Mairimashita! Iruma-kun - Ch. 445 - Remember.

[dowiet]

oh boy here we go again

 

[Thalandor]

well, there was the theory that she will become iruma's security demon...soooo....

 

[riflow]

Oh shiida is going to have to think if she really wants to side with her current team I see.

 

[DivineShadow]

The storm that's approaching?

Pretty soon a devil may cry.

That is amazing. Love the reference, BUT, remember, DEVILS NEVER CRY!

 

[PLInkali]

Baal has a 39 step plan that involves extracting Delkira from Iruma and Narnia has a two step plan the involves killing Iruma. Phone-kun is gonna try to save the day

Reminds me of a reaction video for MHA.
The reactor is sobbing emotionally.
Truck drives through the situation.
"NO, Truck-kun! you are NOT going to isekai Deku! 😭😭😭🤧"

 

[biznizz]

I wonder does this mean that Narnia is not working with the Six Fingers?

Narnia's goals intersect with Baal's in a few ways, which is why he cooperated with Baal to establish Atori & Shiida as teachers based on his recommendation. But Narnia isn't part of Baal's cabal.

Narnia wants a "pure" world with only demons as the Underworld's only masters.
Baal wants a "pure" world where demons are allowed to be as Origin as they were before Derkila.

They are distinctly different, but not mutually exclusive in several ways.

Why is Narnia here?

Narnia has been planning on having a human deportation bill ready since Iruma helped the Many-Ears begin their independence, and Mephisto officially became Iruma's ally, upsetting the balance of the Crowns itself. Presumably, the bill has been in the works for awhile, kept secret from Henri, since Ameri is presumably also going to be caught up in it despite her "being a pure demon" otherwise.

So is that the Kalego's bastard brother that's obsessed with consuming human blood or something cuz idk? power or someshit? And this is just after that whole Ameri Flashback Origin "arc".

Narnia isn't obsessed with eating humans, at least not necessarily. He's obsessed with killing them since they sully the Underworld's purity with their presence. He also wants to eventually kill all the Deities as well. He's a pure demon-supremacist, presumably getting it from his father.

I believe this is happening after we finally got the confirmation that Ameri's mom was a human as a way to get her to finally be arrested as a "human" and either experimented on or attempted to be killed.

Or, at least, Baal will show that two "humans" gaining such high ranks proves that the ranking system is flawed and should be abolished.

ADDENDUM:
I also realize that Baal getting the recording of Iruma admitting that he's human from his year's Harvest Festival might also finally come into play!

 

[Viper4lyfe]

looks like the shit will be hitting the fan soon. I am just going to say it is about fucking time

 

[mageofeverlife]

Narnia's goals intersect with Baal's in a few ways, which is why he cooperated with Baal to establish Atori & Shiida as teachers based on his recommendation. But Narnia isn't part of Baal's cabal.

Narnia wants a "pure" world with only demons as the Underworld's only masters.
Baal wants a "pure" world where demons are allowed to be as Origin as they were before Derkila.

They are distinctly different, but not mutually exclusive in several ways.



Narnia has been planning on having a human deportation bill ready since Iruma helped the Many-Ears begin their independence, and Mephisto officially became Iruma's ally, upsetting the balance of the Crowns itself. Presumably, the bill has been in the works for awhile, kept secret from Henri, since Ameri is presumably also going to be caught up in it despite her "being a pure demon" otherwise.



Narnia isn't obsessed with eating humans, at least not necessarily. He's obsessed with killing them since they sully the Underworld's purity with their presence. He also wants to eventually kill all the Deities as well. He's a pure demon-supremacist, presumably getting it from his father.

I believe this is happening after we finally got the confirmation that Ameri's mom was a human as a way to get her to finally be arrested as a "human" and either experimented on or attempted to be killed.

Or, at least, Baal will show that two "humans" gaining such high ranks proves that the ranking system is flawed and should be abolished.

ADDENDUM:
I also realize that Baal getting the recording of Iruma admitting that he's human from his year's Harvest Festival might also finally come into play!

Damn been a while so I forgot that plot detail regarding Narnia and Baal

 

[mageofeverlife]

So you're still working with them. But we all know she's going to change sides sooner or later

What are you talking about. I said Narnia not Shiida.

 

[Seath5252]

The rest of Six Fingers should probably question her loyalty after she stopped Atori, but her stopping Atori could also be viewed as her maintaining her cover after he blew it.

