Ai ga Omoi Jirai-kei Vampire
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If this is the remake, where's the original?
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Incest plots are not so bad, what's bad is when sibling becomes a third wheel and a major detergent for progression.
In any case this manga already has pretty stupid stuff. Both parents are alive, working overseas (meaning they have good salary) but brother despite having worser chances in life is still forced to take care of siblings. Time, energy and money as if he is their parent. Loving your siblings is already good enough, helping them on occasions is plenty.
Their parents are outright trash if they don't know that their son is squandering his future and life in order to uplift his siblings. Any normal parent has to have that understanding. Author probably doesn't understand this since they have 0 family or children, but any good/normal parent would get the clue why oldest child is still living in paternal house with no partner in sight. If not in first months then in 3 fucking years 100%.
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I can see where you're coming from, but you completely lose me at thinking siblings being romantically interested in each other isn't weird...
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Incest thing, let's say for example step-siblings (I know incest means blood related but people always confuse this so i adapt towards general population understanding). Many people bitch about step siblings romance (non-blood related), especially when they became steps in their 15 and up years...and they call it gross. I'm appalled by that, must a social fabricated title produce some sort of hormone for you to reject feeling infatuated by a person?
If they are step-siblings from a young age it gets a little bit complicated but in general once again if you remove the fact that they are sleeping under one roof it's like a childhood friend....The only boon about this is that it's quite risky if they are stupid (having ability to have sex at a younger age than normally). In case of a break up it can somewhat also affect their parents but it's a double edged sword and it can actually make them a stronger couple due to understanding that being bad can backfire harder than separate households.
FYI step parent and step child is a definite NONO. A lot of problematic things arise from that.
If they are step-siblings from a young age it gets a little bit complicated but in general once again if you remove the fact that they are sleeping under one roof it's like a childhood friend....The only boon about this is that it's quite risky if they are stupid (having ability to have sex at a younger age than normally). In case of a break up it can somewhat also affect their parents but it's a double edged sword and it can actually make them a stronger couple due to understanding that being bad can backfire harder than separate households.
FYI step parent and step child is a definite NONO. A lot of problematic things arise from that.
As for blood siblings...I do not approve of it solely based on chances of genetic mutation in children. Also i strongly advise against it due to social constraints i.e. people like to spread rumors and push people with non-normal inclinations.
I do not have opposite gender siblings but i do not strongly oppose it as long as children are not involved. Not only because child has larger chances of having a defect but also because they might be bullied and thus damaged greatly.
I brooded about this theme for quite some time and made my research.
I ask you, logically why do you think it's bad if we exclude children appearing?
I do not have opposite gender siblings but i do not strongly oppose it as long as children are not involved. Not only because child has larger chances of having a defect but also because they might be bullied and thus damaged greatly.
I brooded about this theme for quite some time and made my research.
I ask you, logically why do you think it's bad if we exclude children appearing?
As an example it became a taboo only due to church AND general aversion towards disabled children but was heavily practiced by many nobles and even ordinary folk until this knowledge became common knowledge. For example even to this day many muslims approve 1st degree cousin relationship and many other countries are ok with 2nd degree and etc. Heck look at USA laws, some states approve cousin marriages.
Do not worry a tried to research many taboo questions in our society(Not trying to push an agenda here), incest was just one of those things, many of taboos have quite a strong power even today. Incest for example among siblings lost it grip due to normalization of not having children and inventions of contraceptives. Incest among parents and children though, has many bad tones socially, like grooming for example.
Do not worry a tried to research many taboo questions in our society(Not trying to push an agenda here), incest was just one of those things, many of taboos have quite a strong power even today. Incest for example among siblings lost it grip due to normalization of not having children and inventions of contraceptives. Incest among parents and children though, has many bad tones socially, like grooming for example.
Taboo and any traditional things in general should be revisited. In my search for taboo and traditional things (basically what we can and cannot do) i found some taboo themes to lose their validity whilst grew stronger against other taboo things. Same as for traditions, to the point that i do not follow many traditions that i should have culturally. I pick those that sound logical and even converse with people in order to have more opinions if I should embrace or discard it.
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I can't believe I'm entertaining you considering you think romantic blood-related sibling relationships are ok as long as there's no children (Seriously you need to see a psychiatrist) but it seems I have no choice.
Incestuous relationships, can lead to severe psychological distress, including feelings of guilt, shame, betrayal, and difficulty forming healthy relationships later in life. Incest can disrupt the social fabric of a family and community, leading to feelings of isolation and stigma for those involved. The degree of psychological harm from incest can vary based on factors like the nature of the relationship, the age of those involved, and the level of coercion. But regardless it shouldn't even be considered in the first place.
It's genuinely disgusting and deeply disturbing that you'd think "I do not strongly oppose it as long as children are not involved." When accidents are practically guaranteed and a society where it is normalized would lead to very, very bad genetic mutations.
