Hachinan tte, Sore wa Nai Deshou! - Ch. 98

[MangaDex]

 

[Totalhypocrite]

he either has to make sure klaus is firmly in his camp or develop his own spy master to head of this kind of nonsense

 

[ciera]

thanks for the chapter

 

[Miserys_End]

Despite all the political maneuvering, Klaus just knowingly put his lord in danger. Doesn't matter if the ends justified the means, nor that Wend would have to power to defeat the threat. He still without forewarning exposed his lord to possible injury, capture, or even death.

That not being enough, his pretense of not wanting to warn the insurrectionists is utter garbage. At any point during their conversation he could have warned Wend what was going on, yet held his tongue until after the conflict was revealed and too late to handle by other means. So not only did he endangered his Lord, he did so in a manner that robbed him of any other option but to fight.

Klaus should not recieve praise or even acknowledgement for exposing the plot, he should be censored for withholding critical information, and removed from his position for willfully endangering a count and his consorts lives. After which he should lose his life.

 

[Haezer]

Put a tight leash on that old man bro. I mean an actual leash. He's a fucking potential liability rn.

 

[SunSun]

Despite all the political maneuvering, Klaus just knowingly put his lord in danger. Doesn't matter if the ends justified the means, nor that Wend would have to power to defeat the threat. He still without forewarning exposed his lord to possible injury, capture, or even death.

That not being enough, his pretense of not wanting to warn the insurrectionists is utter garbage. At any point during their conversation he could have warned Wend what was going on, yet held his tongue until after the conflict was revealed and too late to handle by other means. So not only did he endangered his Lord, he did so in a manner that robbed him of any other option but to fight.

Klaus should not recieve praise or even acknowledgement for exposing the plot, he should be censored for withholding critical information, and removed from his position for willfully endangering a count and his consorts lives. After which he should lose his life.

I agree but I don't think Wend is in a position to purge Klaus yet.

Mainly due to the fact that there is currently no one as skilled as Klaus that Wend can setup for now, and it's not clear how deep the connections go.

Worst case Wend will have to purge his half brothers from Klaus' side, resulting even more loss of capable manpower.

There's also the issue that while Klaus is suspicious and has endangered Wend, there's not enough evidence to prove outright treason. If Klaus is as manipulative as he seems to be, he can sow enough doubt in his guilt to make Wend out to be a terrible lord, further complicating manpower recruitment.

I think Wendelin best course is getting his own spy master; having definitive evidence or outright trapping Klaus would be the best solution.

 

[psyphon11]

Create a problem then propose a solution... EDIT: Thanks for the TL!

 

[GreC_89]

Quite a big departure from WN, by leaps and bounds.

Spoiler: novel's version

In a novel there was entire "FBI Open Up" situation.
Klaus actually causes a rebellion, he along with his two grandsons leads 20 'adventures' into a Herman's house and take him and his family a hostage. That required a big mobilization of knights and surrounding of residence, then we will see this 'Area Stun' moment. In the novel it was meticulous triangular formation to exclude hostages and Klaus himself (due to old age it can kill him). But surprise Klaus played double game here, deliberately getting friendly with 'adventurers' and leading them into a trap. They are third, fourth or more sons of noble and knights without right to succession (whole novel point if we think about it) who was promised steady employment as payment for suicidal mission. And in process Klaus earn their respect and convinced to change allegiances along with names (there going to be some funny moments as a results when they meet theirs relatives who think they are should be KIA).
Another thing that cut out of story is a small conflict with two biological grandsons. Due to them being sons of concubine aka not a blue blood they are not allowed to have court rank and rise above certain standing, even if Wend doesn't mind it and willing to help. But they themselves are thinking otherwise and demand promotion more than acceptable by public (nobles). His in-laws don't cause such problem. That gives Klaus another reason for 'rebellion', because mistreatment of his children aka cool off their heads. We probably will miss their new fate but that was unimportant.
Link for curious but there some more spoilers.

There shouldn't be such Big difference between LN and WN at this point so mangaka and editorials. Let me know if i wrong
Probably journal don't want to bother with all setup and get to more juicy development, in the East. This will make me kinda hopeful for one arc that comes next, diplomatic mission into neighboring Empire, it was loooooong.

@Miserys_End, @SunSun, @psyphon11
There was a lot censored/edited/cut out of story so i don't blame if you felling like this.
In previous chapter comment some cried that story boring because world building, and now we see what happened when its deleted.

 

[WhimsiCat]

Despite all the political maneuvering, Klaus just knowingly put his lord in danger. Doesn't matter if the ends justified the means, nor that Wend would have to power to defeat the threat. He still without forewarning exposed his lord to possible injury, capture, or even death.

As opposed to letting the already shorthanded villagers definitely suffer damage? Yeah, what a great alternative.
It's not like in these fantasy story the lords who throw their people out in front as meatshield are made to be the worthless cowards and 'true' lords are the ones to lead the charge in defending their people or anything right?

