Hirano to Kagiura - Vol. 7 Ch. 33b - Experimentation, Implementation...

[MangaDex]

 

[Thrembs]

The vibes here are giving old-school BL, and I'm uncomfortable.


Also A STALL?!?! 😬

This was heckin awkward.

 

[nicoima]

😳 aaaa there was so much in this chapter I'm losing it… and I feel like there's so much more going on here than we're able to see since it's strictly from Kagi's perspective…!!! it's so interesting how Hirano asked about the touching - I'm curious if that, on his side, he's starting to piece together the difference between friends and lovers? these 2 tend to reflect each other so maybe Kagi's “I want to be special to him” is Hirano realizing, on his side, in what ways he's special to Kagi?

I'd been taking Kagi's thoughts and worries about touching Hirano and not wanting to cross a line at face value, but the slow progression of his worries culminating to “what if my ‘love’ is his ‘dislike’?” really hit me 😭 he's so open and honest yet he's overthinking everything he's doing and holding back - that's also his love. it makes me sad, seeing him so happily accept and encourage Niibashi… I love Kagi, I want him to be accepted and encouraged in return 😭 by Hirano…….. otherwise I'd really just like Hirano to let him go and free him from this hell 🤣 lol 🙊

I also wonder if we'll get a revisit of Hirano's line earlier in the series, when he realized the Kagi he likes is the Kagi that's in love with him? that was one of my fav sentiments and I feel like it'd be nice in contrast to Kagi's thoughts

I love angst but please I want flufffff 😭 I'm yearning for their thought processes to align or for them to communicate and encourage each other so that I can really feel that they'd work well together 🥺

thanks so much for the speedy TL! 💖

edit: forgot to add - also that bathroom scene was A LOT lol I do love that Hirano felt so compelled to touch Kagi in that moment (was he happy? moved? possessive? aaaa) that he was just like, yeah sure, let's get in a stall together? Hirano... 🤣

 

[Hikineet]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[Thrembs]

😳 aaaa there was so much in this chapter I'm losing it… and I feel like there's so much more going on here than we're able to see since it's strictly from Kagi's perspective…!!! it's so interesting how Hirano asked about the touching - I'm curious if that, on his side, he's starting to piece together the difference between friends and lovers? these 2 tend to reflect each other so maybe Kagi's “I want to be special to him” is Hirano realizing, on his side, in what ways he's special to Kagi?

I'd been taking Kagi's thoughts and worries about touching Hirano and not wanting to cross a line at face value, but the slow progression of his worries culminating to “what if my ‘love’ is his ‘dislike’?” really hit me 😭 he's so open and honest yet he's overthinking everything he's doing and holding back - that's also his love. it makes me sad, seeing him so happily accept and encourage Niibashi… I love Kagi, I want him to be accepted and encouraged in return 😭 by Hirano…….. otherwise I'd really just like Hirano to let him go and free him from this hell 🤣 lol 🙊

I also wonder if we'll get a revisit of Hirano's line earlier in the series, when he realized the Kagi he likes is the Kagi that's in love with him? that was one of my fav sentiments and I feel like it'd be nice in contrast to Kagi's thoughts

I love angst but please I want flufffff 😭 I'm yearning for their thought processes to align or for them to communicate and encourage each other so that I can really feel that they'd work well together 🥺

thanks so much for the speedy TL! 💖

edit: forgot to add - also that bathroom scene was A LOT lol I do love that Hirano felt so compelled to touch Kagi in that moment (was he happy? moved? possessive? aaaa) that he was just like, yeah sure, let's get in a stall together? Hirano... 🤣

"You sweet summer child, what are you saying?!"

 

[Maacchii]

These two will steer me into a mental breakdown soon I swear they are. SO much right now it's unbearable 😭 😭 😭 /pos I love them dearly.... I don't even know what to say, I went from "aww, this chapter is so cute. I love Niibashi and Kagi moments :--)" to "???!?!???=?)%#(=&¤=)" so quickly........ Brother I am still REELING over Kagi suggesting the stall like ????? YOU ARE AT SCHOOL????????!!!?? HIRANO AGREED JUST LIKE THAT????????!!!!!!! It's funny cuz what they did in there was objectively pretty innocent and sweet but because of their general level of intimacy it felt so scandalous and crazy to me lol

And oh my god Hirano..... I am losing my gourd at him not only being antsy to use his seconds for the day (in a bathroom. of all places. wtf. (imagine Hirano from the beginning of the story hearing all this lol ??)) but also being all.. idek, insecure or possessive or needy or whatever he's feeling from pg. 34-36. The pouty blushing "Mm." is killing meeeee 😭😭 <3 <3 He doesn't even need to outright say he's in love atp, you can just tell from his reactions... God I LOVE THEM SO MUCH and I neeeeddddd the Hirano POV nowwwww!!!! I want to know what goes on in his head!!! I would have never expected him to behave like this even after falling for Kagi and confessing cuz he's usually (relatively) coolheaded so I'm just. aaaaaaaaabnfgjng ( TT v TT ) His emotiveness is so good though aughh, thank you sensei...

