Douka Ore o Houtte Oite Kure: Nazeka Bocchi no Owatta Koukou Seikatsu o Kanojo ga Kaeyou to Shite Kuru - Vol. 5 Ch. 29 - There's No Way a Loner Can S…

[Chuito]

The thing is, this manga would be so much more enjoyable if the characters actually acted like people. I mean, seriously. "Oh I bet it's so much more fun hanging out with them than it is with us. Grr, this ruined my mood. Let's leave our "friend" behind guys!" is such a fucking insane thing to drop just out of nowhere but NO ONE seems to register that as unreasonable as shit. And iirc (it's been a while) the previous chapters established this friend as at least caring of Hoshigasaki. So... why is she acting like a shitty caricature of the clingy bitchy girlfriend archetype???

There's only so much suspension of disbelief can do, man. And that doesn't just apply to, say, a fucking dragon appearing out of the sky. It also applies to how people act. I've been to high school, I've seen people. The more intimately real setting means that your writing must also stick closer to the norms that we know of. So... why do this? It just seems like a cheap and shitty way to force conflict when instead you could, say, centre the conflict around an ACTUAL conflict between the girls. Maybe friend A (forgot her name) has some past history with Nanamura or Hanamitsuji or something. Maybe they stole her bread or something. Idk. Just not... this.

Ive literally seen that scenario play out at least 3 times in my life. All were during highschool and girls being catty with each other.

The only real difference with irl is she didnt straight up call the other girl out like that. They were always more indorect and threw slight jabs at the girl like "oh guess you gonna go jave fun with THEM instead, OK side eye". Thy also started making space and avoiding the one they didn't like. Yes even the "my mood got ruined, lets go" happenee and then they started trash talking behind her back and spreading rumors.

Maybe you got blessed with a good school life or maybe my classmates were particularly shitty, idk which, but stuff like that does happen irl. Remember these are just highschool girls, they'll get petty and start drama for whatever dumb shit. Even dumb shit like "wow becky didn't come to hang out with us last 2 weekends, bet she was just talking shit about us to her new friends. What a bitch"

 

[Highorse]

Ive literally seen that scenario play out at least 3 times in my life. All were during highschool and girls being catty with each other.

The only real difference with irl is she didnt straight up call the other girl out like that. They were always more indorect and threw slight jabs at the girl like "oh guess you gonna go jave fun with THEM instead, OK side eye". Thy also started making space and avoiding the one they didn't like. Yes even the "my mood got ruined, lets go" happenee and then they started trash talking behind her back and spreading rumors.

Maybe you got blessed with a good school life or maybe my classmates were particularly shitty, idk which, but stuff like that does happen irl. Remember these are just highschool girls, they'll get petty and start drama for whatever dumb shit. Even dumb shit like "wow becky didn't come to hang out with us last 2 weekends, bet she was just talking shit about us to her new friends. What a bitch"

Yeah I agree that this could happen IRL, but specifically what made it break immersion for me was the fact that NO ONE involved recognised that as a shitty thing to do. I mean, you obviously saw it and realised it as catty. You would think that even if our socially inept MC doesn't say something then someone else with more social know-how would, or at LEAST recognise that it isn't the most logical of leaps to make.

Though in fairness I'm not really coming from a place of neutrality either. I don't particularly care for this sort of plot development with (to me) blatantly stupid characters and thus am taking a rather negative stance.

 

[maerindesu5560]

Need to see both sides. From their perspective, she stopped seeing them and not being honest about why. That's legit too.

No I'm pretty sure that was really obvious. She was a festcom member, of course she would be busy, and she also needed to study for the final exam while her "friends" still going to the karaoke. They are just shit friends

 

[IhsanWeeb]

Girl is like "i saw you breathe with some dude for twelve minutes yesterday. I hate you even though we've wasted our time for the past seven months leading to your grade's falling apart like Mongolian fleet against Japan's sea storms"

Wtf bruh?

 

[maerindesu5560]

Bro what's the fking problem with that Hiiragi girl? I hated her since the very beginning when she didn't even try to defend Hoshigasaki when she was in trouble, but now she just proved herself to be a fking btch. In this chapter, they received their grades for final exam, and Hiiragi started to doubt if Hoshigasaki studied with the MC and other girls instead of hanging out with her. And then she started to say some sht like Hoshigasaki find her boring or smth. Like wtf girl? You were jealous because your friend wanted to study for the final exam instead of hanging out with you? Your grades are lower than hers fyi. And stop trying to control your friend's life, she can hang out with anyone she wants and have multiple groups of friends, you are not her fking mom or smth. What a fking btch

 

[silverpetricof]

The first halfway decent chapter we've gotten in quite a long time if you ask me. And sure enough people are having a field day with these turn of events.

