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[hinatablossoms]

Had potential but another flop

 

[SLeM9999]

In chapter 1 in the posted scans, quoted material is enclosed in left quotes . It should instead be enclosed in `left and right quotes´ or should be enclosed in 'mid quotes' . Using left quotes is usually code for presenting the material without quotation marks in monoface type.

 

[Giga]

I got impatient and looked at the raws.
All I will say is Chapter 13 is hilarous.

I cannot stress enough of how much of a spoiler the spoiler below is.

ONLY look if you are fine major spoilers.
MC ends up fighting off against the demon king/queen, gets his clothes blown off by one of her attacks (not even a scrap of clothe left) which unnerves her. Despite being butt-naked he continues to fight her unphased, turns around mid-air to counter one of her attacks, only to Cockslap her in the face... Yes I really did just type that, there's even a close up panel of it.

"Hilarious"? You mean "pedophilic".

Furthermore, yes--it's a spoiler, so I'm respecting that myself, but it's nowhere near being the "major" spoiler you kept trying to sell it as: if someone sees the antagonist character it involves, he has been paying any attention to anime and manga for the past 20+ years (at any point, doesn't even have to be the whole time), and if he isn't as dishonest as the average "lolicon", that person will know that--despite what this antagonist has done and because of the personality of the MC--the story will almost certainly play out exactly as one can reasonably expect it to, which is exactly as it has every single time a similar situation was written by a lolicon author.

The translated chapters don't reach the end of the fight yet, but even your spoiler in the chapter 10 discussion shows that--except for that one injury--she doesn't have a scratch on her. The fight is only there to set up the inclusion of "lolicon"--pedophile--wanking material. The author could throw a curveball and defy this expectation, but I wouldn't count on it--not with how the story has already proceeded.

Anyone can feel free to look at these spoilers, because this story development is absolutely done to death--the only thing new is the packaging, and the contents are only of "major" significance or "hilarious" to people who like seeing sexualized kids.

 

[InterdimensionalAvocado]

"Hilarious"? You mean "pedophilic".

Furthermore, yes--it's a spoiler, so I'm respecting that myself, but it's nowhere near being the "major" spoiler you kept trying to sell it as: if someone sees the antagonist character it involves, he has been paying any attention to anime and manga for the past 20+ years (at any point, doesn't even have to be the whole time), and if he isn't as dishonest as the average "lolicon", that person will know that--despite what this antagonist has done and because of the personality of the MC--the story will almost certainly play out exactly as one can reasonably expect it to, which is exactly as it has every single time a similar situation was written by a lolicon author.

The translated chapters don't reach the end of the fight yet, but even your spoiler in the chapter 10 discussion shows that--except for that one injury--she doesn't have a scratch on her. The fight is only there to set up the inclusion of "lolicon"--pedophile--wanking material. The author could throw a curveball and defy this expectation, but I wouldn't count on it--not with how the story has already proceeded.

Anyone can feel free to look at these spoilers, because this story development is absolutely done to death--the only thing new is the packaging, and the contents are only of "major" significance or "hilarious" to people who like seeing sexualized kids.

Quick question (I'm aware it's been a while since you quoted me).
Is this author a known lolicon/or do they have PDFile tendancies?

As for Hilarious, I meant in a just desserts kind of way, seeing them get some kind of comeuppance, now that you've mentioned pedophilic it's suddenly a whole lot darker, creepy and not in the least bit amusing.

Regarding the "not a major spoiler" I don't see why you appear to be caught up on that, like does it matter that much? I'd classify a generic spoiler as would be The fight ends in his favour in Chapter X for example. As for the spoiler tags I didn't use them in other threads on different Mangas and I was cautioned on it.

 

[Giga]

Quick question (I'm aware it's been a while since you quoted me).

I wouldn't say it's been that long. Even if you quoted me a year later, and sought genuine conversation, I still wouldn't mind. People who get their panties in a bunch over such a reply to a post in the relevantly distant past are those who are either looking for something to be pissed about or those who like to insist on adherence to the letter of a given rule while paying little to no attention to its spirit--and there's plenty of overlap between those two.

Is this author a known lolicon/or do they have PDFile tendancies?