Kagi trying so hard to understand Hirano's feelings is too sweet, I really love that he just genuinely wants to do his best for his sake ;w; I'm proud of him for learning to control himself better and think before he acts, I feel like their relationship is on the right track to being a balanced one with healthy boundaries now. It's the way they both just care so much about eachother completely altruistically... sobs

I really like how they're contrasting eachother right now too... Like in the Sasaki scene vs Niibashi scene: Kagi has already learned to cope with jealousy and can mostly brush it off - Hirano is only just now realizing he can even feel that way and almost immediately gets anxious enough to act on it. He's basically just speedrunning all the turbulent emotions Kagi has already experienced lol, I wonder if things will keep going like this until he's finally caught up to where Kagi is presently at? (within his own physical and mental limits, of course)

Niibashi's idea was adorable and the whole segment of them working together has me feeling so soft, I know I say this every chapter but their friendship seriously heals me 😭 Man you know it's a good manga when even the platonic relationships have you kicking your feet and bouncing around. Also yay Shimizu!!! I hope we get to see him another time too, he's so cutieful :')

Thank you so much for the chapter!!! Last week was rough but reading this picked me right back up, I'm so happy this manga has such a dedicated team behind it!!

it's so interesting how Hirano asked about the touching - I'm curious if that, on his side, he's starting to piece together the difference between friends and lovers? these 2 tend to reflect each other so maybe Kagi's “I want to be special to him” is Hirano realizing, on his side, in what ways he's special to Kagi?

I was thinking that too!! The way he's behaving different from usual, almost kinda romantically even, and being so assertive makes it seem like he's figuring stuff out. I really hope we get his perspective soon cuz omg how is he suddenly the one making them look more like a couple lol. Your entire comment resonates with me so much btw, and the point about reflecting is so good aaaaa :'>

I also wonder if we'll get a revisit of Hirano's line earlier in the series, when he realized the Kagi he likes is the Kagi that's in love with him? that was one of my fav sentiments and I feel like it'd be nice in contrast to Kagi's thoughts

Pleaseee that would be such a perfect full circle 😭 I really hope sensei brings that back some day!!

 

[springaura2]

thanks for the chapter!

 

[Thrembs]

I'm still really 😬 about the divide between their desires and boundaries.
AND the fact that they literally STARTED with violence.
Assault, and violent retaliation.

That's... not great. Like, that's fucked up! It's not something I can condone continuing in real life, and the realism and his developing personality is making me not like Kagi-kun as much.

He's being written as an unsatisfied thirst-machine, who's trying to get as much as he can from his BF, rather than focusing on what he can give.

He's really self-centred, now.
"What can I get? How much can I do? I want more."

Not "What does he need? How much does he want?"

This partnership is currently really unhealthy.

Sorry, was in an abusive relationship for years, and there was also a very similar mismatch of orientations.

They're being really annoyingly myopic.

 

[Maacchii]

He's being written as an unsatisfied thirst-machine, who's trying to get as much as he can from his BF, rather than focusing on what he can give.

He's really self-centred, now.
"What can I get? How much can I do? I want more."

Not "What does he need? How much does he want?"

I wouldn't say he doesn't think about Hirano's feelings at all, though. Yeah, Kagi's own desires have a strong grip on him and his thoughts, but he's trying to think past them and be considerate of Hirano. Like in this chapter when he was pondering and even asking Niibashi how it feels to be touched in a way you don't like. To me it reads like he wants to understand and he does care, even if the execution is somewhat lacking (he could still be less pushy with the physical contact imo). Honestly I can't tell what sensei's direction with their dynamic is right now, but I'd like to hope that she'll make up for the past and current messiness of it all eventually.

Being someone in a relationship that most would call abusive I actually find myself moreso seeing the good in Kagi rather than the bad. Like, at least Kagi cares about Hirano's personal life, cares about his wants and needs, gives him space, (now) asks him if it's ok to do something, doesn't guilt trip when he says no, loves Hirano for who he is despite their interests not fully aligning... He could be better, but he could be a whole lot worse too, and honestly I think it's a wonderful thing just to find someone who treats you like an equal, appreciates you as a person and lets you be who you are without judgement.