Thank you for the translation.

 

[GIN_8_6_]

"since you know the problem, you have the obligation to help"

What's with this shitty logic

 

[draxdeveloper]

This is not the same "friend" that bullied her and made her drop the school?

 

[killinginstincts]

The thing is, this manga would be so much more enjoyable if the characters actually acted like people. I mean, seriously. "Oh I bet it's so much more fun hanging out with them than it is with us. Grr, this ruined my mood. Let's leave our "friend" behind guys!" is such a fucking insane thing to drop just out of nowhere but NO ONE seems to register that as unreasonable as shit. And iirc (it's been a while) the previous chapters established this friend as at least caring of Hoshigasaki. So... why is she acting like a shitty caricature of the clingy bitchy girlfriend archetype???

God as much as I wish I could agree with you, I can't. I have seen middle school and Highschool girls do the pettiest things, and have even seen guy friend groups make mountains out of mole hills. I had a friends that were cut out of another friend group because they didn't agree with something.

The issue with always looking for logical consistency with a character in a story is that people are just illogical in real life too.

 

[rayto34]

people pretend like she's a good friend until now, did everyone just forgot how hoshigasaki otakuness got revealed in alternate timeline and nobody sided with her?

 

[CoolOtamegane]

Yes this is why, My school years I have no friend in my selective course let alone in my class
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My homies outside that my selective program, because we close just as is it, no walls no prejudice no shitty mindset

 

[Lord_Ad5]

Give us moreeee

 

[lovolo]

I just want me Gyaru to smile again (and to win eventually it that’s just me)

Gyaru is fun but sadly here priestess clears.

 

[lovolo]

This is not the same "friend" that bullied her and made her drop the school?

Nope. It's this girl that's doing nothing when the LN drama happened,.

 

[ppaaccoojrf]

The thing is, this manga would be so much more enjoyable if the characters actually acted like people. I mean, seriously. "Oh I bet it's so much more fun hanging out with them than it is with us. Grr, this ruined my mood. Let's leave our "friend" behind guys!" is such a fucking insane thing to drop just out of nowhere but NO ONE seems to register that as unreasonable as shit. And iirc (it's been a while) the previous chapters established this friend as at least caring of Hoshigasaki. So... why is she acting like a shitty caricature of the clingy bitchy girlfriend archetype???

There's only so much suspension of disbelief can do, man. And that doesn't just apply to, say, a fucking dragon appearing out of the sky. It also applies to how people act. I've been to high school, I've seen people. The more intimately real setting means that your writing must also stick closer to the norms that we know of. So... why do this? It just seems like a cheap and shitty way to force conflict when instead you could, say, centre the conflict around an ACTUAL conflict between the girls. Maybe friend A (forgot her name) has some past history with Nanamura or Hanamitsuji or something. Maybe they stole her bread or something. Idk. Just not... this.

You're misunderstanding Hiiragi's character completely.
Hiiragi isn't upset because Hoshigasaki is friends with other people, she's upset because she's hiding something from them.
From Hiiragi's point of view, Hoshigasaki's going out of her way to interact with Nanamura (and other people), who is supposed to be her stalker. It doesn't make sense to Hiiragi why Hoshigasaki would do that, and Hoshigasaki hasn't tried to explain it (because it would involve explaining the light novel incident as well). Hiiragi is crashing out because she's starting to believe Hoshigasaki doesn't see her as a friend worth being honest with.
Hiiragi is being a bit of a bitch, sure, but Hoshigasaki also isn't being honest with her friends. It's just a communication problem.

 

[ppaaccoojrf]

Not gonna lie pretty sure we know this is a shit friend. In the first go round didn’t Hoshigasaki become a recluse because of a falling out with her friends? Seems like this specific girl just doesn’t like her and only kept her close because others did.

In the first go around, Hoshigasaki isolated herself. Her friends failed her in not reaching out to her themselves (though to be fair, their relationships were still just beginning to form by that point), but there's no indication that she was actively shunned just because she was found with a light novel. It was more like she was all awkward by herself and her friends therefore felt awkward to approach her.