Kimi ga Shinu made Koi o Shitai - Vol. 9 Ch. 42 - My Love

[mrzuzz786]

That might hold if they'd been shown to do a single thing to actually protect students from being sent to fight. Have they ? Even when it comes to Sheena they'd done their best so that she's useful to the war effort.

"The people sending child soldiers to the war front want the children to make it back" doesn't exactly excuse the fact that they're helping send children to the war front, you know ?

If they actually wanted to help, they'd be the ones on the battlefield...


Oh, give me a break. "I put a weapon in a child's hand, I'm sad it lead to that child being killed" isn't care, it's immoral idiocy. What they need isn't being shown as victims who genuinely suffer from the situation. What they need is a reflection of what they could have done differently.

Pretending they're not to blame and are hurt that the children died is purely trying to pass the offender for a victim.

I believe your on point. I still don’t understand the teachers.

 

[KitsuKyouno]

I think, they should focus on the presents and leave this issues when eventually happend.
oh course their relationship will change but is not and emergency

 

[thef1shhasturnd]

If you haven't seen the anime then I suggest you do, it added a lot of scene that fleshed out their characters more.


If they die in the battlefield, what then? More uncaring, apathetic teachers and nurses might replace them, and that would just make the students' lives worse. Their hands are tied and there is not much they could do, which might change later in the story idk.

Again, I would suggest watching the anime because it does a much better job at this. In the anime it's very clear that they blame themselves for every death that we see.

I really think this person (I mean this with no ill intent) already has very strong opinion about the teachers that won't change regardless if they watch the anime or not.

I do agree with you that the anime does a way better job at showing how the teachers are affected by the war that isn't just them sending the kids to the warfront while they drink tea and strategize. Furthermore, there is just so much we still do not know about the war itself or the "grimoire" and why magical children seem to the be temporary answer to the war at the moment.

Seeing Omi's reaction to the death of Laura really changed how I viewed her relationship amongst the students. Fran for me seems very on par with what we see in the manga but more direct with her presence among the children, at least for me that's how I see Fran in the anime compared to the manga (in a very general sense).

 

[Ichigo69]

I really think this person (I mean this with no ill intent) already has very strong opinion about the teachers that won't change regardless if they watch the anime or not.

I do agree with you that the anime does a way better job at showing how the teachers are affected by the war that isn't just them sending the kids to the warfront while they drink tea and strategize. Furthermore, there is just so much we still do not know about the war itself or the "grimoire" and why magical children seem to the be temporary answer to the war at the moment.

Seeing Omi's reaction to the death of Laura really changed how I viewed her relationship amongst the students. Fran for me seems very on par with what we see in the manga but more direct with her presence among the children, at least for me that's how I see Fran in the anime compared to the manga (in a very general sense).

I get the feeling that the "teachers" might be more or less forced into the situations they're both in and are p. much trying to cope with a VERY shitty situation the best they know how...
However, I get the strong sense that they both really care about the kids very much, but they just show it and cope with the situation in very different ways...

 

[raineight]

Commonly, the justification for using magical child soldiers is that they're more powerful than your adults. E.g. in Nanoha you can have freakish superpowered prodigies more powerful than most people alive. In Railgun, you don't have soldiers per se, but the setting conceit of advancing 'esper' training means that at the moment, your most powerful people (outside of the 'magic' world) are teens; current adults were too old to get the neat training. In Symphogear, it's not clear why all the Gear users are teen girls (though some of them were experimental orphans), but they are, so you use them. I assume Simoun had a reason for using pre-Change 'girls' as pilots, though don't really remember.

We got a hint of that being true here (more explicit in the anime version than in the fan TL of the manga, with a line about students being more effective than soldiers), but given the long age of magic in the setting, and lack of other worldbuilding, it's hard to see why 16 year olds would be peak fighters.

Of course the other reason is that you're just that desperate for soldiers.

 

[Ichigo69]

I assume Simoun had a reason for using pre-Change 'girls' as pilots, though don't really remember.

