NEW GAME! - Vol. 9 Ch. 97
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That's a whole new level of bullshit. I don't know how hard matte painting is but you can't tell me that someone without knowledge prior in 3D or informatic material (remember that Hotaru is a painter on cavas not on a computer) can be that good in less than a week. I didn't read the Vol.5 on flashback so i don't really know but did Hotaru wasalwayssee as a genius ? Because i don't care about what Kou said, painting on a canvas and doing on a computer is not exactly the same thing. Also what the big deal with having newbies doing better than Kou each time ? Kou is suposs to be a genius but seem to be overcome in no time by both Aoba and Hotaru.
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I would say French is pain to learn how to read and speak. So many ignored letters...
@Lilliwyt Matte painting is based in traditional not CG art. And it's actually not -that- different form normal landscape of scene painting. It's essentially painting flat images as a background to look like it's not just in the background. It's a type of 'illusion'. So actually for an artist as well versed as Hotaru who already does a lot of scene and landscape painting, yes it actually is that easy, cause it'd mostly just be learning the tricks to it, and not actually learning new art techniques. You're separating CG and 'canvas' art too much though. The medium is different, but things like aesthetic sense and style and art theory all carry over. It's mostly just a matter of learning -how- to do the techniques you already know in the new medium. It's like playing a game with a controller and then switching to mouse and keyboard. You don't have to start from scratch, you just have to absorb the new 'controls'. (If you watch the youtuber Jazza and see him try out different mediums of art, you will see how a lot of stuff carries over and changing from one medium to another is mostly about familiarity (unless you do something like go from painting to sculpting))
And Aoba isn't 'better' than Kou, her style was just better suited towards the project. Kou is still considered much better than Aoba. And Hotaru since her introduction has been a better artist than Kou, she just wasn't a 'game artist'.
And Aoba isn't 'better' than Kou, her style was just better suited towards the project. Kou is still considered much better than Aoba. And Hotaru since her introduction has been a better artist than Kou, she just wasn't a 'game artist'.
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She can speak but can't read it.... ? I'm still learning english but it was the opposite for me, I can read it pretty well but speak?? ?HMMM!!! that's odd hahaha
Also good to see the cultural difference from one country to another, Japanese people are more reserved so you wouldn't expect such a blunt response lo/ and I agree, I draw too but I don't wake up early to do the basics and that shows in my speed and technique. In reality, everyone is capable of greatness, is just a matter of how much effort you're willing to put there, I can see a drawing and replicate the style to some degree because I understand most of the basics.
If you all want to learn about painting but don't want to read a book, you might want to try https://mangadex.org/title/34327/blue-period but just so you know, is not about drawing anime.
@doorken I remember Hotaru having a weird sense of humor but I wouldn't consider it a weakness.
Also good to see the cultural difference from one country to another, Japanese people are more reserved so you wouldn't expect such a blunt response lo/ and I agree, I draw too but I don't wake up early to do the basics and that shows in my speed and technique. In reality, everyone is capable of greatness, is just a matter of how much effort you're willing to put there, I can see a drawing and replicate the style to some degree because I understand most of the basics.
If you all want to learn about painting but don't want to read a book, you might want to try https://mangadex.org/title/34327/blue-period but just so you know, is not about drawing anime.
@doorken I remember Hotaru having a weird sense of humor but I wouldn't consider it a weakness.
Knowing this chapter was coming was one of the main reasons I've been so critical of Hotaru in previous chapters; the author tries to have it both ways. He presents her as having miraculous levels of talent, then turns around and says it's solely and entirely her own hard work-- look at how she practices sketching for 15 minutes every day! Which also by extension has the implication that anyone who doesn't have Hotaru's magical level of talent is simply not trying hard enough. Which completely ignores a big point of the spinoff: that no matter how hard Aoba worked she would never be able to match Hotaru.
Well, except for the part where she has industry veterans, presented as being among the top in the field, and who know all about her background, convinced she was professionally trained and has had years of practice. After two days of playing around with it.
@mogu She has had years of practice. Just not using a tablet. If she's still doing something close to her usual style, it's not as if all of her art talent suddenly disappears. That's not how art works. Historically look at all teh well accomplished artist, a large quantity of them were multi discipline. That is because your art sense doesn't just vanish when you change mediums, especially when you do something like go form canvas to digital. All that changes really are the controls. People make the mistake of comparing traditional -style- art to a more modern CG style and thinking the difficulty of that change is indicative of the difficulty of going from canvas to CG. That's not true. Hell there is a huge wave of mangaka going from traditional to tablets recently and for the most part it's been 'easy' for them they just needed to know how to apply their techniques to CG, because they didn't change styles, just tools. And considering Hotaru is not really doing 'in game' character art, but rather 'concept art' style character art, this is still similar to the art she already does, though a little different. And like I said she also already does landscapes and scene painting, so Matte painting is just a natural 'evolution' of that, but founded on the same techniques.
