Rinkoku kara Kita Yome ga Kawaisugite Doushiyou - Vol. 2 Ch. 11

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But I don't think this makes any sense. If the disease is a vitamin deficiency, and these people have been there for a while and have been eating rice and dried fish the whole time, shouldn't this "epidemic" be a longstanding problem and not something that's just happened recently?
 
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The linkage between Beriberi and Vitamin B1 deficiency was actually quite well known in Japanese textbooks thanks to the efforts of Count Takaki Kanehiro (the chief surgeon of the Imperial Japanese Navy during the Meiji era)
 
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Well that answers that. She's either reincarnated from the modern world and this is set in a game/novel that she has played or she's someone living their life a second time. I'm leaning towards the former since this is like the tenth time at least that I've seen Beri Beri being used as a disease explanation and easily handled.

Interesting to have a story told from the wife of a reincarnator rather than the reincarnator themselves.
 
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Orthopnea = medical term for shortness of breath or difficulty breathing that occurs when person is lying down, and which is relieved by sitting or standing up.
Cyanosis = refers to bluish-purple color of the skin. It is most easily seen where the skin is thin, such as the lips, mouth, earlobes and fingernails. Cyanosis means there may be decreased oxygen in the bloodstream. It may suggest a problem with the lungs or heart.

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in chapter 12, saryu will buy blue earrings for shitoen and suddenly she falls ill (menstruation). in chapter 15, shitoen will reveal to saryu that she is reincarnation. and saryu is like her former lover who died after being stabbed by an NPC
 
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But I don't think this makes any sense. If the disease is a vitamin deficiency, and these people have been there for a while and have been eating rice and dried fish the whole time, shouldn't this "epidemic" be a longstanding problem and not something that's just happened recently?

Well, that’s probably because the author skimmed the historical parallels between the current situation and how beriberi came to be a thing in Meiji era Japan and how it was eventually eradicated…probably expected a Japanese audience to get the reference and fill in the gaps (Takaki Kanehiro and his contributions to Japanese medicine/nutritional understanding is fairly well known).

See, back in the days rice was a staple food, but poor people had brown rice which had its bran coating intact. Polished white rice was considered a luxurious food meant for the rich back in the days, but polishing the bran off the rice also meant that it can be stored longer, so the military will pay to have the rice polished so it can be stored in the warehouses. Similarly, in major Japanese cities the warehouses of local merchants tend to be stocked with polished white rice since it’s much more shelf-stable, and they can pass the price increases onto their customers.

The ability to store polished rice for long periods of time meant that the Japanese military gave their soldiers and sailors as much white rice as they wanted, but charged for other (more perishable and expensive) foods - the idea was that it’ll limit uptake and simplify logistics - technically Japanese soldiers and sailors were granted a cash allowance to pay for the additional supplemental food items. For poorer sailors during voyages, many of them ended up eating nothing but white rice and salt so they can send money off the supplementary items allowance from their paychecks home. Army soldiers can theoretically forage for extra ingredients..but not always. It was observed that during longer campaigns or voyages, poorer soldiers and sailors who had nothing but polished white rice and salt developed beriberi, while their richer officers didn’t, despite them being in close proximity with each other. The only difference is that the officers also ate other things paid out of their larger cash allowance or out of their own pockets from the mess halls and galleys. When those poorer soldiers and sailors returned back to their families out in the countryside, their beriberi conditions improved or went away. Why was that? Their families at home can’t afford polished white rice from city merchants, so they had to have barley or locally grown rice (which is unpolished brown rice - either one will have double the cooking time of plain white rice). Where’s the B1 stored in rice? Within the bran coating that was polished off. The oil within the bran can go rancid over time and ruin the rice.

How did the Japanese Navy fought off Beriberi? They mixed barley onto their white rice (which was resisted by some sailors due to its “poor folk kibble” image…and this was further exacerbated by the fact that prisons started doing the same), but the army didn’t follow suit and suffered from it for 15 more years. Why didn’t they? Imperial navy officers were trained in the UK and were taught epidemiology while the Imperial army officers were trained in Prussia and were taught germ theory. In epidemiology all factors were considered as root to afflictions while germ theory concentrates on a malignant source of illness. The idea that you can become sick due to some kind of “imbalance” was a concept in ancient Chinese medicine (which amongst much Chinese know-how was adopted by Japan and held for centuries during the Shogunate era). This was seen as passé for Meiji Japan trying to absorb western ideas and catch up. While the core tenets of traditional Chinese medication seem like superstition, the benefit of a nutritionally balanced diet does deliver results here.
The Japanese emperor eventually ordered the army to add barley to their rice rations mostly out of pragmatism.