Post-change Simoun characters are physically unable to fly a Simoun. The Simoun rejects them if they try. i.e. If you went thru the water and chose a sex, you became unable to fly a Simoun ever again. That's one of the main things in the series and why Tempus and Spatium Aeru and Neveril didn't go thru the water. They're flying theirs and looking over everybody else forever.

(Damn, that was nice. I haven't had a Simoun conversation in forever (and it's still my all-time favourite anime).

 

[raineight]

So Dominura was just that tall and adult-looking without Changing?

 

[Ichigo69]

So Dominura was just that tall and adult-looking without Changing?

Yep. I think she might've been like 17 or so... IDR...
Neveril was pretty mature looking, too...

 

[Kitsune_115]

Ngl that made me teared up

 

[Dohyun]

THE SIGNS ARE SHOWING...

 

[MelonManic]

Neat
I been enjoying the anime while awaiting, it's truly fantastic btw
I love everything it adds to it
I pray there's a second season but Yuri anime has this odd bad habit of stopping after the one so I dunno

Oop
Damn nightmares
YOU SHALL NOT RUIN MY GIRLS HAPPINESS

Ah yes cut of the hair
A reminder one ages, while the other doesn't...
Just gonna sweep that future issue under the rug, thats not a today issue I'm sure

TILL NEXT TIME
HAVE A NICE DAY

 

[raineight]

I pray there's a second season

Yeah, the anime seems likely to end before getting to the next good stuff, like explaining the war, or the first kiss. Anime-onlies are gonna be frustrated.

 

[tosyl_chloride]

Just when we've been getting too comfortable with Sheena and Mimi's honeymoon volume, the author just has to remind us of Sheena's mortality creeping around the corner. And it's not even death in combat either, just plain ol' inevitable death by old age itself

 

[phoenixir]

Sheena is going to have to be a field medi. Eventually. And that's where we'll  truly have to worry.

 

[pankeekitl]

I wonder what will Aono Nachi sensei do next time, looking forward to it!!!

 

[Sekraan]

Commonly, the justification for using magical child soldiers is that they're more powerful than your adults. E.g. in Nanoha you can have freakish superpowered prodigies more powerful than most people alive. In Railgun, you don't have soldiers per se, but the setting conceit of advancing 'esper' training means that at the moment, your most powerful people (outside of the 'magic' world) are teens; current adults were too old to get the neat training. In Symphogear, it's not clear why all the Gear users are teen girls (though some of them were experimental orphans), but they are, so you use them. I assume Simoun had a reason for using pre-Change 'girls' as pilots, though don't really remember.

We got a hint of that being true here (more explicit in the anime version than in the fan TL of the manga, with a line about students being more effective than soldiers), but given the long age of magic in the setting, and lack of other worldbuilding, it's hard to see why 16 year olds would be peak fighters.

Of course the other reason is that you're just that desperate for soldiers.

The world building doesn't hold up very well. If mages are prized combatants and you are having issues supplying enough soldiers, then sending your child mages into the meat grinder to get killed before they are fully trained is a braindead choice from a strategic standpoint.

 

[Bielna]

If they die in the battlefield, what then? More uncaring, apathetic teachers and nurses might replace them, and that would just make the students' lives worse. Their hands are tied and there is not much they could do, which might change later in the story idk.

Again, I would suggest watching the anime because it does a much better job at this. In the anime it's very clear that they blame themselves for every death that we see.

This is the Nuremberg defense. "I was just a cog, I couldn't do anything else, someone else would have done the same."
Meanwhile the system keeps working because people like them keep supporting it. I'm honestly quite surprised people who be so defensive of those who participate in turning children into soldiers, when those characters show no resistance or attempt to change course.

thef1shhasturnd is absolutely right - I already have strong opinions and those teachers and I can guarantee you watching the anime wouldn't change it. I'm also amused that you think "watch it, it would give you a better opinion of people who train child soldiers" is something that would sell me on the show.