That being said, it's entirely valid if their relationship gets under your skin. I've read other stories that have made me feel the same way (I have a lot of romance icks) and rooting for a pairing that repeats the same toxic patterns you've experienced firsthand is rough, if not impossible.

You bring up good points and I can't fully disagree with nor properly dispute any of them, they were kinda set up to be a very imperfect pair from the start. They're definitely no ssmy despite being closely connected... I guess it just comes down to everyone's own suspension of disbelief and tolerance. Kagi's behaviour makes me uncomfortable sometimes too, but it's not a dealbreaker cuz I feel that maybe those parts are written precisely to show the ugly side of things. I could be wrong though, idk.

I hope I didn't come across as insensitive or hostile, not my intention at all. As much as I love this manga it's cool to also read critique towards it that isn't just the usual "where's the kissing" or "this shouldn't be a love story".

 

[Thrembs]

I wouldn't say he doesn't think about Hirano's feelings at all, though. Yeah, Kagi's own desires have a strong grip on him and his thoughts, but he's trying to think past them and be considerate of Hirano. Like in this chapter when he was pondering and even asking Niibashi how it feels to be touched in a way you don't like. To me it reads like he wants to understand and he does care, even if the execution is somewhat lacking (he could still be less pushy with the physical contact imo). Honestly I can't tell what sensei's direction with their dynamic is right now, but I'd like to hope that she'll make up for the past and current messiness of it all eventually.

Being someone in a relationship that most would call abusive I actually find myself moreso seeing the good in Kagi rather than the bad. Like, at least Kagi cares about Hirano's personal life, cares about his wants and needs, gives him space, (now) asks him if it's ok to do something, doesn't guilt trip when he says no, loves Hirano for who he is despite their interests not fully aligning... He could be better, but he could be a whole lot worse too, and honestly I think it's a wonderful thing just to find someone who treats you like an equal, appreciates you as a person and lets you be who you are without judgement.

That being said, it's entirely valid if their relationship gets under your skin. I've read other stories that have made me feel the same way (I have a lot of romance icks) and rooting for a pairing that repeats the same toxic patterns you've experienced firsthand is rough, if not impossible.

You bring up good points and I can't fully disagree with nor properly dispute any of them, they were kinda set up to be a very imperfect pair from the start. They're definitely no ssmy despite being closely connected... I guess it just comes down to everyone's own suspension of disbelief and tolerance. Kagi's behaviour makes me uncomfortable sometimes too, but it's not a dealbreaker cuz I feel that maybe those parts are written precisely to show the ugly side of things. I could be wrong though, idk.

I hope I didn't come across as insensitive or hostile, not my intention at all. As much as I love this manga it's cool to also read critique towards it that isn't just the usual "where's the kissing" or "this shouldn't be a love story".

Oh, honey, you gotta get out of there.

It's worth it.

I was in an abusive and generally toxic relationship for 8 years, and despite now living behind my sister's couch, my life is better.

Look at my apologism in the comments of "A princely girl's bad habits."

It took until I got away from her that I saw just how bad things in that are.

There are resources, and people out there that want to help.

The week on the street was worse*, but once I got under a roof, and got over the initial trauma of the many horrible things that happened in that week and then in that relationship, things were waaaaaaay better. And I moved to Texas. In the summer.

I had to taper off some of the antidepressants she pushed me into taking more and more of every time I tried to leave and she dragged me back with guilt tripping and empty promises.
"Maybe that's why you're unhappy. You should try that, first." I was literally jerking and spasming from the amount I was taking, and I was so spaced out all the time.
It's taken me over 6mo to get myself back together, but I'm physically and mentally healthier than I have been in a decade.

Get to a new city, and the moment it's merely inconvenient to block them, do it. They know how to fuck with your head. She kept needling me and being weird until I did. Insane demands (cat support!? Take her off my car insurance, when she has to be the one, and didn't have a car and the way laws in that state work, she needs insurance if she owns a car and has a licence, but never informed them that she had no car, let alone a new one), then randomly memes, then back to berating me, and I'd get worked up and have flashbacks...

And if you're the abuser... Leave. Just leave. Now. Leave everything but your personal files, go far away from them, and never turn back.

