Make the Exorcist Fall in Love - Ch. 104 - Speech

[MangaDex]

 

[failsrus1996]

the Russian Government launched an attack before evacuations were complete

That's the most Russian thing I've ever read in a manga

 

[Faldo]

Ahh, good old guilty by being a member of "insert group here."
It could be any group, but in every case, we have shitty people who do those kinds of reasoning.

 

[trumuted]

Imagine the faces of the vast majority of the world who aren't chrisitans in a slightest. Some super sexist foreign magic woman comes to your place and says that a foreign imaginary old magic dude said something she doesn't like in an old foreign fairy tale book, and that you should care otherwise she will kill you. Cool.

 

[Eighty-six]

It's funny how this girl is named "Vasilisa", since instead of being wise, she dumb as fuck

woman talking about some Genesis 3:16 and doesn't even bother to read Genesis 3:17, I'm creasing-- women more oppressed than her have better reading skills

she's even talking like she just exited a time-warp from like, a century ago-- she has beef with "the Church" as if there are still historically Christian countries that haven't had female politicians

this girl is in Russia-- does she know about the empresses regnant of Russia?

she keeps talking like it's because of Christianity that women are subjugated, like women in the Roman Empire weren't initially more attracted to it because it taught that women were equally human and not malformed males

Spoiler: one more thing

instead of being "beautiful", she ugly with no alibi-- woman needs a name change

 

[breadhub]

woman talking about some Genesis 3:16 and doesn't even bother to read Genesis 3:17

Genesis 3:16 applies to women, Genesis 3:17 applies to men but considering that both men and women need food to survive, I'd argue it applies to both.
All-in-all, it still feels like women are getting done dirty compared to men there.

 

[ninkek]

Welp, time to beat the real final boss of Christianity, feminism!

 

[Eighty-six]

Genesis 3:16 applies to women, Genesis 3:17 applies to men but considering that both men and women need food to survive, I'd argue it applies to both.

The point of Genesis 3:17 isn't about the needing of food-- they were already eating. It's about how the labors of men are multiplied because nature will no longer cooperate with his efforts to cultivate it.

Not that it matters-- that's really the wrong way to read Genesis 3 to begin with, but the point is that Baba Yaga is operating under this delusion that men don't suffer at all, even when the book she's claiming to read from refutes this in the same vicinity as her mined quote.

 

[1986ctcel]

The point of Genesis 3:17 isn't about the needing of food-- they were already eating. It's about how the labors of men are multiplied because nature will no longer cooperate with his efforts to cultivate it.

Not that it matters-- that's really the wrong way to read Genesis 3 to begin with, but the point is that Baba Yaga is operating under this delusion that men don't suffer at all, even when the book she's claiming to read from refutes this in the same vicinity as her mined quote.

The whole point is that Women apparently suffer more than Men because in addition to the stuff in 3:17, they also have to deal with being divinely cursed to experience painful and life-threatening (even in the modern day) childbirth in addition to the fact that Lilith's lore is canon here so yes Women are divinely cursed to be "submit" Men and will get punished by God if they don't (hence why Lilith was kicked out of Eden for not wanting to submit to Adam).

Same way God genocided humanity and the Nephilim with the Great Flood here.

 

[Eighty-six]

The whole point is that Women apparently suffer more than Men

And what I'm riffing on, is not that she thinks that women suffer "more" than men-- it's that she only recognizes the suffering of women. It doesn't cross her mind that men received their own peculiar curse at all, talk less of their common fate. Furthermore, she charges men and "the Church" with using the Bible to justify their (again, alleged, especially in their time) subjugation of women. She's not arguing that women suffer more than men, which is why it matters that she could read Genesis 3:16 and not the verse that immediately follows. It doesn't cross her mind that for the variety of forms of suffering men and women uniquely and jointly suffer, these sufferings are bent towards a death they will equally suffer.

Also, she's not referencing Lilith as she speaks of "the curse of Eve", so that's not relevant to her confused tirade.

The more we talk about this, the more I realize that there are levels to her stupid-- and we haven't even gotten to how she's preparing to cause mass death of men and women alike.

 

[Sasso]

Father Anderson? Yeah, this gal right here

 

[breadhub]

The point of Genesis 3:17 isn't about the needing of food-- they were already eating. It's about how the labors of men are multiplied because nature will no longer cooperate with his efforts to cultivate it.

Not that it matters-- that's really the wrong way to read Genesis 3 to begin with, but the point is that Baba Yaga is operating under this delusion that men don't suffer at all, even when the book she's claiming to read from refutes this in the same vicinity as her mined quote.

I get what you mean, but this manga is also set in a modern era world, where women seem to be working as hard as men.
That kinda nullifies the point of Genesis 3:17 in this modern context, yet Genesis 3:16 still applies.
So I don't really think it was necessarily ignorant for Baba Yaga to omit saying that part (also, just exacerbating the difference in women's favour is kinda important for getting supporters for her plan).

 

[fight2live]

reasonable demand, tbh

 

[Eighty-six]

I get what you mean, but this manga is also set in a modern era world, where women seem to be working as hard as men.

That's not the point-- the point is that man is cursed, woman is cursed, humans in general have invited into creation this curse of death that promotes sufferings of various kinds, and all their suffering is naturally bent towards that common destination of death that affects man and woman alike. Putting aside that there's hardly an era where women didn't work about as much as men did even if they didn't do the same kind of work, the point is that

1. A specific curse pertaining to men was exposited, and

2. Baba Yaga doesn't point that out and implies that men don't suffer at all

It doesn't matter whether it's no longer applicable (it would still be, especially outside of urban zones, talk less developed countries); her entire tirade doesn't acknowledge that verse in the first place, so that-- perhaps-- she can talk about how we were able to overcome the hostile environment but woman is still cursed with childbirth pains and disadvantageous relationship dynamics. That's part of how you know she didn't even acknowledge it to start, and it's part of how you know she has a caricatured and idealized idea of "men".

So I don't really think it was necessarily ignorant for Baba Yaga to omit saying that part (also, just exacerbating the difference in women's favour is kinda important for getting supporters for her plan).

I didn't accuse her of being "ignorant"-- I asserted that she was "dumb as fuck". I can comprehend her using rhetoric in a public announcement, omitting and exaggerating as necessary in order to be the most convincing, but it's that she described a world with facets that either obviously no longer exist or never did while very notably ignoring wholesale the suffering of men, while addressing a whole world (where there exists all kinds of people in all kinds of living conditions) as though it was just one context she was addressing.

I don't even think this is the first time this manga has addressed this kind of fallacy-- that's why I was able to have levity as I riffed about Baba Yaga being an idiot that's taking out her traumas or whatever she's dealing with, out on the world.