That not being enough, his pretense of not wanting to warn the insurrectionists is utter garbage. At any point during their conversation he could have warned Wend what was going on, yet held his tongue until after the conflict was revealed and too late to handle by other means. So not only did he endangered his Lord, he did so in a manner that robbed him of any other option but to fight.

Klaus should not recieve praise or even acknowledgement for exposing the plot, he should be censored for withholding critical information, and removed from his position for willfully endangering a count and his consorts lives. After which he should lose his life.

If your lord can't pay attention on their own, then he's not your lord, he's your puppet.

He didn't 'held his tongue', he literally was slowly nudging Vel to realize what's going on and get more blatant as the conversation goes on.
Klaus used this chance to not only handle the invaders with minimal damage but also to teach Vel about politics that Vel wasn't even thinking of at the time, something that Vel himself would need to think about in the future.

Also

he did so in a manner that robbed him of any other option but to fight.

What are these 'other options' you speak of? Those guys came here fully intent on causing chaos/damage to his land, why would Vel NOT defeat them?

Also note this page here
The invader 'twitch' when Vel shouted 'conflict' meaning before that point they were STILL trying to hide as adventurers and only because Vel made that shout they realized their jig is up.

 

[tekkenshu7]

Klaus probably was too jaded of the way the higher nobilities do such kind of political disputes (like from his experiences before), that he manipulated things towards a swift resolution.
Vel should get Klaus to be his clan's intelligence officer.

 

[Miserys_End]

I agree but I don't think Wend is in a position to purge Klaus yet.

Mainly due to the fact that there is currently no one as skilled as Klaus that Wend can setup for now, and it's not clear how deep the connections go.

Worst case Wend will have to purge his half brothers from Klaus' side, resulting even more loss of capable manpower.

There's also the issue that while Klaus is suspicious and has endangered Wend, there's not enough evidence to prove outright treason. If Klaus is as manipulative as he seems to be, he can sow enough doubt in his guilt to make Wend out to be a terrible lord, further complicating manpower recruitment.

I think Wendelin best course is getting his own spy master; having definitive evidence or outright trapping Klaus would be the best solution.

Klaus is just a village head, not a true noble. His political reach should be truely limited in scope, even if well connected. Even if it was viewed by other nobles as excessive punishment for perceived injustices, Wend's titles and achievements vastly outstrip any possible avenues of attacking his judgments in his territory.

As for the loss of capable amd competent bureaucrats, the same is true of most of his fiefdom. It will hurt in the short-term, but further recruitment is already in progress.
And that assumes Wend needs to immediately purge the entire subordinate family. There are many ways that Roderick could breakup the lineage and enforce compliance and loyalty.

 

[megaguil]

Got pretty exciting right here for a bit. I know some are tired of this one already but I do find this quite enjoyable still. Can’t wait to see how they will retaliate once they torture the information out of the adventurers (bandits). Vel will hopefully get to flex pretty soon, and in a big way.

 

[Miserys_End]

As opposed to letting the already shorthanded villagers definitely suffer damage? Yeah, what a great alternative.
It's not like in these fantasy story the lords who throw their people out in front as meatshield are made to be the worthless cowards and 'true' lords are the ones to lead the charge in defending their people or anything right?

None of which Wend has done, nor has shown any incantation of doing. He has continuously bent over backwards to help the people of his territory, and works hard daily to improve the land and the working conditions.

If your lord can't pay attention on their own, then he's not your lord, he's your puppet.

He didn't 'held his tongue', he literally was slowly nudging Vel to realize what's going on and get more blatant as the conversation goes on.
Klaus used this chance to not only handle the invaders with minimal damage but also to teach Vel about politics that Vel wasn't even thinking of at the time, something that Vel himself would need to think about in the future.

Also


What are these 'other options' you speak of? Those guys came here fully intent on causing chaos/damage to his land, why would Vel NOT defeat them?

O . o you must be reading a very different story then the rest of us. Its not so much that Wend can't just hand wave the problem away, its that Klaus droped the entire issue on him cold. He fucking led him into the forest under false pretense, and time his wording so that both side had no other option but a physical confrontation.

True it would likely always come to violence, but there is a vast difference in being prepared for a likely confrontation, and having the the event dropped in your lap like a pissedoff wet cat.

Also note this page here
The invader 'twitch' when Vel shouted 'conflict' meaning before that point they were STILL trying to hide as adventurers and only because Vel made that shout they realized their jig is up.

Yes and? A little information goes a long way. If Wend was informed of the issue, instead of being led I to what is for all intent and purpose is a double ambush, things could have been handled in a much more controlled manner.

 

[WhimsiCat]

True it would likely always come to violence, but there is a vast difference in being prepared for a likely confrontation, and having the the event dropped in your lap like a pissedoff wet cat.

