Senpai ga Uzai Kouhai no Hanashi - Ch. 209

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I can't figure out Natsumi. It seems like she has a crush on Futaba but isn't willing to act on it. At the same time she has said that Yuuta is just as important to her as she is.

I'm confused. This manga doesn't seem like it would have anything like a love triangle.

I was thinking that she might be scared of losing her relationship with both of them if she tries to move forward but doesn't she know that Yuuta loves her? Maybe she thinks that is a passing teen crush and doesn't want to get to close to protect her from being hurt when he moves on?
I think it's rather that she's afraid of losing Futaba. From Futaba's question about Natsumi having experience heartbreak before, it could be assumed that she possibly had a relationship before meeting Futaba that went wrong or maybe finding out Futaba likes/loves someone romantically and sees it as a heartbreak.

Natsumi's past is still a mystery to us minus us knowing she's been with Futaba since middle school. Anything else is covered in fog. But its clear she loves Futaba so much as she seemed to have been the only one she would hang out with before meeting Yuuta and the others. Futaba means so much to her that she doesn't want to "lose" her as suggested when they went out for a late night ice cream run that she missed all the times that they hung out late at night. If Futaba finds someone to spend 24/7 with romantically, to Natsumi, it will be like she's all alone. But with Yuuto, she's finding that again, the messing around at arcades, eating sweet things at a cafe or playing sports with.

Yuuto noticed Natsumi's love for Futaba and suggested her love may even be beyond that of just best friends and he seemed to have the idea that Natsumi was afraid of losing Futaba which equaled being alone. And he promised her that he wouldn't leave her or let her be alone. So Yuuto is kind of becoming someone irreplaceable to Natsumi as she really values certain relationships and allows very people into her apartment. Seems like Yuuto is becoming the new Futaba. Not so much replacing or substituting but being there for Natsumi. They're all given the idea that Natsumi is this cool girl with no love interests and holds herself together on her own but in reality, it seems she has either slight abandonment issues or hates being alone. With yuuto now being there for her, she may be able to have finally found someone that wants to be there for her/with her, by her side for the long run. (Not saying Futaba wouldn't do that but with the idea of being in a relationship with someone she loves, it would take time away from Natsumi and that's what Natsumi is afraid of: Being forgotten/alone.)
 
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I just can't be doing this with Natsumi. :qq:

Shiromanta needs to hook her up with Yuuto pronto if he's gonna. She deserves to be happy.

Edit: Many readers seem to have forgotten that in a flashback, Natsumi already had a high school crush that she wanted to give Honmei Choco to but never did which was why she said what she did this chapter.
 
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I am dropping the manga. I guess I lost interest in it. Not that it's a bad manga,the progress is just too slow for my taste.
 
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Author has drawn a shit ton of yuri porn about them that's why.

Don't try to doubt me or I WILL show you the porn pics as proof in all their NSFW glory.
Pffff no way bro, and definitely don't link me those NSFW pics 😉😉
 
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Author has drawn a shit ton of yuri porn about them that's why.

Don't try to doubt me or I WILL show you the porn pics as proof in all their NSFW glory.
Show me instead - this person doesn't see it and probably doesn't want to see it. If they were interested, they'd have reread the chapter with that assumption in mind to see if it made sense - which it does - and that they can't see it after everyone here has pointed it out means they have an aversion to acknowledging sweet homosexual romantic subtext. Probably thinks lesbians aren't really lesbians, they're just "really close roommates"
 
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Playing devil's advocate here, but Natsumi asking Futaba "well what would you do if the person you liked turned out to like someone else" right when Futaba came to her for love advice MIGHT be interpreted as "I like you and here you are, asking me to support your love for someone else"

Again, playing devil's advocate here.
Yeah thats the impression I got.
 
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I really can't see it as anything other than "Natsumi has crushed on Futaba since middle school due to her being the only person who didn't eventually leave her due to her attitude and personality (she is convinced her personality sucks, IIRC), but she gave up on that crush a long time ago but is also still holding onto it. +Yuuto is a stand-in for the role Futaba used to play, and I'm not convinced that she has any feelings for him outside of using him as a placeholder.

Sure, you can reference 196, but in 197 she spends the whole chapter talking about Futaba, with clear subtext that it wasn't just those panels where she was talking about her, and Yuuto even thinks to himself that she may like Futaba as more than just best friends.

Then we look back at chapter 121. Not much here, except that Natsumi has her fingernails painted yellow, like usual. Except one is painted green, like Futaba's hair. Her left. ring. finger.

