Isekai Kenkokuki - Vol. 8 Ch. 56.1

[MangaDex]

 

[BlackAeronaut]

Aaaaand another one bites the dust (metaphorically), and all due to their reactionary nature and stubborn pride.

I suspect the other force may have a much tougher fight on their hands, but this turn of events should give them pause to reconsider.

 

[LunaDelrey]

Not gonna lie I kinda lost the thread of the story...

 

[sdarkpaladin]

Page 9: They're starting running away

This line probably needs to be relooked at.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Page 9: They're starting running away

This line probably needs to be relooked at.

Pages 6 + 7: Pikes pointed up.

If there's one thing you learn about weapons, it's that the pointy end goes into the enemy. The enemy does not come from above.

Pikes are also the main weapon to use against cavalry, although with the length they're using, you probably wouldn't use them with shields. Ranged weapons also work well if it's not heavy cavalry, but you still want them defended by pikes. Unless it's horse archers, since foot archers > horse archers.

 

[seekermoc]

Page 9: They're starting running away

This line probably needs to be relooked at.

They also incorrectly pluralized infantry and cavalry throughout the whole chapter.

 

[seekermoc]

Pages 6 + 7: Pikes pointed up.

If there's one thing you learn about weapons, it's that the pointy end goes into the enemy. The enemy does not come from above.

Pikes are also the main weapon to use against cavalry, although with the length they're using, you probably wouldn't use them with shields. Ranged weapons also work well if it's not heavy cavalry, but you still want them defended by pikes. Unless it's horse archers, since foot archers > horse archers.

I'm not sure how that relates to the person you replied to. One is a translator/proofreader error, the other is the original artist's drawing.

Besides, it's extremely tiring to hold a long pole horizontally for any duration, especially since pikes aren't well balanced. You'd hold the vertically like that when marching in formation, when waiting/resting, or really any time combat isn't imminent. It looks like the cavalry attacked by surprise, so it's possible the pikemen were caught off-guard. Especially if the cavalry attacked from a flank, it's very difficult to turn a formation of pikemen, and straight impossible without first holding the pikes vertically while turning.

Pikes are also designed to have one end planted in the dirt, as no human has enough mass to withstand a horse charging into the tip of their pike, so they would naturally be angled upwards to some degree.

 

[GodricKharg]

Page 9: They're starting running away

This line probably needs to be relooked at.

Proofreading needs a bit of help but comparatively speaking my brain fixed it before I read the next word…

 

[GodricKharg]

Not gonna lie I kinda lost the thread of the story...

I think the problem is the size of the chapters… and frequency.

Id been reading the web novel fantrans and somehow lost the thread between chapter order and frequency… if I didn’t already know how most of the story goes I’d be more lost here I think…

I try to make it a policy to. Once every year or twol To read from scratch… and then that effort is lost waiting the next chapter.

lol

 

[ciera]

This war arc is pointlessly long and convoluted. Too many characters I don’t give a shit about and too much pointless posturing. The editor and mangaka should have gone through greater lengths to condense this part of the story because the only thing we care about is seeing dibel‘s head leave his body

 

[Kaarme]

This war was a big disaster for Domorgar. It would be quite funny of Rozel attacked them from the north. It just might be the end for the whole kingdom.

 

[AnotherDuck]

I'm not sure how that relates to the person you replied to. One is a translator/proofreader error, the other is the original artist's drawing.

Yeah, I was a bit distracted and accidentally didn't delete it after I re-read it and realised it didn't mean what I first thought it meant.

Besides, it's extremely tiring to hold a long pole horizontally for any duration, especially since pikes aren't well balanced. You'd hold the vertically like that when marching in formation, when waiting/resting, or really any time combat isn't imminent. It looks like the cavalry attacked by surprise, so it's possible the pikemen were caught off-guard. Especially if the cavalry attacked from a flank, it's very difficult to turn a formation of pikemen, and straight impossible without first holding the pikes vertically while turning.

Pikes are also designed to have one end planted in the dirt, as no human has enough mass to withstand a horse charging into the tip of their pike, so they would naturally be angled upwards to some degree.

Yes, they're heavy to hold for a long time; that's why I said you want two hands on them.

