Saikyou no Maou ni Kitaerareta Yuusha, Isekai Kikansha-tachi no Gakuen de Musou Suru - Ch. 36

[Wolvenworks]

This is getting even more ridiculous

 

[Zet1502]

It's very telling that most of these comments are rooting for the character the represents this twisted academy and its goddesses. Why? because she is a waifu or do you guys agree with the strong trampling the weak mentality?

The reasons?
1) Yeah, she's a waifu
2) the guy is a hypocrite (he kills others to make the drug)

But mostly because of the 1st reason

 

[Knighto]

The reasons?
1) Yeah, she's a waifu
2) the guy is a hypocrite (he kills others to make the drug)

But mostly because of the 1st reason

you forgot
3) go back to MC and the main waifu (cat)

 

[Zet1502]

you forgot
3) go back to MC and the main waifu (cat)

been so long, I kinda forgot about them

 

[Capturinggod200]

The reasons?
1) Yeah, she's a waifu
2) the guy is a hypocrite (he kills others to make the drug)

But mostly because of the 1st reason

They never said the drug was made from dead people. Souls can exist before life too; what's to say that the drug wasn't made from pre-existing human souls? As for hating him for being a hypocrite, while also being hypocrites by rooting for someone upholding the status quo of the messed-up school? Talk about flimsy excuses. Waifu is the real and only reason you guys like root for her. Stop pretending the other reason matters to you guys in the slightest, it's dishonest.

 

[Zet1502]

They never said the drug was made from dead people. Souls can exist before life too; what's to say that the drug wasn't made from pre-existing human souls? As for hating him for being a hypocrite, while also being hypocrites by rooting for someone upholding the status quo of the messed-up school? Talk about flimsy excuses. Waifu is the real and only reason you guys like root for her. Stop pretending the other reason matters to you guys in the slightest, it's dishonest.

I don't think I was really pretending, as I said my #1 reason honestly...

But about the "drugs made from brand-new souls" theory:
I don't think that's what will happen, 'cause let's be real...
While it could be a plot twist (like the guy isn't that bad actually or smth), I think they will still go for the "more dramatic" approach of his movement having skeletons in closets

 

[Shouryuujo]

Wonder how long until she will fight the MC as seen in a novel cover

 

[mulate]

Damn. Hina might be the best thing about this manga now.

Thats how you do an OP character right...

 

[VergilLucifer]

Well, actually I am translating LN (not on english), on which this manga is based and I can say that MC powers there is downgrades literally like million times. In Light Novel characters are million times more powerfull. In battle between Kyoya and Ferris, they both destroy stars and almost destroy whole universe in which they were fighting. Final battle of volume 1 against that guy Yuki was also downgraded a lot. During their battle in LN, Every time Yuki used a technique, mountains crumbled, the earth split, rivers dried up, and even the skies were torn apart. Under the onslaught of absolute destruction, the world itself was torn apart. He then use several haxed skills and even a time stop skill, which MC counter by:

Spoiler: Quite from LN

Even countermagic needs to create its own time axis to protect against the ultimate skill that stops time. Essentially, it's the creation of an entire world law. Naturally, its magical power consumption is comparable to that of time-stopping magic itself. And he maintains such countermagic constantly? If anyone could do such a thing, it would be the deity who created the World Tree. That's simply absurd.

About that's coming in manga. Ch.37 would still be Hina vs Kokufuji fight, but later try to use "Florantia", which is something like "Domain Expansion" in this series, but thousand time more powerfull and mostly only S-class Heroes could use it. It wasn't mention in manga, but every single one of "Origin Skills" are interfering with reality, causality, locally affecting world laws:

I watched other matches, partly for analysis—the diversity of original skills was astounding. They weren't limited to simple abilities like Kishima's "fire magic enhancement" or Kyogoku's "powerful wind magic." There were numerous skills that clearly exceeded the capabilities of magic, such as the ability to "instantly transform everything around you into a dungeon" or the ability to "inhibit magic within the activation area." They all had one thing in common: their abilities were applied according to a logic completely different from existing physical laws and magical systems.
"What principle underlies these original skills anyway? Even if you look at the flow of magical power, cause and effect don't align."
"Hmm, well, in my opinion... the whole point is that original skills ignore all the intermediate steps and force the principle itself into the world."
"They ignore the intermediate steps, you say?.. That's right, that's the most problematic part."
In fact, locally rewriting the laws of the universe isn't all that difficult. It's more than possible even within existing magical systems, and Ferris and I are capable of it... However, what heroes do is radically different. With a single "activation of an original skill," they skip all stages and processes and establish new rules in this world. The "process," which should lie between "cause" and "effect," is completely skipped. Without a "middle," they cannot be analyzed or intervened in the process. With skills that enhance existing magic, like Kishima's, you can stop the spell formula, but against skills that impose rules or distort concepts, this won't work. So you have to react after the fact to the phenomenon created as an "effect." I can't imagine anything more disadvantageous in a magical battle.

but Florantia basically create entire world, where their skill law is absolute. But due to "Reincarnator" and secret behind it, this "Florantia" turns out to be... something quite bad. I'm not gonna spoiler things.
Ch.38 (still isn't come out even in japanese raws, but it should be about Kyoya and Komari saving Kanan, in which there would be more revealing about true nature of Komari original skill, because Kyoya helps her with her "lacking magic power" problem.

And this arc would finished with Kyoya vs Hina fight. It was trully amazing fight in LN. It would display how Hina is OP and through that how MC is even more OP. Knowing how manga tends to downgrade power of characters, I believe it wouldn't be even 1/10 as good as it was in LN.
By the way, in LN this series is already over. It has only four volumes and forth is the last one. Final boss of story is...

Spoiler: SPOILER FOR FINAL OF ENTIRE STORY

Kyoya himself and Komari (after 30k years of training like Kyoya) would fight him as ultimate hero.

 

[aoee]

how long mannn, will the MC be on the spotlight around chapter 40? he was put aside for almost the entire arc

 

[OogieBoogie]

"I want to fight this person myself."

"I want to fight her one-on-one, no interruptions."

"Wow those two must have some serious history."

"Do you remember me?"

"Huh?"



That's about all the plot that this chapter amounted to. Mostly just showed off her power.

 

[Septazia]

Well, actually I am translating LN (not on english), on which this manga is based and I can say that MC powers there is downgrades literally like million times. In Light Novel characters are million times more powerfull. In battle between Kyoya and Ferris, they both destroy stars and almost destroy whole universe in which they were fighting. Final battle of volume 1 against that guy Yuki was also downgraded a lot. During their battle in LN, Every time Yuki used a technique, mountains crumbled, the earth split, rivers dried up, and even the skies were torn apart. Under the onslaught of absolute destruction, the world itself was torn apart. He then use several haxed skills and even a time stop skill, which MC counter by:


About that's coming in manga. Ch.37 would still be Hina vs Kokufuji fight, but later try to use "Florantia", which is something like "Domain Expansion" in this series, but thousand time more powerfull and mostly only S-class Heroes could use it. It wasn't mention in manga, but every single one of "Origin Skills" are interfering with reality, causality, locally affecting world laws:

but Florantia basically create entire world, where their skill law is absolute. But due to "Reincarnator" and secret behind it, this "Florantia" turns out to be... something quite bad. I'm not gonna spoiler things.
Ch.38 (still isn't come out even in japanese raws, but it should be about Kyoya and Komari saving Kanan, in which there would be more revealing about true nature of Komari original skill, because Kyoya helps her with her "lacking magic power" problem.

And this arc would finished with Kyoya vs Hina fight. It was trully amazing fight in LN. It would display how Hina is OP and through that how MC is even more OP. Knowing how manga tends to downgrade power of characters, I believe it wouldn't be even 1/10 as good as it was in LN.
By the way, in LN this series is already over. It has only four volumes and forth is the last one. Final boss of story is...