Not to even mention that a part of our brain actively blocks feelings of incest for said reasons. (Yes some do not feel this but that is likely a disorder such as autism, ect.)
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In any case thank you for entertaining the discussion. I don't have any blood or non blood related opposite sex siblings nor did i ever feel any feelings towards my family members. That's just to be clear before i continue.
1st I will disregard the psychiatrist commentary, if you think discussion is bad, i feel sorry. It's your personal feelings and social bias in my opinion, if society as a whole will be forced to listen that incest is good the tone will change. Propaganda and indoctrination works in both ways, it can teach us good things and it can teach us bad things.
Like decades ago being gay was regarded as something bad and devious but for some reason now it changed. And the reason being, anti-gay propaganda was banned whilst pro-gay propaganda was introduced and the general tone of public also changed.
Incestuous relationships, can lead to severe psychological distress, including feelings of guilt, shame, betrayal, and difficulty forming healthy relationships later in life.
Like decades ago being gay was regarded as something bad and devious but for some reason now it changed. And the reason being, anti-gay propaganda was banned whilst pro-gay propaganda was introduced and the general tone of public also changed.
Incestuous relationships, can lead to severe psychological distress, including feelings of guilt, shame, betrayal, and difficulty forming healthy relationships later in life.
Distress, guilt, shame - Are purely formed because of social reasons. I think i've already said it in general terms as social problems. You feel those feelings exactly because everyone around you thinks it's bad and thus we as creatures who mimic each other and gain affirmation through other would feel these things due to social stigma.
Betrayal - is kind of random word in this i think, i think feelings of betrayal can only be ascribed if it's one-sided or forced relationships. One thinks you have pure sibling relationship whilst the other thinks it's also sexual. I kind of agree with you on that point if you meant that in this context. I actually think if you have one-sided love towards your sibling (or any other family member), you should keep your contact to them to the minimum. It can indeed cause massive problems especially coupled with the 1st point about it being unacceptable behavior in our current socium. It indeed can cause feeling of betrayal from that family member(justified) and you who is infatuated by a family member will also feel betrayed due to your feelings not being reciprocated (unjustified, you cannot demand the same feelings from another person).
Difficulty forming healthy relationships - On a fence here, it strongly depends on situation. The difficulty of forming healthy relationships is loose term that can apply to anything. For example if you don't have one of the parents this factor will also arise. Or if you had a cheating partner beforehand it also arises. With incestious relationship though i can see that problem arising but not in all cases. For example once again while it is a social stigma it will be a detergent, you cannot speak about it with other people and any secrecy usually beings difficulty in forming relationships. Also i can see it as a childhood friend effect, if you had relationship with your sibling (and they were good), you will also demand almost the same level of deep and long-lasting relationship of other partners, which is hard to achieve due to sheer time you spent together. As an example people who prefer to have long term partners (and had only long term partners) will usually have very bad chemistry with sluts (males and females).
Betrayal - is kind of random word in this i think, i think feelings of betrayal can only be ascribed if it's one-sided or forced relationships. One thinks you have pure sibling relationship whilst the other thinks it's also sexual. I kind of agree with you on that point if you meant that in this context. I actually think if you have one-sided love towards your sibling (or any other family member), you should keep your contact to them to the minimum. It can indeed cause massive problems especially coupled with the 1st point about it being unacceptable behavior in our current socium. It indeed can cause feeling of betrayal from that family member(justified) and you who is infatuated by a family member will also feel betrayed due to your feelings not being reciprocated (unjustified, you cannot demand the same feelings from another person).
Difficulty forming healthy relationships - On a fence here, it strongly depends on situation. The difficulty of forming healthy relationships is loose term that can apply to anything. For example if you don't have one of the parents this factor will also arise. Or if you had a cheating partner beforehand it also arises. With incestious relationship though i can see that problem arising but not in all cases. For example once again while it is a social stigma it will be a detergent, you cannot speak about it with other people and any secrecy usually beings difficulty in forming relationships. Also i can see it as a childhood friend effect, if you had relationship with your sibling (and they were good), you will also demand almost the same level of deep and long-lasting relationship of other partners, which is hard to achieve due to sheer time you spent together. As an example people who prefer to have long term partners (and had only long term partners) will usually have very bad chemistry with sluts (males and females).
All other sentences and words you said are purely social factors that are changeable with perception of others. There were already communities who practiced this and they were more or less ok with, same as some nobility.
Also let me point it out once again wide age gap relationships (example parent-child and etc.) are indeed very catastrophic due to the element of grooming and power play. You cannot remove those two factor and they guarantee future problems but grooming and power play is in general bad, with incest it just magnifies the problem.
Also let me point it out once again wide age gap relationships (example parent-child and etc.) are indeed very catastrophic due to the element of grooming and power play. You cannot remove those two factor and they guarantee future problems but grooming and power play is in general bad, with incest it just magnifies the problem.