Also the tags on the latest pixiv post are pretty indicative. "想いをひた隠しにする親友の話" Like, COME ON. My best attempt at a smooth translation of this is "A story about hiding your feelings from your best friend at all costs". There are other ones like 「早く告れば良い後輩の話」which I don't really have the expertise to translate properly (hayaku kokurebaii [or kokurebayoi, but probably the former], the 告れば良い gives me trouble. 告れば is the hypothetical form of a slang for "confess (love)", but ~ば良い can mean different things than just "if". Any native speakers would be great to give a couple possible translations of 早く告れば良い後輩.

I rest my case. Natsumi is a closeted bisexual (or lesbian since we find out that she never brought anyone back to her apartment, and also I honestly don't remember if they ever mention sex at any point, but I don't think they do) who is still holding onto a crush that she has on Futaba since middle school, and Yuuto is just a surrogate for Futaba.
Well that settles it methinks.
 
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Edit: Many readers seem to have forgotten that in a flashback, Natsumi already had a high school crush that she wanted to give Honmei Choco to but never did which was why she said what she did this chapter.
That was #57.5.

I see some ambiguity that lends to the theory that some are making here-- specifically, what she's saying can come off as a cover-up, especially since we don't ever see the guy in question and there's no weight in her explaining her failure to gift this guy true-feeling chocolate, yet she has a focus panel on her lower face (as to conceal her eyes) after Futaba goes on her consoling tirade about how the chocolate Natsumi gave her is friend chocolate, and the last panel for the chapter (a pan up to capture Natsumi's whole face) almost looks like her trying to blink away tears while smiling, as if she's ironically disappointed by Futaba's heartfelt consolation/motivation.

...but then, she could alternatively be moved by Futaba's genuine gesture, and she could have actually tried giving that chocolate to a guy. But then, how would she have failed, when she's so cool? Was she too cool? The mechanisms of Natsumi's love life are an enigma-- all we know is that she was willing to immediately break up with a guy over him saying that he went out with her because her breasts were bigger than his previous girlfriend's.

Her being wistful in regards to thinking of Futaba and Takeda seems like it's only a recent thing, though-- closer to the beginning of her appearances, she just straightforwardly teased Futaba about it and gave her advice with not even the slightest hint of a reservation. This wistfulness we're talking about looks like it developed gradually or is generally repressed, but its revelation seemingly coincides much more with her stating what her agony is about: the distance between her and her once super best friend is growing as they grow older. They're doing less things with each other. Futaba eventually being in a relationship with Takeda is relevant to that insecurity inasmuch as such a relationship has the potential of widening the aforementioned distance, and (here's me speculating) it serves as a contrast to her life: monotonous, nabbing a high school boy with the same cuteness index as her best friend off the street so she can watch movies with him in her apartment she's thitherto only brought her best friend into. And does she even have friends other than Futaba, Futaba's workmates, and Yuuto? I can't recall them, which may just be a function of how thoughtful this manga was meant to be-- that is to say, I'm writing all this about a late Heisei era slice-of-life rom-com that's absolutely going to end with the male lead splitting the female lead in half with his gorilla cock, where the cast is small and characters pop in and out almost strictly for making a specific scenario. I am thinking far too much about this.

Still, there could also be a point in this set-up: she lives a fairly isolated existence apart from her only friend (if she indeed is), who-- even though she wants her to find happiness-- is progressively drifting away from her just because they're growing old. Rather than her sticking to Futaba because Futaba needed her, it was "ironically" the other way around (if you've played Persona 4, Chie and Yukiko's relationship-- also that of best friends-- at least rhymes with this... and incidentally, a minority also perceived homoromantic undertones in that).

At any rate, I'm wary because I've been pied piper'd before with people doing things like finding obscure "hints" in a vocal track for an anime in order to mine support for their ship (and they were so convincing about it, at least I thought at the time). No clear intentionality on the part of the writer, combined with an active interest in a perceived ship, is a combination I don't have faith in-- I still remember how, in the late aughts/early-teens, weebs tried to make out Kagami Hiiragi as wanting to have sex with Konata because they started out from their interest in that ship and then attempted to reconstruct a line she says in an OVA ("koi o shitai", or, "I want to fall in love"-- she was waking up from a dream where she was a magical girl IIRC) as "I wanna fuck with Konata" as if they knew Japanese. They even thought an SFX was a censor because they somehow thought that Japanese censorship guidelines were anything like American ones. I've also seen the inverse happen, where weebs deny any level of reciprocal interest between two characters even when outright rom-com/rom-drama clichés (direct or otherwise) are used to drive the point home.

