into a Westernized reductive label and then start making demands that people cater to your delusions, thanks.

I have read the translated novel. Cassis is referred to with she/her pronouns by Kunon (though the narration continues to use he/him).

Its just a phase, he will grow out of it.

Why do you think that? Are you able to look into other people’s minds and determine what they’re thinking?

yeah, we call it "mental illness" here

This is false.

 

[ButlerShurkbait]

Respectfully, I'm not very familiar with topics like these, so I may have used inconsistent pronouns throughout the chapter. Sorry about that. To avoid confusion, I'll just use names instead of pronouns from the next chapter onward.

I’m afraid this compromise will not work as well as you think it will as it will cause flow issues and may just be difficult to read.
Take the sentence from the novel:
“She told me she has the 'heart of a girl'”

If you sidestep the third-person pronouns by using her name alone, it becomes:
“Cassis told me Cassis has the 'heart of a girl'”

Which does not read right at all.

I am of the opinion that you should use she/her when having characters (at the very least Kunon) refer to Cassis in the third person.

 

[UWOOGH]

Why though? Just go with what the text says which is that they’re a girl

I’m afraid this compromise will not work as well as you think it will as it will cause flow issues and may just be difficult to read.
Take the sentence from the novel:
“She told me she has the 'heart of a girl'”

If you sidestep the third-person pronouns by using her name alone, it becomes:
“Cassis told me Cassis has the 'heart of a girl'”

Which does not read right at all.

I am of the opinion that you should use she/her when having characters (at the very least Kunon) refer to Cassis in the third person.

The sentence you mentioned is written as
心は乙女と言われたよ
Kokoro wa otome to iwareta yo.
Literally no mention of any pronouns. But you can't omit it in English.

The only time pronouns have been used for Cassis is -

だから僕は彼を彼女と認めることにしたよ
(Dakara boku wa kare o kanojo to mitomeru koto ni shita yo)
"That's why I decided to respect his wishes and acknowledge him as a woman."

• 彼 (kare) = his
• 彼女 (kanojo) = woman

Beyond that there's NO pronouns used at all. Japanese commonly omits subjects and objects when they're understood from context.
Like-

カシスまで…何かしたな...
(Kashisu made... nanika shita na...)

Literal translation would be:

"Even Cassis... did something, huh."

But who did and to whom? For a natural eng translation we have to make it-

"Even Cassis... he must have done something to him."

Another example...

本当に男なの？
(Honto ni otoko na no?)

Literal translation-

"Really a man?"

To make it more natural-

"Is he really a man?

Neither "he" nor "him" appears in the jp sentence. Eng sounds unnatural without specifying who is acting and who is being acted upon.

 

[ButlerShurkbait]

The sentence you mentioned is written as
心は乙女と言われたよ
Kokoro wa otome to iwareta yo.
Literally no mention of any pronouns. But you can't omit it in English.

The only time pronouns have been used for Cassis is -

だから僕は彼を彼女と認めることにしたよ
(Dakara boku wa kare o kanojo to mitomeru koto ni shita yo)
"That's why I decided to respect his wishes and acknowledge him as a woman."

• 彼 (kare) = his
• 彼女 (kanojo) = woman

Beyond that there's NO pronouns used at all. Japanese commonly omits subjects and objects when they're understood from context.
Like-

カシスまで…何かしたな...
(Kashisu made... nanika shita na...)

Literal translation would be:

"Even Cassis... did something, huh."

But who did and to whom? For a natural eng translation we have to make it-

"Even Cassis... he must have done something to him."

Another example...

本当に男なの？
(Honto ni otoko na no?)

Literal translation-

"Really a man?"

To make it more natural-

"Is he really a man?

Neither "he" nor "him" appears in the jp sentence. Eng sounds unnatural without specifying who is acting and who is being acted upon.

I understand Japanese doesn’t typically use pronouns when they can be understood from context. I’m saying that using Cassis’s name in English when third-person pronouns are typically expected will cause problems.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

The sentence you mentioned is written as
心は乙女と言われたよ
Kokoro wa otome to iwareta yo.
Literally no mention of any pronouns. But you can't omit it in English.

The only time pronouns have been used for Cassis is -

だから僕は彼を彼女と認めることにしたよ
(Dakara boku wa kare o kanojo to mitomeru koto ni shita yo)
"That's why I decided to respect his wishes and acknowledge him as a woman."

• 彼 (kare) = his
• 彼女 (kanojo) = woman

Beyond that there's NO pronouns used at all. Japanese commonly omits subjects and objects when they're understood from context.
Like-

カシスまで…何かしたな...
(Kashisu made... nanika shita na...)

Literal translation would be:

"Even Cassis... did something, huh."

But who did and to whom? For a natural eng translation we have to make it-

"Even Cassis... he must have done something to him."

Another example...

本当に男なの？
(Honto ni otoko na no?)

Literal translation-

"Really a man?"

To make it more natural-

"Is he really a man?

Neither "he" nor "him" appears in the jp sentence. Eng sounds unnatural without specifying who is acting and who is being acted upon.

I’m going off the novel which has “she” and “her” pronouns used for Cassis. I always recommend going with what’s in the novel as it makes translations way easier

 

[Yazas]

Yes please do shorten your life expectancy. The world would be in a much better place with less transphobes in it

well... but its not me that actively shorten life expectancy tho

 

[MeePotato]

man, I was expecting people making fun of kunon for misidentifying cassis, didnt expect people duking it out for that

 

[OmNSLAA]

Ah a good day to report transphobia.