Edit: If this was anything but art you wouldn't even be saying this. If you asked a skater to use a new skateboard, or a a carpenter to use a new set of tools, or even a photographer to use a new camera and lighting set up, you wouldn't expect them to suddenly not know anything. You'd think it'd take them a period to get used to the new tools but then they'd be right back to where they were before very long (assuming they put in the effort to try to learn the new tools quickly)
Edit2: Also Kou is clearly indicating that Hotaru -is- talented, but she's not just coasting on her talent, she puts in the handwork every day. Like professional athletes. There's hard work and talent together that makes Hotaru who she is.
Edit: If this was anything but art you wouldn't even be saying this. If you asked a skater to use a new skateboard, or a a carpenter to use a new set of tools, or even a photographer to use a new camera and lighting set up, you wouldn't expect them to suddenly not know anything. You'd think it'd take them a period to get used to the new tools but then they'd be right back to where they were before very long (assuming they put in the effort to try to learn the new tools quickly)
Edit2: Also Kou is clearly indicating that Hotaru -is- talented, but she's not just coasting on her talent, she puts in the handwork every day. Like professional athletes. There's hard work and talent together that makes Hotaru who she is.
Hotaru sounds like a fanfiction self-insert who's good at everything and who everyone likes at times. Does she even have a negative trait so far? I genuinely can't remember if any has been shown.
Is she a genius? Or is it hard work? Obviously talent without polish doesn't go as far as it could, but don't try to have your cake and eat it too. Straight-up say that she's a genius but she's not riding on just that and actually working properly too, don't try to downplay the former and make it seem like it's all the latter.
Is she a genius? Or is it hard work? Obviously talent without polish doesn't go as far as it could, but don't try to have your cake and eat it too. Straight-up say that she's a genius but she's not riding on just that and actually working properly too, don't try to downplay the former and make it seem like it's all the latter.
But I'm not judging her based on the skills she shows. I'm judging based on how other experts in the field judge her skills. If they are saying its unbelievable, then it is supposed to be unbelievable. They know what the new techniques involve and are acquainted with Hotaru's past skillset, so if it was something meant to be that easily transferable, they would know.
Also Kou explicitly says that Hotaru's ability is entirely from hard work and that her managing to keep practicing is really the only thing she has that one could consider as any sort if talent. I don't know how well that came across in the translation, though.
Edit: however you might want to rationalize it being completely possible in the real world, within the story it is being depicted as completely unbelievable. While at the same time basically claiming it's entirely because she spends 15 minutes every morning sketching. Which sounds like the art version of Saitama's exercise routine.
Also Kou explicitly says that Hotaru's ability is entirely from hard work and that her managing to keep practicing is really the only thing she has that one could consider as any sort if talent. I don't know how well that came across in the translation, though.
Edit: however you might want to rationalize it being completely possible in the real world, within the story it is being depicted as completely unbelievable. While at the same time basically claiming it's entirely because she spends 15 minutes every morning sketching. Which sounds like the art version of Saitama's exercise routine.
I should also add on the real world front that I work in an artistic field and I regularly see new people come in from other fields. New people who are very fine artists in their own fields but nevertheless spend weeks or months in training trying to adapt to the specific skillset required for this particular one.
It's not as easy as "be a good artist, pick up any other artistic skill with a few days of playing around"
It's not as easy as "be a good artist, pick up any other artistic skill with a few days of playing around"
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As my father says, "genius is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration."
@mogu if you want to hold a conversation at people so they know you're talking to them.
And saying something it 'unbelievable' doesn't actually make it unbelievable, there's this thing called hyperbole.
Now as for medium change, I'm an artist myself who has switched mediums, so is my brother, and I know some people who have as well. Your knowledge of art doesn't just suddenly go away. As I mentioned before, people confuse simply switching mediums, with changing mediums as well as styles. Notice the thing Hotaru was good at was Matte painting, which is literally built off traditional art(since you work in the industry you know that) the character art, which is a little further from her style, she doesn't have results for yet. We haven't seen her carry over into 3D or anything like that. And matte painting was originally done by painting directly onto glass, all Hotaru would need to do to get good at matte painting is learn the tricks for it, and then learn how to use her painting techniques on a tablet(which she most likely practiced before she even got there cause she knew she was coming to work in a computer field) also as you can tell by their reactions, none of the staff is super familiar with matte painting, so their evaluation of the quality of it is not by an 'experienced professional'.