I don't know of this particular author's history, but inductive reasoning is enough to evaluate him. There is a lot of conformism in the sphere of anime/manga/LN creation (if not to say among the Japanese in general, but I'll stick to that sphere for simplicity's sake); thus if you see one creator doing one thing the rest do, you can expect him to be doing the rest of that one thing as well--which was proven in this very arc.

That being said, is this author a lolicon? Well, you yourself described what happens after this chapter in your spoiler, so let's spin it a different way as a heuristic: let's say this male (his name is Tarou) author didn't draw some all-powerful, million-year-old loli as the main antagonist of this arc--it was a male demon, instead. The main protagonist shows up, and follows exactly the same sequence of events you described--and the author does indeed take the time to think up and depict that specific part you found so amusing, but with that male antagonist instead of a sexualized little girl.

What, then, would you say about that author's inclinations?

As for Hilarious, I meant in a just desserts kind of way, seeing them get some kind of comeuppance, now that you've mentioned pedophilic it's suddenly a whole lot darker, creepy and not in the least bit amusing.

"Just desserts", you say. This loli demon is a psychopathic murderer, who has just been shown to have subjected another person to body horror for giggles--and her just deserts is to have what you described happen to her? That's all? Well, the idea isn't new--it's standard in lolicon writing, as the sexualized little girls characteristic of the genre frequently aren't there to serve as substantial elements of a story, but merely to tickle a specific fetish; and indeed, nothing seriously negative can happen to such characters, because they have to remain for the pleasure of those people with that fetish. The same is the case here.

Regarding the "not a major spoiler" I don't see why you appear to be caught up on that, like does it matter that much? I'd classify a generic spoiler as would be The fight ends in his favour in Chapter X for example. As for the spoiler tags I didn't use them in other threads on different Mangas and I was cautioned on it.

To be frank, its importance mirrors the importance you gave what you said; it was a rhetorical construction meant to respond to the implication behind your words.

Spoiler: For length

That being said, I would like to make something clear (again): in the end, this is fiction. Yes, lolicon is pedophilia--there's no honestly questioning that, and yes: lolicon is a fictional depiction of pedophilia. People also read manga that wax violent or even murderous, and no well-adjusted person has a problem with it. The difference is in how lolicon is regularly presented as ideal, and even beyond questioning by its "fans"; and as a result of these things, it's propagated to the point at which you find it in settings where its presence doesn't make any sense--often, they're present for nothing more than pandering.

Finally, fiction meant to stimulate a given sexual inclination is vastly different from what allows someone to enjoy the depiction of violence in fiction. That last one is something lolicons love to ignore.

 

[InterdimensionalAvocado]

I wouldn't say it's been that long. Even if you quoted me a year later, and sought genuine conversation, I still wouldn't mind. People who get their panties in a bunch over such a reply to a post in the relevantly distant past are those who are either looking for something to be pissed about or those who like to insist on adherence to the letter of a given rule while paying little to no attention to its spirit--and there's plenty of overlap between those two.

I was after clarification for clarification's sake, I don't have the best memory so try to respond to replies/emails/messages, etc within a day or two at most so I don't forget.

I don't know of this particular author's history, but inductive reasoning is enough to evaluate him. There is a lot of conformism in the sphere of anime/manga/LN creation (if not to say among the Japanese in general, but I'll stick to that sphere for simplicity's sake); thus if you see one creator doing one thing the rest do, you can expect him to be doing the rest of that one thing as well--which was proven in this very arc.

That being said, is this author a lolicon? Well, you yourself described what happens after this chapter in your spoiler, so let's spin it a different way as a heuristic: let's say this male (his name is Tarou) author didn't draw some all-powerful, million-year-old loli as the main antagonist of this arc--it was a male demon, instead. The main protagonist shows up, and follows exactly the same sequence of events you described--and the author does indeed take the time to think up and depict that specific part you found so amusing, but with that male antagonist instead of a sexualized little girl.

What, then, would you say about that author's inclinations?

Highly likely to be a fetish rather than destruction of ego. Admittedly the means of arriving at that scene aren't him trying to humiliate her, but rather an accident (spell that was supposed to incinerate him only incinerating his clothes), though it doesn't defuse from that situation.