In the manga, the victims tend to be single men on exile who were on the fish-and-polished rice diet and little else. This is similar to the diets of Meiji day laborers in large Japanese cities like Osaka and Tokyo. For the urban lower and middle class, there was a folk remedy…which was to mix beans into the white rice, which also boosted its nutritional profile. It was however held as something shameful meant for the poor and ignorant. Even for the upper classes picky eaters can die from Beri-beri.
 
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But I don't think this makes any sense. If the disease is a vitamin deficiency, and these people have been there for a while and have been eating rice and dried fish the whole time, shouldn't this "epidemic" be a longstanding problem and not something that's just happened recently?
If the author thought that far ahead, it depends on several factors:
-What else were they eating in the Empire that kept them from being vitamin deficient?
-Was there something similar in their new home they were eating until recently that staved it off?
--if yes, was there a crop failure or something similar?
--if no, how long does it take for vitamin deficiency to get this bad and have they been exiled approximately that long?
 
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Thank you for the translation!

Right now I ignore any clues of reincarnation or such. They are so cute together that I enjoy every second of their interactions. She is just knowledgeable from a good education in a foreign land, and they met sometime in their youth. That is all. They are just cute as they found their perfect match. :)
 
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This makes no sense. Why are they eating white rice? White rice, or milled rice, is considered luxurious because milling grain is so labor intensive. Unless industrial milling already been invented and widespread, even poor people can buy them. But that means other areas of industrialization also would have developed. Which also means they should have more food selection to eat which would mean this could never happened.
 
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Well, that’s probably because the author skimmed on the historical parallels between how beriberi came to be a thing in Meiji era Japan and how it was eventually eradicated.

See, back in the days rice was a staple food, but poor people had brown rice which had its bran coating intact. Polished white rice was considered a luxurious food meant for the rich back in the days, but polishing the bran off the rice also meant that it can be stored longer.

The ability to store polished rice for long periods of time meant that the Japanese military gave their soldiers and sailors as much white rice as they wanted, but for the poorer sailors during voyages, many of them ended up eating nothing but white rice and salt (so they can send money home). At least army soldiers can theoretically forage for extra ingredients. So it was observed that during longer voyagers, poorer sailors who had nothing but polished white rice and salt developed beriberi, while their richer officers didn’t, despite them being in close proximity with each other. The only difference is that the officers in that ship also ate other things paid out of pocket. When those sailors who went back to their poor families out in the countryside, their condition seemingly improved or went away. So why was that? Their families.m can’t afford polished white rice so they had to have brown rice. And where’s the B12 stored? Within the bran coating that was polished off…

In the manga, the victims tend to be single men on exile who were on the fish-and-polished rice diet and little else.

Wow. This is so informative I wish TL would add this exact info in the chapter as a TL note. Now it makes more sense.
 
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Aight 100% reincarnated wife can’t be wrong about that
Orthopnea = medical term for shortness of breath or difficulty breathing that occurs when person is lying down, and which is relieved by sitting or standing up.
Cyanosis = refers to bluish-purple color of the skin. It is most easily seen where the skin is thin, such as the lips, mouth, earlobes and fingernails. Cyanosis means there may be decreased oxygen in the bloodstream. It may suggest a problem with the lungs or heart.

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they are indeed perfect match as future husband and wife, they have same personality :meguu:

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Thank you for translating

in chapter 12, saryu will buy blue earrings for shitoen and suddenly she falls ill (menstruation). in chapter 15, shitoen will reveal to saryu that she is reincarnation. and saryu is like her former lover who died after being stabbed by an NPC
So in short everyone that said reincarnated wife was on the dot. Nice.
 
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Wow. This is so informative I wish TL would add this exact info in the chapter as a TL note. Now it makes more sense.
Yeah, I also forgot about that entire “mixing barley or beans into the white rice” angle, which was one of the historical cures for beriberi in the military/prison system. Note that this was not a popular practice since it increased the cooking time for rice, it makes the rice less appealing, and you’ll now need to add one more item into your supply chains.

The army/navy also stopped charging for supplementary food in the mess halls/galleys - you get a mandatory fixed size portion of food on a daily basis to go with the rice. One of the items supposedly introduced? Curry.
 
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Well that answers that. She's either reincarnated from the modern world and this is set in a game/novel that she has played or she's someone living their life a second time. I'm leaning towards the former since this is like the tenth time at least that I've seen Beri Beri being used as a disease explanation and easily handled.

Interesting to have a story told from the wife of a reincarnator rather than the reincarnator themselves.
I mean, Scurvy is an insidious disease, but also super easy to fix- just eat some oranges/citrus. Yet many people died of it on ships until the linkage was discovered.
 

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