Maou ni Natta node, Dungeon Tsukutte Jingai Musume to Honobono suru - Vol. 8 Ch. 55.2

[MangaDex]

 

[XNFEdayo]

Awww, while this is one of the manga I actually want the MC to stay faithful to the MH...I really feel bad for Nell. She's cute and pure, hopefully she doesn't go down the route of harem past and not find a nice guy other than MC.

 

[BatCrow]

Awww, while this is one of the manga I actually want the MC to stay faithful to the MH...I really feel bad for Nell. She's cute and pure, hopefully she doesn't go down the route of harem past and not find a nice guy other than MC.

Spoiler: LN reader ->

Sadly yeah that's the route it goes, they do all stay as fairly interesting characters that keep getting development after the point but...

 

[Tatsuya-Kai]

Spoiler: LN reader ->

Sadly yeah that's the route it goes, they do all stay as fairly interesting characters that keep getting development after the point but...

Spoiler: More LN stuff

To be fair, it's mostly lefi who get's him to go along with it, yuki is the one most reluctant in the entire development, which is kind of odd in harems.
I will give it to this though, at least lefi's reason for it is more sound than most top wife's.

 

[XNFEdayo]

@BatCrow
I really hate that kind of thing. If you're gonna make multiple love interests, either make it a true harem or let them find their own happiness if the MC reject them.

@Tatsuya-Kai
First, don't see too many Orphen fans, good on ya!
Yeah, even thus far in the manga the relationship is being pushed along by Lefi he's just kinda reacting to her. I wouldn't exactly say it's odd though, from my pov the females pushes development far moreso than the males in most harem works. It's the thing I like and dislike about harem works. The girls are more proactive but the guys are usually more.....passive (nice way of saying it) even when they know the girl like them and feel the same way they do.

Anywho, thanks both for the info. I don't really read LNs so info is appreciated.

 

[Shinigamisama]

Ouch. Somehow I find the harem route unnecessary. It's like the manga where the MC has a loving wolf wife.

 

[Esor]

She has small frame, still fit for loli character 😆

 

[BatCrow]

Spoiler: More LN stuff

To be fair, it's mostly lefi who get's him to go along with it, yuki is the one most reluctant in the entire development, which is kind of odd in harems.
I will give it to this though, at least lefi's reason for it is more sound than most top wife's.

Yeah and that is why I like this one more than most of the other harem stuff (that I usually just drop at the first hint of something going on)

 

[Kaarme]

Avoiding harem and having established girls going for other guys would be easier if there were other guys. Yuki doesn't have too many guys hanging around. Not that many isekai series do in general. If Nell got together with some faceless (hentai) man, it might annoy quite a few fans. If Yuki actually had a decent, useful male ally who had been developed alongside Yuki and the others, I don't think anyone would mind, as long as we don't talk about the most insecure self-insert readers, who absolutely require every girl to go for the MC. However, it might always be better to establish the potential pairings from early on.

 

[ForTheJerusalem]

Spoiler: More LN stuff

To be fair, it's mostly lefi who get's him to go along with it, yuki is the one most reluctant in the entire development, which is kind of odd in harems.
I will give it to this though, at least lefi's reason for it is more sound than most top wife's.

Isn't this more common in harems? Like the only harem where it's otherwise i can think of is The 100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Love You

 

[Tatsuya-Kai]

Isn't this more common in harems? Like the only harem where it's otherwise i can think of is The 100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Love You

Spoiler

When i say reluctant, i mean to the point of being outright against it, most harem leads tend to be reluctant but kinda give in, in yuki's case he points out that it feels like a betrayal of both of them and how his own previous life's morals make him feel like a utter scumbag, lefi's talking him into it is essentially speaking, she loves all of the people of the dungeon, and doesn't want them to suffer because of it nor is it really that unusual among dragons (though in lefi's case it would normally be the reverse since it's purely strength based), basically nell and the other girls are family to lefi and in lefi's case it's ok as long as it's them.

My point is that the harem is handled alot more intelligently and realistically from a east asian or western standpoint than most series, they don't just say "ok fine" they go through all of the stuff that it entails and work out the issues, basically yuki does care for nell both as family and romantically, but doesn't want to betray lefi or nell, the difficulty of dealing with that is why i like how this series handles it.
That said it still has the comedically ironic way of getting the third wife (lyuu) by pure accident because he didn't know her people's customs.

 

[manabi]

Yeah, even thus far in the manga the relationship is being pushed along by Lefi he's just kinda reacting to her. I wouldn't exactly say it's odd though, from my pov the females pushes development far moreso than the males in most harem works. It's the thing I like and dislike about harem works. The girls are more proactive but the guys are usually more.....passive (nice way of saying it) even when they know the girl like them and feel the same way they do.

You get girls who are more proactive and push the relationship along in real life, too. Not necessarily because they're strong or the guy is weak, but just because she's... I guess the best description is more "hungry" for things to progress quickly. I have a good friend who had that happen with his first girlfriend. He loved her, but he wanted to wait for marriage to have sex. She didn't, and she kept at him until she finally broke his resolve, by crying and saying she felt he didn't love her because he didn't want to have sex.

He didn't regret giving in, but she was definitely the one driving things along. Quite rapidly, too, as that happened about six weeks after they became a couple, and they became one just a few days after meeting. Oh, and she was younger than him to boot. (Ninth grade for her, twelfth for him.)

At least in this case Lefi's coming from a more mature standpoint, being significantly older than Yuki.

 

[XNFEdayo]

You get girls who are more proactive and push the relationship along in real life, too. Not necessarily because they're strong or the guy is weak, but just because she's... I guess the best description is more "hungry" for things to progress quickly. I have a good friend who had that happen with his first girlfriend. He loved her, but he wanted to wait for marriage to have sex. She didn't, and she kept at him until she finally broke his resolve, by crying and saying she felt he didn't love her because he didn't want to have sex.

He didn't regret giving in, but she was definitely the one driving things along. Quite rapidly, too, as that happened about six weeks after they became a couple, and they became one just a few days after meeting. Oh, and she was younger than him to boot. (Ninth grade for her, twelfth for him.)

At least in this case Lefi's coming from a more mature standpoint, being significantly older than Yuki.

ofc there are proactive girls IRL, that was never the point and completely immaterial towards what I was saying. Vast majority of relationships is one partner being proactive while the other is reactive and it's usually split between who is what. The point is as I said before: Females pushes development far more likely than the males in MOST harem works. The males are completely passive EVEN WHEN they know the girl they like ALSO likes them.

In other words, the bulk of the emotional and romantic heavy lifting is thrown on the shoulders of the female characters while the males just go along with it. The times the males could be proactive they usually give a stupid as hell reason for not pursing it, ignoring and/or downplaying obvious signs from the less proactive female characters, making stupid as hell excuses when the girl outright just tell him her feelings, etc, etc. until they are basically forced into it.

Now the example you gave is good, there was a clear cut reason as to him not being proactive towards sex "wanting to wait for marriage". He most likely had the desire but wanted to follow that line of thought. All she did was push him into the feelings he already had. While in manga, the guys are completely oblivious until like a single, earth shattering revelation happens and has no real reason for not pursuing the girl or girls he likes.

 

[thycondrius]

maiden heart = shattered