"Just desserts", you say. This loli demon is a psychopathic murderer, who has just been shown to have subjected another person to body horror for giggles--and her just deserts is to have what you described happen to her? That's all? Well, the idea isn't new--it's standard in lolicon writing, as the sexualized little girls characteristic of the genre frequently aren't there to serve as substantial elements of a story, but merely to tickle a specific fetish; and indeed, nothing seriously negative can happen to such characters, because they have to remain for the pleasure of those people with that fetish. The same is the case here.



To be frank, its importance mirrors the importance you gave what you said; it was a rhetorical construction meant to respond to the implication behind your words.

You mean like Goinkyo Maou-sama no Kaerizaki? (If you haven't read it, don't, it reads like an Incel's wet dream, couldn't make it past first chapter).

You don't see her kill anyone, although assuming she's abused/mutilated/murdered many others is given from her action and behaviour. I'd say it's safe to assume the one who has been cobbled together with the goblin will have it reversed, but if it's accountability, then yes, even in fiction appropriate accountability matters (I.E. you do horrible things to others, you deserve horrible things to happen to you, not become part of a Harem or love interest)

Spoiler: For length

That being said, I would like to make something clear (again): in the end, this is fiction. Yes, lolicon is pedophilia--there's no honestly questioning that, and yes: lolicon is a fictional depiction of pedophilia. People also read manga that wax violent or even murderous, and no well-adjusted person has a problem with it. The difference is in how lolicon is regularly presented as ideal, and even beyond questioning by its "fans"; and as a result of these things, it's propagated to the point at which you find it in settings where its presence doesn't make any sense--often, they're present for nothing more than pandering.

Finally, fiction meant to stimulate a given sexual inclination is vastly different from what allows someone to enjoy the depiction of violence in fiction. That last one is something lolicons love to ignore.

I'm aware of the Lolicon genre and character tropes (including the origins from Vladimir Nabokov's novel). Honestly from what you've just posted the normalization ("it's ok because it's fiction" swiftly followed by the frequency of use) sounds like a really dangerous slope, normalize, desensitize and finally accept.

 

[Giga]

Highly likely to be a fetish rather than destruction of ego.

This appears to be your answer to the question, but it's not at all specific enough. What fetish would that be indicative of, were the heuristic I presented to you true instead of what's in this arc? To permit no further evasion, how would you describe the male author who spent his time thinking and writing in detail about a male slapping another male in the face with his penis?

You don't see her kill anyone, although assuming she's abused/mutilated/murdered many others is given from her action and behaviour. I'd say it's safe to assume the one who has been cobbled together with the goblin will have it reversed, but if it's accountability, then yes, even in fiction appropriate accountability matters (I.E. you do horrible things to others, you deserve horrible things to happen to you, not become part of a Harem or love interest)

That's true--you don't see her kill anyone in focus--directly. Splitting hairs, but still my mistake.

A less assailable way to describe her, then, is as a "murderous psychopath". You saw what she did to the demon and his daughter, the bloodsoaked end result, and her self-declared motivation for doing it in Chapter 9. The focus isn't whether or not she is held accountable, however, as a story can be as detailed and packed with nuance and mitigating circumstances as reality can be, since art is downstream of life. Rather, the focus--the question--is how and why a sexualized little girl character can commit any level of atrocity and end up receiving little more than the relative equivalent of a slap on the wrist, followed by forgiveness and very likely acceptance--and how and why it's been like that for decades, now. The answer to this question is the same as why she had to be included in the story in the first place.

 

[Harperdove21]

I actually feel grateful I found and read this. Now, when the time comes for me to have to start getting regular colonoscopies due to aging, I can always look back to this manga and this moment and realize that it can’t be as shameful and painful as having taken the time to read this. Thank you, you brilliant dumpster fire of a story.

 

[hamsterking5]

It's as bad as you think it is.

 

[TenThousandWaspsInACoat]

Do you want to see an MC spare even the most heinous evil characters who horrifically torture others? The main LI humped by goblins? An MC who wastes his powers and does nothing and just ends up powerless again at the end if this sticks with the WN and is the most blatant Japanese MC ever? Then this is for you.