They did for a while. Atori looked genuinely hurt and betrayed until it was Baal who actually stepped in and told him that exact thing of "No, she just saved our mission you compromised thanks to your screw up, by making herself look loyal to them and keeping her damn cover."

 

[PLInkali]

Narnia's goals intersect with Baal's in a few ways, which is why he cooperated with Baal to establish Atori & Shiida as teachers based on his recommendation. But Narnia isn't part of Baal's cabal.

Narnia wants a "pure" world with only demons as the Underworld's only masters.
Baal wants a "pure" world where demons are allowed to be as Origin as they were before Derkila.

They are distinctly different, but not mutually exclusive in several ways.



Narnia has been planning on having a human deportation bill ready since Iruma helped the Many-Ears begin their independence, and Mephisto officially became Iruma's ally, upsetting the balance of the Crowns itself. Presumably, the bill has been in the works for awhile, kept secret from Henri, since Ameri is presumably also going to be caught up in it despite her "being a pure demon" otherwise.



Narnia isn't obsessed with eating humans, at least not necessarily. He's obsessed with killing them since they sully the Underworld's purity with their presence. He also wants to eventually kill all the Deities as well. He's a pure demon-supremacist, presumably getting it from his father.

I believe this is happening after we finally got the confirmation that Ameri's mom was a human as a way to get her to finally be arrested as a "human" and either experimented on or attempted to be killed.

Or, at least, Baal will show that two "humans" gaining such high ranks proves that the ranking system is flawed and should be abolished.

ADDENDUM:
I also realize that Baal getting the recording of Iruma admitting that he's human from his year's Harvest Festival might also finally come into play!

That fact that Iruma, adopted, with the contract and all, HAS to be a citizen, yet might be detained makes the allegory the second-hammiest of fisted after the Many-ears arc.

It's like when Summerset dropped for ESO.
"Oh. That's cool, I guess." Kinda breaks immersion, but makes me smirk. "Hah! Loser bigots being losers."

 

[biznizz]

That fact that Iruma, adopted, with the contract and all, HAS to be a citizen, yet might be detained makes the allegory the second-hammiest of fisted after the Many-ears arc.

It's like when Summerset dropped for ESO.
"Oh. That's cool, I guess." Kinda breaks immersion, but makes me smirk. "Hah! Loser bigots being losers."

?

Nishi has been planning this plot point long, LONG before the current US administration amped up ICE deportations.

Also, you're just completely wrong about Iruma's adoption.

Sullivan ILLEGALLY went to the human world, ILLEGALLY adopted a human and ILLEGALLY brought him to the Underworld and passed him off as a demon. Border Patrol has ALWAYS said that humans cannot be living in the Underworld, due to concerns for their safety to keep them from being EATEN or because of supremacist views depending on the person. Iruma's status as "Sullivan's grandson" becomes null and void the moment everyone realizes that Iruma was basically kidnapped and trafficked to a different universe entirely, even if he's living in a better life now.

This isn't a case about the author making political statements about "thing that's happening in US". Please, stop being politically brainrotted.

 

[PLInkali]

?

Nishi has been planning this plot point long, LONG before the current US administration amped up ICE deportations.

This series started in what year?
ICE started under an entirely different administration, and didn't stop activities, anyway.

Also, you're just completely wrong about Iruma's adoption.

Sullivan ILLEGALLY went to the human world, ILLEGALLY adopted a human and ILLEGALLY brought him to the Underworld and passed him off as a demon.

You can become a citizen after illegal entry.
You can adopt a child that entered illegally, even in the USA. It's complicated, but only because it has been made so, for many reasons. Some better, some worse.

Border Patrol has ALWAYS said that humans cannot be living in the Underworld, due to concerns for their safety to keep them from being EATEN or because of supremacist views depending on the person.

That doesn't make it a law.
It's rare enough that there's no need for one to have been drafted before Narnia.

Iruma's status as "Sullivan's grandson" becomes null and void the moment everyone realizes that Iruma was basically kidnapped and trafficked to a different universe entirely, even if he's living in a better life now.

His parents put him up for adoption.
The exchange of funds would make it trafficking in the human world, but they teach you how to kill and torture in school, here.
Things be different.

This isn't a case about the author making political statements about "thing that's happening in US". Please, stop being politically brainrotted.

Lol, I didn't mention anything about the real world, and you already knew what was happening, because it's obvious.

The bad guys are part of the what patrol? hmm?
Their uniforms resemble what other group?