Which is the thing people are forgetting. Hotaru -knew- she was going to work here, she likely started practicing and learning before she arrived, so she's already familiar with working on tablets and PCs and probably learned how to carry over most her stuff already. She is no slouch, nor is she an idiot, she wouldn't have made the decision to work here if she didn't already have reason to believe that she could learn to do their kind of work, and that confidence would've come from study and practice before hand.
Learning the tools takes time yes, but it's not some daunting task until you have to change styles. Hell there are literally youtube videos on how to set up your CG program to work more like painting and many other things.
Edit: Also where are you getting you '15 minutes every morning' nonsense. We've seen Hotaru, if she is not doing something with her friends, she's painting. And for the record the clock on the desk, after Kou has already spent several minutes up, says it's about 6:10 in the morning. So we can assume Hotaru was up and out painting at like 6 in the morning that's more than just 15 mintues. And she does more painting than that throughout the day. It's just that morning that she spends -specifically- targeting the basics. She herself said she thought Kou was amazing because she "Doesn't do art outside of work" meaning Hotaru -does- do a lot of art outside of her 'work'.
And as well Kou does not say it's "only from hard work" she said "It didn't come out of nowhere. It's something she -developed- with hard work" meaning she took what she already had and refined and crafted it.
Edit2: And after rereading, Kou -still- calls Hotaru a genius (to her face I might add) not just a hard worker. So Kou is not saying "She's not a genius it's just hard work" she is saying she's "a genius that works hard". Also people need to stop taking Kou's evaluation as the 100% truth about Hotaru, Kou herself is a 'genius' artist who doesn't think of herself as one, so her opinion on what is a normal 'starting point' is skewed and she doesn't even know where Hotaru started, she only sees Hotaru's hard work and rapid growth. (in other words things Aoba or Nene have said don't suddenly become invalid just because Kou said something different, the truth lies somewhere in between it all.)
And saying something it 'unbelievable' doesn't actually make it unbelievable, there's this thing called hyperbole.
Now as for medium change, I'm an artist myself who has switched mediums, so is my brother, and I know some people who have as well. Your knowledge of art doesn't just suddenly go away. As I mentioned before, people confuse simply switching mediums, with changing mediums as well as styles. Notice the thing Hotaru was good at was Matte painting, which is literally built off traditional art(since you work in the industry you know that) the character art, which is a little further from her style, she doesn't have results for yet. We haven't seen her carry over into 3D or anything like that. And matte painting was originally done by painting directly onto glass, all Hotaru would need to do to get good at matte painting is learn the tricks for it, and then learn how to use her painting techniques on a tablet(which she most likely practiced before she even got there cause she knew she was coming to work in a computer field) also as you can tell by their reactions, none of the staff is super familiar with matte painting, so their evaluation of the quality of it is not by an 'experienced professional'.
Which is the thing people are forgetting. Hotaru -knew- she was going to work here, she likely started practicing and learning before she arrived, so she's already familiar with working on tablets and PCs and probably learned how to carry over most her stuff already. She is no slouch, nor is she an idiot, she wouldn't have made the decision to work here if she didn't already have reason to believe that she could learn to do their kind of work, and that confidence would've come from study and practice before hand.
Learning the tools takes time yes, but it's not some daunting task until you have to change styles. Hell there are literally youtube videos on how to set up your CG program to work more like painting and many other things.
Edit: Also where are you getting you '15 minutes every morning' nonsense. We've seen Hotaru, if she is not doing something with her friends, she's painting. And for the record the clock on the desk, after Kou has already spent several minutes up, says it's about 6:10 in the morning. So we can assume Hotaru was up and out painting at like 6 in the morning that's more than just 15 mintues. And she does more painting than that throughout the day. It's just that morning that she spends -specifically- targeting the basics. She herself said she thought Kou was amazing because she "Doesn't do art outside of work" meaning Hotaru -does- do a lot of art outside of her 'work'.
And as well Kou does not say it's "only from hard work" she said "It didn't come out of nowhere. It's something she -developed- with hard work" meaning she took what she already had and refined and crafted it.
Edit2: And after rereading, Kou -still- calls Hotaru a genius (to her face I might add) not just a hard worker. So Kou is not saying "She's not a genius it's just hard work" she is saying she's "a genius that works hard". Also people need to stop taking Kou's evaluation as the 100% truth about Hotaru, Kou herself is a 'genius' artist who doesn't think of herself as one, so her opinion on what is a normal 'starting point' is skewed and she doesn't even know where Hotaru started, she only sees Hotaru's hard work and rapid growth. (in other words things Aoba or Nene have said don't suddenly become invalid just because Kou said something different, the truth lies somewhere in between it all.)
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