I do agree with you that the anime does a way better job at showing how the teachers are affected by the war that isn't just them sending the kids to the warfront while they drink tea and strategize. Furthermore, there is just so much we still do not know about the war itself or the "grimoire" and why magical children seem to the be temporary answer to the war at the moment.

Seeing Omi's reaction to the death of Laura really changed how I viewed her relationship amongst the students. Fran for me seems very on par with what we see in the manga but more direct with her presence among the children, at least for me that's how I see Fran in the anime compared to the manga (in a very general sense).

Again, what do they do about it ? Have they taken a single action to stop children being sent to the battlefield except send even more children to the battlefield ? I'll say it again. If her defense is : "I trained child soldiers, I sent child soldiers to the battlefield, one of them die, now I feel sad"... Then I don't think feeling sad absolves you of your participation.

And even if "someone else would have taken their place if they didn't do it", in the end, I hope someone will come out and condemn the use of child soldiers, and punish those who participated in that violations of human rights. And I don't mean it as some gruesome display of revenge. Prison would be fitting.

But for the love of the goddess, don't tell me "feeling sad about a crime I willingly helped with" absolves them of their crimes. It doesn't.

Now, maybe they actually could redeem themselves, at least partly ! If eventually they do something instead of just feeling sad of the thing they're complicit to, they might earn some credit back ! While so far they have shown no sign of it, they could either be acting undercover, or simply change their mind later, hopefully when it's neither too little nor too late.

 

[Mashii52]

But for the love of the goddess, don't tell me "feeling sad about a crime I willingly helped with" absolves them of their crimes. It doesn't.

No one said this btw, the entire conversation was about whether the teachers are evil or not. You said they are "absolute monster", me and others said that they're people stuck in a horrible situation, thats it.
Anyway, let's just agree to disagree and let this conversation die already, it has been 6 whole weeks since it started.

 

[raineight]

It's easy to get self-righteous and high on your horse when you're sitting safe at home. Rules bend for survival. The situation is pretty shady, but at face value it's a defensive war for survival, where (for some reason) the school's students are more effective than ordinary adult soldiers.

The one thing we know about the enemy is that they're willing to keep attacking and killing child soldiers.

One could fairly criticize the author for excessive vagueness about the setting, but given the vagueness, it's hard to justify a strong opinion about teacher culpability. "If we did things differently, more children would die" seems a real possibility.

 

[thef1shhasturnd]

This is the Nuremberg defense. "I was just a cog, I couldn't do anything else, someone else would have done the same."
Meanwhile the system keeps working because people like them keep supporting it. I'm honestly quite surprised people who be so defensive of those who participate in turning children into soldiers, when those characters show no resistance or attempt to change course.

thef1shhasturnd is absolutely right - I already have strong opinions and those teachers and I can guarantee you watching the anime wouldn't change it. I'm also amused that you think "watch it, it would give you a better opinion of people who train child soldiers" is something that would sell me on the show.


Again, what do they do about it ? Have they taken a single action to stop children being sent to the battlefield except send even more children to the battlefield ? I'll say it again. If her defense is : "I trained child soldiers, I sent child soldiers to the battlefield, one of them die, now I feel sad"... Then I don't think feeling sad absolves you of your participation.

And even if "someone else would have taken their place if they didn't do it", in the end, I hope someone will come out and condemn the use of child soldiers, and punish those who participated in that violations of human rights. And I don't mean it as some gruesome display of revenge. Prison would be fitting.

But for the love of the goddess, don't tell me "feeling sad about a crime I willingly helped with" absolves them of their crimes. It doesn't.

Now, maybe they actually could redeem themselves, at least partly ! If eventually they do something instead of just feeling sad of the thing they're complicit to, they might earn some credit back ! While so far they have shown no sign of it, they could either be acting undercover, or simply change their mind later, hopefully when it's neither too little nor too late.

What if the world were made out of pudding? Would that change your opinion?