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[MangaDex]

 

[Doedoel]

The Human Theseus, huh?

 

[Puromew]

Ts... Is so sad...


Would it really be the same person? If you put the memories of the original into another body, even though it is only a copy.

Would you still act the same around it?

 

[totallytotally]

Cover art would make a nice t-shirt

 

[OnewingedMasios]

Ts... Is so sad...


Would it really be the same person? If you put the memories of the original into another body, even though it is only a copy.

Would you still act the same around it?

This is a question that has been asked for thousands of years (no really, it was mostly about reincarnation and putting someone's soul in another body though), and there is no real "true answer". The ship of Theseus was partially based on this issue which infamously has no answer either.

Basically it comes down to whether you, or whomever is the observer, feels is right. The flipside is "if it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck; it's a duck" being basically "close enough, why care about the details?" And you kinda just have to decide whether it matters or not ...

 

[ckay1100]

This is a question that has been asked for thousands of years (no really, it was mostly about reincarnation and putting someone's soul in another body though), and there is no real "true answer". The ship of Theseus was partially based on this issue which infamously has no answer either.

Basically it comes down to whether you, or whomever is the observer, feels is right. The flipside is "if it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck; it's a duck" being basically "close enough, why care about the details?" And you kinda just have to decide whether it matters or not ...

We already have an answer for that though;

Every moment of every day your cells continuously die and get replaced. We've always been a living ship of theseus with the only difference being that our parts (cells) split instead of being replaced by outside material. Though even that could be debated since any food intake is also partially repurposed as building material for new cells.

In a more philosophical vein, the only sense you can truly trust and where your sense of self is truly manifested is your mind; your thoughts, so why does it matter if a mechanical brain processes the thoughts instead of a meat brain?

Cogito, Ergo Sum

 

[OnewingedMasios]

We already have an answer for that though;

Every moment of every day your cells continuously die and get replaced. We've always been a living ship of theseus with the only difference being that our parts (cells) split instead of being replaced by outside material. Though even that could be debated since any food intake is also partially repurposed as building material for new cells.

In a more philosophical vein, the only sense you can truly trust and where your sense of self is truly manifested is your mind; your thoughts, so why does it matter if a mechanical brain processes the thoughts instead of a meat brain?

Cogito, Ergo Sum

that wasn't an answer, just reiterating what I said and then doing what I said (creating a subjective reasoning) while completely miss-understanding what Descartes meant by that since if you take his actual writing says in Discours de la méthode pour bien conduire sa raison et chercher la vérité dans les sciences

Ainsi, à cause que nos sens nous trompent quelquefois, je voulus supposer qu'il n'y avait aucune chose qui fût telle qu'ils nous la font imaginer; Et parce qu'il y a des hommes qui se méprennent en raisonnant, même touchant les plus simples matières de Géométrie, et y font des Paralogismes, jugeant que j'étais sujet à faillir autant qu'aucun autre, je rejetai comme fausses toutes les raisons que j'avais prises auparavant pour Démonstrations; Et enfin, considérant que toutes les mêmes pensées que nous avons étant éveillés nous peuvent aussi venir quand nous dormons, sans qu'il y en ait aucune raison pour lors qui soit vraie, je me résolus de feindre que toutes les choses qui m'étaient jamais entrées en l'esprit n'étaient non plus vraies que les illusions de mes songes. Mais aussitôt après je pris garde que, pendant que je voulais ainsi penser que tout était faux, il fallait nécessairement que moi qui le pensais fusse quelque chose; Et remarquant que cette vérité, je pense, donc je suis (the original that was later translated into cogito, ergo sum btw), était si ferme et si assurée, que toutes les plus extravagantes suppositions des Sceptiques n'étaient pas capables de l'ébranler, je jugeai que je pouvais la recevoir sans scrupule pour le premier principe de la Philosophie que je cherchais.

he says that senses decieve us citing that he can experience the same things he does in reality as he can in dreams and as such he forgo trusting reality as presented to be real at all. That while others would refuse to accept that they might be wrong he was open to the idea of instead being wrong and willing to learn instead, and as such realised that while this was an interesting thought it was itself a trap since if everything is an illusion then he himself is an illusion. So he realised the only thing he could not doubt was the fact that he himself exists as he is capable of questioning whether he exists and as such his famous phrase "je pense, donc je suis" (I am thinking, so I am) must be a fundamental truth of which he was searching for which in philosophy is referred to as a "first principle" (basically something that is the origin of all things that come after it while itself not being able to be found as an off sprout of another). Or in other words he realised that while everything can decieve everyone, there is only one thing that can not decieve the observer: oneself. and as such if you can question your own existence you must therefore exist. Which itself is a heavily debated in philosophy for centuries now and is in every single university philosphy course.