Keep in mind that Nishi is clearly Jewish. (I have impeccable Jewdar. I can watch a film knowing nothing and know if the writer or director are Jewish. It doesn't matter a person's genetics. We can find each other. I have seen people of various colours, made eye contact, and we both know. "Sup!" bow, smile, move on.
A podcaster was once asked "what do you look for?"
"...We look for someone who looks like they're looking for someone."
Point is I was pretty sure, and the Many-ears arc forced me to believe my hopes, much like Clara's mindscape adventure making the Love Trio clearly A THING. I hadn't dared to dream. They went on a date and shared a drink with a heart in it. It made me so bloody happy.)

Now go read the Many-ears arc again, and tell me Nishi doesn't make political statements.
I don't agree with that particular statement.

You can care about our history and people without siding with... that disaster.

Anyway, I think that if she's willing to pour piles of Judaism into this says that she likes putting real life allegory and such into this, regardless of mass appeal.

I'm being intentionally vague, because I'm trying to talk about the manga, not what the manga is talking about.

The idea of talking about art without mentioning politics is mind-melting, but it's policy.

I'm here to make jokes, and saying "Yeesh. A bit heavy-handed lol" was supposed to elicit a smirk, not trigger you.

Is Narnia a bigot? Yes.
Are Altmer bigots? Yes.

Are these allegories for things? Duh.

Edit: Their counterpoint?
"UR DUM"

 

[PLInkali]

I forgot I'm supposed to be making predictions.

Iruma officially starts the Mazikeenversion process in the next ten chapters.

 

[FireFistAce]

Going out on a limb here what if at one point Iruma makes Kalego's brother his familiar as well. Since hes human the rule that they can only have one may not apply to him.

And if if his brother tries to harm Iruma then he'll get punished. So, he'll be a big help against the Fingers. And Shida will betray them as well and protect Iruma.

So having 3, 7-8 rank demons aside from his grandpa, Opera, Henri, Mephesto, Amuryllis, he's one of the safest in the demon world.

 

[fight2live]

okaaaay... for the next arc, should i root for the terrorist group (Six Fingers) or the law enforcer (Border Patrol)???

 

[PLInkali]

Going out on a limb here what if at one point Iruma makes Kalego's brother his familiar as well. Since hes human the rule that they can only have one may not apply to him.

And if if his brother tries to harm Iruma then he'll get punished. So, he'll be a big help against the Fingers. And Shida will betray them as well and protect Iruma.

So having 3, 7-8 rank demons aside from his grandpa, Opera, Henri, Mephesto, Amuryllis, he's one of the safest in the demon world.

Wait, even if this doesn't happen NOW, that's totally where the plot is gonna go.

You just crystslised disparate thoughts that had been bouncing around particularly pointlessly in my bullshit brain for years.

In the hands of a human, the ring CAN subjugate demons. It did, immediately! All he has to do is pandolura into the sky to expel the stored mana, and sic Ali on them.

SLUUUUURRRP they have no mana.

Then they can make a choice: submit or get familiar with familiarity.

Maybe it lasts more than a year if the Seal of Solomon is on the first seal, not a pentagram circle.

Iruma isn't the most powerful demon in the Netherworld.

...but only because he's not trained-up fully, and hasn't gotten his demonism certificate, yet.

He can have as much mana as he wants. Refill off his enemies like some kind of vampire, use it on other enemies.
Even if he ran out, he'd be physically fine. Mana can be transferred, so Azz has unlimited mana, too.
His blood is probably one hell of a buff for allies in tiny doses.
...maybe his body is so full of buffage that a smooch sends a demon into Unlimited Cosmic Power, taken to Ludicrous Speed.

He just doesn't know many spells, and is a nice human boy.


The being with the highest potential in this world is a pudgy little cinnamon roll.
Good thing them!

 

[PLInkali]

That fact that Iruma, adopted, with the contract and all, HAS to be a citizen, yet might be detained makes the allegory the second-hammiest of fisted after the Many-ears arc.

It's like when Summerset dropped for ESO.
"Oh. That's cool, I guess." Kinda breaks immersion, but makes me smirk. "Hah! Loser bigots being losers."

I get the feeling that someone in the comments might be a bigot....

 

[biznizz]

You can become a citizen after illegal entry.
You can adopt a child that entered illegally, even in the USA. It's complicated, but only because it has been made so, for many reasons. Some better, some worse.