Then we look back at chapter 121. Not much here, except that Natsumi has her fingernails painted yellow, like usual. Except one is painted green, like Futaba's hair. Her left. ring. finger.
Yes, and the curtains were blue. You're undermining a thesis that may have merit when you feel you have to microscopically focus on something vague in its own right.

When I think of Futaba liking Takeda, I don't at all think about how her hair and scrunchie are the same EVA-01 colors as the tie Takeda wears-- because I don't have to. In the face of the fact that she clearly has interest in him, it's such an irrelevant detail that isn't even anchored in the intentions of the characters. It even has a significant chance of being arbitrary or coincidental.

Also the tags on the latest pixiv post are pretty indicative. "想いをひた隠しにする親友の話" Like, COME ON. My best attempt at a smooth translation of this is "A story about hiding your feelings from your best friend at all costs".
想いひた隠しにする (roughly, "to make concealed (one's) (romantic) thoughts at all costs", see here for usage of A を B にする) is, here, an adjectival clause that modifies 親友 ("close friend").

That is, the title is "a story of a close friend who makes their feelings hidden desperately"-- or a bit less literally, "a story about a close friend who desperately hides their feelings".

If "the latest pixiv post" was this very installment, this could be about Natsumi. It could refer to the two of them. It's absolutely relevant, at the least, to Futaba, who finds it easier to plot to seduce Takeda than to "just" tell him she likes him. She's arguably the only one desperate about anything-- much less concealing feelings.

There are other ones like 「早く告れば良い後輩の話」which I don't really have the expertise to translate properly (hayaku kokurebaii [or kokurebayoi, but probably the former], the 告れば良い gives me trouble. 告れば is the hypothetical form of a slang for "confess (love)", but ~ば良い can mean different things than just "if".
~ば良い ("~ba-i-i", or "~ba-yo-i"-- they're equivalent) doesn't mean "if"-- it's a construction that follows from the hypothetical stem form of a verb (in this case, 告れ, or "koku-re") to create the sense of "should" or "it would be good if...".

...for the record, the title is "a story of a kou-hai (後輩) who should confess quickly".
 
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It took me this fucking long to realise that Natsumi (probably) has feelings for Futaba, yet she knows it's one that could never blossom. Fuck that hurts.
 
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I can't figure out Natsumi. It seems like she has a crush on Futaba but isn't willing to act on it. At the same time she has said that Yuuta is just as important to her as she is.

I'm confused. This manga doesn't seem like it would have anything like a love triangle.

I was thinking that she might be scared of losing her relationship with both of them if she tries to move forward but doesn't she know that Yuuta loves her? Maybe she thinks that is a passing teen crush and doesn't want to get to close to protect her from being hurt when he moves on?
Yeah I'm not really sure if she wants Futaba, her words seem to imply it but maybe she's bi? I think what you said is right about thinking Yuuta will move on.
 
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I really can't see it as anything other than "Natsumi has crushed on Futaba since middle school due to her being the only person who didn't eventually leave her due to her attitude and personality (she is convinced her personality sucks, IIRC), but she gave up on that crush a long time ago but is also still holding onto it. +Yuuto is a stand-in for the role Futaba used to play, and I'm not convinced that she has any feelings for him outside of using him as a placeholder.

Sure, you can reference 196, but in 197 she spends the whole chapter talking about Futaba, with clear subtext that it wasn't just those panels where she was talking about her, and Yuuto even thinks to himself that she may like Futaba as more than just best friends.

Then we look back at chapter 121. Not much here, except that Natsumi has her fingernails painted yellow, like usual. Except one is painted green, like Futaba's hair. Her left. ring. finger.

Also the tags on the latest pixiv post are pretty indicative. "想いをひた隠しにする親友の話" Like, COME ON. My best attempt at a smooth translation of this is "A story about hiding your feelings from your best friend at all costs". There are other ones like 「早く告れば良い後輩の話」which I don't really have the expertise to translate properly (hayaku kokurebaii [or kokurebayoi, but probably the former], the 告れば良い gives me trouble. 告れば is the hypothetical form of a slang for "confess (love)", but ~ば良い can mean different things than just "if". Any native speakers would be great to give a couple possible translations of 早く告れば良い後輩.

I rest my case. Natsumi is a closeted bisexual (or lesbian since we find out that she never brought anyone back to her apartment, and also I honestly don't remember if they ever mention sex at any point, but I don't think they do) who is still holding onto a crush that she has on Futaba since middle school, and Yuuto is just a surrogate for Futaba.
If that's the case then Natsumi is a terrible person for leading Yuuto on.
 

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