What i'm also trying to say, gay, lesbian, transvestite and etc. i don't care same as incest as long as it doesn't damage me or general public. I can say multiple cons of practising homosexual love or any deviation from "norm". I simply try to value it "to each their own" as long as your deviation doesn't disrupt anything much. All of your SOCIAL statements were prevalent in gay communities 30-40 years ago.
As for incest and brain trying to block it....Can't say, never experienced it, to my understanding the closed off communities rarely question practise of incest as something bad until they met or read it something from outside world. Meaning that it has more social engineering factor rather than biochemical.
The fact i know from biochemistry is that for some idiotic reason we can actually feel strong attractions towards our blood relatives if for example we meet them somewhere (but we don't know that they are our relatives). Documented weird fact about us.
With this knowledge actually i would try to make a blood test if i were to meet a woman that I take fancy in, just to make sure.
As for incest and brain trying to block it....Can't say, never experienced it, to my understanding the closed off communities rarely question practise of incest as something bad until they met or read it something from outside world. Meaning that it has more social engineering factor rather than biochemical.
The fact i know from biochemistry is that for some idiotic reason we can actually feel strong attractions towards our blood relatives if for example we meet them somewhere (but we don't know that they are our relatives). Documented weird fact about us.
With this knowledge actually i would try to make a blood test if i were to meet a woman that I take fancy in, just to make sure.
I was quite liberal some time ago but unlike most modern liberals i've tried to understand and make my own decisions. I understand general concerns why homosexualism was regarded as a taboo, I also understand why it is bad to suppress it. I've tried to understand why conservatives are against something and why liberal are for something. World is our sand castle and we make rules and decisions, EVERY decision and rule has pro's and cons.
For example incest children have higher chances of having negative genetic mutations but did you know they also have higher chances of having higher intelligence? (Though negative's overweight the positive quite strongly especially if incest continues through 2nd generation and onwards).
For example incest children have higher chances of having negative genetic mutations but did you know they also have higher chances of having higher intelligence? (Though negative's overweight the positive quite strongly especially if incest continues through 2nd generation and onwards).
P.S. I do not condone 2 siblings(cousins) who fall in love in each other, as long as their love doesn't bring great distress to general public. It's not my right to question them or to judge them. If they are happy, it's a boon.
Would i want my children to have those relationships? Certainly not, would i strongly recommend and advise against it? Yes, i would. But would i forceblly try to separe 2 adult children? I would not, nothing good would come of it, until they decide themselves that it must end (of course if it's one sided i would ISOLATE who feels this one-sided feeling, it's dangerous to keep that deviant close.)
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Once again thank you for replying in a more serious manner. Your input was valuable and gave me a few things to brood about. Perhaps in the future my opinion might change but currently it's still the same. Though few things like betrayal and difficulty (to lesser extent) made my boundaries of acceptance lesser in size.
The feeling of betrayal in one-sided relationships with relatives is a great point and concern which can spiral the family dynamic out of control. (Of course the drama that happen like in usual relationship can be also be stronger(due to parents living together and possibility of divided camps) but that should be automatically taken into account)
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Alright man, I can see that this is just going in a circle so I'm just not bothering to respond. Edit: (Also sorry Mods for derailing the forum, this turned completely differently from the source material.)
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You confuse me, in what circles? We didn't even have a proper dialogue to start the circular dialogue. Please read what circular dialogue means before using this statement (it doesn't mean that you have to change the opinion of your conversation mate). If you do not wish or do not know how to answer just do that, say i do not wish to continue this dialogue or like many people in modern day do simply ghost everything altogether.
But calling it a circular conversation is rude and dishonest. (Also due to dialogue diverging from the manga i decided to use spoiler tags to decrease clutter from my texts, so that it would not soil non-participants eyes, learned by the way from good fellow here)
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The problem with incestuous relationships is purely and only a social thing. If the two people grew up together then it's problematic due to power dynamics and such, but that's equally true of biologically unrelated people that grew up in the same home. Potential issues with offspring is just a eugenics argument at its core. If you want to also assert that people with genetic disorders shouldn't be allowed to breed either, be my guest, but I'd rather not go down that path.
Literally all of the factors you mention in the second paragraph have nothing to do with incest itself and more just outside influence. Feelings of guilt and shame? I wonder why, with people like you screaming how disgusting it is. Stigma? Anything and everything has been stigmatized at some point in the past. Again, outside factor.
Basically, the only factor that actually matters morally and is relevant to the incestuous relationship itself inherently (that is, is not a result of other people browbeating, moralizing, or spitting eugenics taglines) is social dynamics. If they grew up together, there's a problem. If they didn't know they had any relation until they were already a couple, then there's no issue.
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I'm assuming you've never had siblings, if you had, you'd have a little more common sense. (Actually I don't think you even need common sense to know why incest is inherently a bad thing and why it's been a taboo practically since the dawn of humanity.)