This is the Underworld. This is a place where, if there are illegal immigrants (humans), they're in immediate danger of being eaten by the citizenry. If it was possible at all for humans to be given citizenship, then Sullivan wouldn't have needed to illegally go to the human world, make a contract with humans that he'd only barely get away with due to his Crown status, and he could just say "Iruma is human, but if you eat him, I'll kill you and your entire bloodline". But he doesn't, he can't.

Narnia's father basically tried to goad Henri into giving his (human) wife and his "otherwise demon" daughter to be experimented on in a secret government led laboratory, with only Henri's status as their "owner" keeping Nightwalker from taking them outright. It wasn't until the literal Acting Demon King had to step in and force the issue shut (sending away Merize, keeping Ameri's status so secret that numerous bribes and deals had to be made), that the last major incident with a human in the Underworld even had it's bittersweet resolution.

I know you're probably going to say, "Sullivan is a Crown, can't he do whatever he wants?" in regards to having his adoption contract with Iruma's parents honored and the boy allowed to stay. And that's the big thing: that is the big elephant in the room. If it was possible for that to happen, it would have happened already. But it didn't. And there's probably a big reason for it, that not even a Crown can overrule it.

Underworld's rules /= human world's rules on naturalization of illegal immigrants.

That doesn't make it a law.
It's rare enough that there's no need for one to have been drafted before Narnia.

Before, they didn't have to humans (in Narnia's eyes) that are living outside of containment of Border Patrol:
Iruma with Crown Sullivan, and Ameri with Crown Henri.

Before, they didn't have humans earning rankings, both high enough that they'd qualify for graduation before the end of each of their first years.

Before, they didn't have a number of powerful figures circling around them, including some of the 13 most politically powerful demons in the whole Underworld. Asmodeus, Mephisto, Barbatos, Azazel, Sullivan.

There wasn't a law. That's why Narnia is pushing for that law to be made more than just unstated policy. A law that would supersede the objections of those powerful demons that Iruma and Ameri's circles of influence and protection.

His parents put him up for adoption.
The exchange of funds would make it trafficking in the human world, but they teach you how to kill and torture in school, here.
Things be different.

And this affects the Border Patrol's rules... how? Why the fuck would they care that some humans didn't think that they made an illegal deal with Sullivan.

Yes, this is the Underworld, where "things be different". That's why you thinking of Iruma being made a citizen based on real world scenarios shouldn't apply either.

The bad guys are part of the what patrol? hmm?
Their uniforms resemble what other group?

Keep in mind that Nishi is clearly Jewish. (I have impeccable Jewdar. I can watch a film knowing nothing and know if the writer or director are Jewish. It doesn't matter a person's genetics. We can find each other. I have seen people of various colours, made eye contact, and we both know. "Sup!" bow, smile, move on.
A podcaster was once asked "what do you look for?"
"...We look for someone who looks like they're looking for someone."
Point is I was pretty sure, and the Many-ears arc forced me to believe my hopes, much like Clara's mindscape adventure making the Love Trio clearly A THING. I hadn't dared to dream. They went on a date and shared a drink with a heart in it. It made me so bloody happy.)

I'm not going to say that Nishi isn't part of Japan's relatively small Jewish population, because I don't know that. I know that the rankings are based on the Jewish alphabet. I know that the Demon language is basically Japanese that's written to look like Hebrew lettering. I assumed that it's done because Nishi wanted to tie King Solomon and the demons of the Ars Goetia into the setting, complete with name dropping the human as part of the Demon King's prophecy.

And while I can't say with absolute certainty that Nishi based Border Patrol's fervent rule to expel outsiders on Japan's historical isolationism that had them banish or exterminate outsider "heretics" as opposed to any commonalities between any groups in the USA or in 1930's Germany... I know which one I would say it much more likely.

I'll just say it, I find your statements that Nishi made the manga as a statement on real world politics just as ludicrous as the former admin of the Silent Hill wikia that said the developers of the first 4 games were "trying to wake people up" about "the sins of America" that involved satanism and circumsion conspiracies.

Now go read the Many-ears arc again, and tell me Nishi doesn't make political statements.

I agree it's a political statement. I'm just saying it's not based on any specific incident, but more of how the powerful keep a minority underfoot and beholden to enrich themselves, which is a tale as old as humankind itself.

I get the feeling that someone in the comments might be a bigot....

Edit: Their counterpoint?
"UR DUM"

So I'm a bigot because I gave you Dumb reactions? Get the fuck over yourself. I'm anti-ICE, anti-N**i, anti anti-Semitsm. I called your statements stupid, because they're stupid, not for any other reason.