It doesn't look as if the cavalry surprised them by so much they didn't have time to even lower the pikes. It looks like they're ready enough.

There's a difference between "angled up" and "straight up".

 

[chickenstalker]

The namek arc continues...

 

[popmol]

This war arc is pointlessly long and convoluted. Too many characters I don’t give a shit about and too much pointless posturing. The editor and mangaka should have gone through greater lengths to condense this part of the story because the only thing we care about is seeing dibel‘s head leave his body

at some point it will be hard if its big event starts, ends soon after with antagonist dead.

 

[popmol]

thank you translator for translating another chapter!

 

[Grikath]

Yes, they're heavy to hold for a long time; that's why I said you want two hands on them.

It doesn't look as if the cavalry surprised them by so much they didn't have time to even lower the pikes. It looks like they're ready enough.

There's a difference between "angled up" and "straight up".

Dunno if you've ever done pike drill ( be it bill block, or the ancient phalanx/renaissance pike block variety) , but your stick is either straight up, or charged. nothing in between. Unless you would like a literal bollocking from the Sargeant.
First thing you learn doing that type of drill.. You end up in a mess of tangled pointy sticks if you don't.. Which will, unsurprisingly, end up with you and your mates losing your lives.

The depicted battle does contain a lot of Narrativium, given that those supposedly well trained heavy pike should easily be able to sound off to "right turn!, Charge your Arm!, Set for Horse!" by any capabe line officer in just over as much time as it takes to notice the incoming cavalry, and to shout the orders. About 20 seconds. You train for that stuff, that's the whole idea of block work.
And those pike skirmishers on the flanks are exactly there to notice Unpleasant Surprises and relay them to the main block..
And horses are fast, but not that fast. The flank should have been able to adjust and set for charge.

There's soooooo much wrong with the whole idea of a "well-trained army" there.. But then again.. You could already tell with the enemy heavy cavalry being goaded into a trap.. Much Ego and battle frenzy, very little in the way of actual discipline.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Dunno if you've ever done pike drill ( be it bill block, or the ancient phalanx/renaissance pike block variety) , but your stick is either straight up, or charged. nothing in between.

Nope, but I do know that anything longer than to the next person ahead needs to be handled carefully, and when you have something long enough to reach several people forward, you absolutely need good order.

There's soooooo much wrong with the whole idea of a "well-trained army" there.. But then again.. You could already tell with the enemy heavy cavalry being goaded into a trap.. Much Ego and battle frenzy, very little in the way of actual discipline.

Yeah, that's kind of what I think as well. It's a bit like inexperienced nobles who think they can lead an army just because they're nobles (a very real thing), along with troops who aren't as well-trained as they're claimed to be (which as far as I know is only really true if they have to recruit fresh troops without time to train them).

 

[Grikath]

which as far as I know is only really true if they have to recruit fresh troops without time to train them

Not with heavy infantry, really. The green, partially trained , newbies would be in the first two rows up front and centre.

The flanks, including the light skirmishers would be experienced .
And not for anything fluffy or nice. It's to box in the excitable greenhorns up front to keep their minds on matters..
Developed by the Egyptians and Assyrians, fully developed by the Greeks and Persians, perfected by the Romans. Copied/adapted since then up until the Napoleonic Wars/US Civil War.
And still everywhere as your basic riot police squad format..

But I digress... ( bad Nerd!.. no bikkie!.. ). The flanks should not have collapsed like that even under command of incompetent nobles. The sargeants would have made sure of that first, and deflected the doodoo later. Possibly accompanied by the sad news that Lord Nincompoop valiantly earned his posthumous war-hero status. Battlefields are tricky things...

 

[dahhv2]

What is this manga about again?

 

[BadHaremSchollar]

Pages 6 + 7: Pikes pointed up.

If there's one thing you learn about weapons, it's that the pointy end goes into the enemy. The enemy does not come from above.

Pikes are also the main weapon to use against cavalry, although with the length they're using, you probably wouldn't use them with shields. Ranged weapons also work well if it's not heavy cavalry, but you still want them defended by pikes. Unless it's horse archers, since foot archers > horse archers.

Pikes and the superior halberd come later historically.

These are just light infantry and light cavalry.

But indeed, where are their bows.