*she left me for someone with money, because we were going to need to move. I blew up when I realised that's what it was. They met once after chatting for a month, and got engaged. She got engaged to a stranger she met on FACEBOOK.
She threw me out earlier than she had planned, because I called her a moron and a gold digger. Because... She is those things.
Turns out he was a controlling abuser. Luckily she got out before they moved in together. Even a POS doesn't deserve to be treated like one. I was already severely malnourished (eating disorder, wasn't allowed to buy groceries), and nearly died.
When they broke up is when she demanded I pay my share of cat food and litter, for cats she wanted to keep, and that I DRIVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO COME GET THE STUFF I SAID TO EITHER SHIP TO ME, OR THROW AWAY. Managed to get them to bring it to a friend's, who I will have ship it soon.

She lives in a spare room with her first spouse, before me.


Does she think that women are supposed to be treated like crap in relationships, so she decided to do that to the only woman she's been with?

I think she's just a low-key sociopath.

 

[Maacchii]

Oh, honey, you gotta get out of there.

It's worth it.

I was in an abusive and generally toxic relationship for 8 years, and despite now living behind my sister's couch, my life is better.

Look at my apologism in the comments of "A princely girl's bad habits."

It took until I got away from her that I saw just how bad things in that are.

There are resources, and people out there that want to help.

The week on the street was worse*, but once I got under a roof, and got over the initial trauma of the many horrible things that happened in that week and then in that relationship, things were waaaaaaay better. And I moved to Texas. In the summer.

I had to taper off some of the antidepressants she pushed me into taking more and more of every time I tried to leave and she dragged me back with guilt tripping and empty promises.
"Maybe that's why you're unhappy. You should try that, first." I was literally jerking and spasming from the amount I was taking, and I was so spaced out all the time.
It's taken me over 6mo to get myself back together, but I'm physically and mentally healthier than I have been in a decade.

Get to a new city, and the moment it's merely inconvenient to block them, do it. They know how to fuck with your head. She kept needling me and being weird until I did. Insane demands (cat support!? Take her off my car insurance, when she has to be the one, and didn't have a car and the way laws in that state work, she needs insurance if she owns a car and has a licence, but never informed them that she had no car, let alone a new one), then randomly memes, then back to berating me, and I'd get worked up and have flashbacks...

And if you're the abuser... Leave. Just leave. Now. Leave everything but your personal files, go far away from them, and never turn back.

*she left me for someone with money, because we were going to need to move. I blew up when I realised that's what it was. They met once after chatting for a month, and got engaged. She got engaged to a stranger she met on FACEBOOK.
She threw me out earlier than she had planned, because I called her a moron and a gold digger. Because... She is those things.
Turns out he was a controlling abuser. Luckily she got out before they moved in together. Even a POS doesn't deserve to be treated like one. I was already severely malnourished (eating disorder, wasn't allowed to buy groceries), and nearly died.
When they broke up is when she demanded I pay my share of cat food and litter, for cats she wanted to keep, and that I DRIVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO COME GET THE STUFF I SAID TO EITHER SHIP TO ME, OR THROW AWAY. Managed to get them to bring it to a friend's, who I will have ship it soon.

She lives in a spare room with her first spouse, before me.


Does she think that women are supposed to be treated like crap in relationships, so she decided to do that to the only woman she's been with?

I think she's just a low-key sociopath.

Thank you for the concern, it's really really complicated and difficult but I'm working on building the courage to change things. And yes I am on the receiving end, already getting professional help though so no worries.

Sorry to hear you went through all that, sounds disastrous. I'm glad things are looking up now, even if not optimal at least the current situation sounds better than being treated like dirt and having to endure someone else's instability on the daily. The self-awareness to understand just how badly you were treated is a valuable thing to have though, I hope it helps you to avoid ending up in that same spot again. Please do continue to take care.

 

[Thrembs]

Thank you for the concern, it's really really complicated and difficult but I'm working on building the courage to change things. And yes I am on the receiving end, already getting professional help though so no worries.

Sorry to hear you went through all that, sounds disastrous. I'm glad things are looking up now, even if not optimal at least the current situation sounds better than being treated like dirt and having to endure someone else's instability on the daily. The self-awareness to understand just how badly you were treated is a valuable thing to have though, I hope it helps you to avoid ending up in that same spot again. Please do continue to take care.

I'm so glad to hear this.

I spoke up because I wish I had been told that.

If you have the luxury of getting ready first, absolutely take it.



But it feels like Kagi-kun is devolving.

 

[KSA.gal]

I know that it's supposed to be a shounen-ai but I'm still surprised that we haven't seen Kagiura with a boner lol