Spoiler: SPOILER FOR FINAL OF ENTIRE STORY

Kyoya himself and Komari (after 30k years of training like Kyoya) would fight him as ultimate hero.

Sounds like a Manhwa, meh, I stopped reading because I was upset by the way they squandered interesting ideas right at the start and it sounds like I was right that is just an OP character fighting other bullshit characters.

 

[VergilLucifer]

Sounds like a Manhwa, meh, I stopped reading because I was upset by the way they squandered interesting ideas right at the start and it sounds like I was right that is just an OP character fighting other bullshit characters.

Well, actually that's not true. First of all his opponents in the end of vol.1 and 2 (in LN) weren't weak, its just Kyoya much more powerfull than them.

Starting from the end of vol.2 and beginning of vol.3 flow of story changes dramatically. It will be more dark and MC would be

Spoiler

force to become a villian to save Ferris, due to how World Tree works

.

He would have a good challenge in vol.3 two times. And there would be also at least 2 characters (besides Ferris in her prime), that could actually challenge him for real. That sneaky girl

Spoiler

Kuzuha (she even possess the magic of another World Tree) and badass old man from organization that opposes the Hero School (because that goddess Rose ultimately wants to destroy World Tree). Old man is strongest hero in World Tree and was able to defeat an Ancient Dragon, which even Ferris in her prime was unable to defeat. When MC throw a fireball which has enough power to blow away even Sun, old man just grab it and destroy like nothing. MC would be actually defeated in middle of last volume, but then that goddess that wants to destroy a World Tree awaken him as Hero and he will get massive power up to the point he could recreate entire World Tree with easy (his Origin Skill as Hero is "Almighty" a power to controll all things in creation) and only Komari who gets "Sword of Old One" (strongest sword in the world, which possess enough power to destroy whole World Tree and sword of very First Hero in existence) (which power is same as Kyoya Origin Skill - "Almighty") would be able to prevent his recreation and when defeat him in single combat after she gets the same training as he got in that world "Lost One" with Ferris, Kuzuha and that old man.

 

[Septazia]

Well, actually that's not true. First of all his opponents in the end of vol.1 and 2 (in LN) weren't weak, its just Kyoya much more powerfull than them.

Starting from the end of vol.2 and beginning of vol.3 flow of story changes dramatically. It will be more dark and MC would be

Spoiler

force to become a villian to save Ferris, due to how World Tree works

.

He would have a good challenge in vol.3 two times. And there would be also at least 2 characters (besides Ferris in her prime), that could actually challenge him for real. That sneaky girl

Spoiler

Kuzuha (she even possess the magic of another World Tree) and badass old man from organization that opposes the Hero School (because that goddess Rose ultimately wants to destroy World Tree). Old man is strongest hero in World Tree and was able to defeat an Ancient Dragon, which even Ferris in her prime was unable to defeat. When MC throw a fireball which has enough power to blow away even Sun, old man just grab it and destroy like nothing. MC would be actually defeated in middle of last volume, but then that goddess that wants to destroy a World Tree awaken him as Hero and he will get massive power up to the point he could recreate entire World Tree with easy (his Origin Skill as Hero is "Almighty" a power to controll all things in creation) and only Komari who gets "Sword of Old One" (strongest sword in the world, which possess enough power to destroy whole World Tree and sword of very First Hero in existence) (which power is same as Kyoya Origin Skill - "Almighty") would be able to prevent his recreation and when defeat him in single combat after she gets the same training as he got in that world "Lost One" with Ferris, Kuzuha and that old man.

I hate to appear as if I am dismissing whta you wrote, my point of contention is that the story (I would have to fetch my comment on the first few chapters) had some interesting premises that weren't properly used:
1)Having a protagonist who has been living isolated from society for so long.......
Yet he comes back to it like is no problem
2) A world that is aware of OP people coming back and wants to reintegrate them in society
But is just a way to pit them against each other and none of those questions seem to be dealt with
3) Guy spends 30K together with just one person
But he is still awkward around her and hasn't settled whether he sees her as a mother, a sister or a lover.
And there might have been more, but the other points weren't as important and maybe they got addressed later on like the school using its own currency that only works for stuff they sell (a SCRIP system)....