'physical confrontation'
https://mangadex.org/chapter/54627c68-8699-4999-98d5-e2e0a37f87f2/20
gap between the group
https://mangadex.org/chapter/54627c68-8699-4999-98d5-e2e0a37f87f2/21
area stun, none of them shown to be in melee with Wend's group

that and what I said earlier about how it took Vel SHOUTING to make the other side realize the situation should've made it pretty clear the groups were still quite away from each other by the time Vel finally reached the answer Klaus was nudging him to.

Yes and? A little information goes a long way. If Wend was informed of the issue, instead of being led I to what is for all intent and purpose is a double ambush, things could have been handled in a much more controlled manner.

It's not like the chapter made a show of how intel leak is a thing with how Klaus knew the real intent of those guys right?
Oh and don't forget Vel is the one who don't want to meet Klaus, such that Klaus had to make his brother pass the news to 'urgently' come.
Ever thought that maybe if Vel would've regularly visit this part Klaus wouldn't need to drop it off suddenly on him?

 

[Miserys_End]

Quite a big departure from WN, by leaps and bounds.

Spoiler: novel's version

In a novel there was entire "FBI Open Up" situation.
Klaus actually causes a rebellion, he along with his two grandsons leads 20 'adventures' into a Herman's house and take him and his family a hostage. That required a big mobilization of knights and surrounding of residence, then we will see this 'Area Stun' moment. In the novel it was meticulous triangular formation to exclude hostages and Klaus himself (due to old age it can kill him). But surprise Klaus played double game here, deliberately getting friendly with 'adventurers' and leading them into a trap. They are third, fourth or more sons of noble and knights without right to succession (whole novel point if we think about it) who was promised steady employment as payment for suicidal mission. And in process Klaus earn their respect and convinced to change allegiances along with names (there going to be some funny moments as a results when they meet theirs relatives who think they are should be KIA).
Another thing that cut out of story is a small conflict with two biological grandsons. Due to them being sons of concubine aka not a blue blood they are not allowed to have court rank and rise above certain standing, even if Wend doesn't mind it and willing to help. But they themselves are thinking otherwise and demand promotion more than acceptable by public (nobles). His in-laws don't cause such problem. That gives Klaus another reason for 'rebellion', because mistreatment of his children aka cool off their heads. We probably will miss their new fate but that was unimportant.
Link for curious but there some more spoilers.

There shouldn't be such Big difference between LN and WN at this point so mangaka and editorials. Let me know if i wrong
Probably journal don't want to bother with all setup and get to more juicy development, in the East. This will make me kinda hopeful for one arc that comes next, diplomatic mission into neighboring Empire, it was loooooong.

@Miserys_End, @SunSun, @psyphon11
There was a lot censored/edited/cut out of story so i don't blame if you felling like this.
In previous chapter comment some cried that story boring because world building, and now we see what happened when its deleted.

Not really caught out by the differences, just more my opinion based on what I remember of the setting from the WN/LN.
iirc in the novel verson the event was mostly handled by the brother, with Wend'ssupport. Klaus gets a slap on the wrist and forced into full retirement. But its been a few years so could be confusing it with another story.

 

[Fushiginiku]

Despite all the political maneuvering, Klaus just knowingly put his lord in danger. Doesn't matter if the ends justified the means, nor that Wend would have to power to defeat the threat. He still without forewarning exposed his lord to possible injury, capture, or even death.

That not being enough, his pretense of not wanting to warn the insurrectionists is utter garbage. At any point during their conversation he could have warned Wend what was going on, yet held his tongue until after the conflict was revealed and too late to handle by other means. So not only did he endangered his Lord, he did so in a manner that robbed him of any other option but to fight.

Klaus should not recieve praise or even acknowledgement for exposing the plot, he should be censored for withholding critical information, and removed from his position for willfully endangering a count and his consorts lives. After which he should lose his life.

At the absolute least, he could have found some means (even just slipping him a note) to let him know in advance about the situation. Not doing so, and forcing his hand instead, was as good as insubordination.

 

[92cloud]

thanks for the chapter! but as usual im always confused when they do all this politic talk

 

[Kade_BSG]

Not really caught out by the differences, just more my opinion based on what I remember of the setting from the WN/LN.
iirc in the novel verson the event was mostly handled by the brother, with Wend'ssupport. Klaus gets a slap on the wrist and forced into full retirement. But its been a few years so could be confusing it with another story.

In the novel, don't the half brothers (who want to become nobles themselves) end with a short drop and a sudden stop?

 

[Kaarme]

When you have an OP isekai protagonist around, might as well use him to deal with problems that could otherwise turn ugly and cause a lot of damage and grief. I won't blame Klaus. A smart man.

 

[Bibliothecarius]

Thnks for the chapter!