 

[VergilLucifer]

I hate to appear as if I am dismissing whta you wrote, my point of contention is that the story (I would have to fetch my comment on the first few chapters) had some interesting premises that weren't properly used:
1)Having a protagonist who has been living isolated from society for so long.......
Yet he comes back to it like is no problem
2) A world that is aware of OP people coming back and wants to reintegrate them in society
But is just a way to pit them against each other and none of those questions seem to be dealt with
3) Guy spends 30K together with just one person
But he is still awkward around her and hasn't settled whether he sees her as a mother, a sister or a lover.
And there might have been more, but the other points weren't as important and maybe they got addressed later on like the school using its own currency that only works for stuff they sell (a SCRIP system)....

1) It would be explained in vol.3 that Ferris

Spoiler

did everything she can so he wouldn't turn into mindless weapon of mass destruction and to save his personality, so he could live normally

. But this 30k still affect him in some aspects, but story in manga never shows them and still not reach this moments.

3) Well, he actually pretty sure about his feelings for Ferris by the end of vol.2 and

Spoiler

saying it to her openly and she reciprocate his feelings.

Things Hina will say to him in few next chapters will make him finally realize his feelings and he turn villian because world system as it is now (it has nothing to do with what you describe) make her ultimate enemy what destined to be destroyed by world savior and there is no escape from this fate on conceptual level other than destroy entire World Tree.

And also this whole school matter don't matter ever since vol.3 due to global problems I mentioned above that stands before MC.

2) I don't remember if it was mention in manga, but heroes can give up on their powers and memory (goddess just seal them back) and return to society. But there are no way to deal with whose who doesn't want to give on their powers other than use heroes against heroes. This part was explained in novel as well. In Novel also heroes is quite OP and even nuclear weapon won't help against most of them.

 

[Septazia]

1) It would be explained in vol.3 that Ferris

Spoiler

did everything she can so he wouldn't turn into mindless weapon of mass destruction and to save his personality, so he could live normally

. But this 30k still affect him in some aspects, but story in manga never shows them and still not reach this moments.

3) Well, he actually pretty sure about his feelings for Ferris by the end of vol.2 and

Spoiler

saying it to her openly and she reciprocate his feelings.

Things Hina will say to him in few next chapters will make him finally realize his feelings and he turn villian because world system as it is now (it has nothing to do with what you describe) make her ultimate enemy what destined to be destroyed by world savior and there is no escape from this fate on conceptual level other than destroy entire World Tree.

And also this whole school matter don't matter ever since vol.3 due to global problems I mentioned above that stands before MC.

2) I don't remember if it was mention in manga, but heroes can give up on their powers and memory (goddess just seal them back) and return to society. But there are no way to deal with whose who doesn't want to give on their powers other than use heroes against heroes. This part was explained in novel as well. In Novel also heroes is quite OP and even nuclear weapon won't help against most of them.

Well this is neat, but unfortunately sounds like the Manga is quite half assed by comparison and this is what we are reading and judging here, maybe having read both you can fill the gaps for yourself and it doesn't bother you as much.

 

[Yokubou]

So the other 3 girls just watched her eat like 40 human souls without saying anything?

 

[VergilLucifer]

I really do wonder what the MC's original ability will be, if they ever do let him grow his original seed.

It's a great spoiler from LN, but his "Origin Skill" is

Spoiler: MC origin skill

"Almighty". Ability to warp reality and even entire World Tree (whole multiverse) however you like. When he gained his Origin Skill in last volume his existence literally surpassed entire World Tree and he could just smap an attacks each one of which could destroy entire World Tree and do it even without activation of his Origin Skill, just by regular abilities. Kyoya could also use any other Origin Skill at will. His power grew to the level where he could create an countless Demon Kings, each one of which far surpass Ferris in her prime in raw stats and also posess few Origin Skills.