@Amplify
His abilities still don't work the way you seem to think they do.
A random ability from one of them would be far, far less useful to him compared to one from the 12th floor.
Firstly, where's your basis for this statement? From reading ahead in the novel? From reading beyond this chapter? My position has always been based on what we know so far up to this chapter in the manhwa. I haven't even read beyond this chapter because we're still discussing this one. So tell me, how do you know there's a more useful skill on the 12th floor?
Secondly, if you think that a top 10's skill falls into the category of "random" and "far, far less useful" than this mysterious 12th floor skill you seem to think exists, then you're just plain wrong. He can find out every skill they have and potentially pick one or two - not randomly, but based on what he think will help him in the long run using his knowledge of the other floors as a basis to pick the most useful ones.
you're asking him to throw away his one chance to take a skill from each of them for a spin of the roulette wheel for a skill that may not help the current situation *at all* and he has no spare skill slots to hold until he levels up again.
Again, you're proving that you didn't even read what I said. You're banking on him being able to even have access to their skills in the future. There's no way to guarantee that he'll get people who are supposed to be
his allies to kill him. The only one that's guaranteed to try to kill him in the future is the traitor.
Furthermore, he'd be spinning a roulette wheel regardless of when he does it; he could very well find himself in a difficult situation in the future and he may try to take an ally's skill at that very moment. But just because he finds himself in that difficult situation, that doesn't mean they'll magically have the exact skill he needs in that situation. In other words, he'll be spinning the roulette wheel hoping he gets lucky regardless of when he does it. The only difference is that he actually has the opportunity to spin that wheel right now (for multiple top 10 rankers), whereas he might never get the opportunity to spin it in the future (for any of them except the traitor). Your speculated future scenario is like spinning the wheel multiple times - once to encounter a situation where he can get killed by a ranker, then once again to acquire the exactly the right skill from exactly the right ranker at exactly the right time, with both multiplied by the number of rankers whose skill he hasn't acquired yet.
he's a ranker otaku who knows almost every single ranker
That doesn't automatically give him knowledge of everyone's skills. Case in point: the first skill he took purely by chance was one he never even knew existed. People's secret skills are just that - secret.
You keep screeching on and on about finding the traitor, when he can simply turn it into a situation where he doesn't have to at all.
You're the one who said he's a paragon of virtue who wants to witness the least deaths possible. If he solves it immediately then only the traitor dies and the three innocents who were killed wouldn't have to die. This is based on your own statement about the protagonist's character. The only way that holds true is if he's not really as perfect as you're making him out to be, otherwise he'd do whatever he could to avoid having to witness future deaths that come as a result of the traitor not being caught.
treating the symptoms and are not the cure
Let's get this straight. In your mind, solving the initial problem that will inevitably lead to future complications is "treating the symptoms"? K.
Your plan is bad and you should feel bad, but when the MC doesn't want to do exactly what you believe he should do then you label him an idiot.
Still making up shit? I never called him an idiot. I said he isn't perfect. I also said that it's entirely reasonable to not be perfect in a situation that he's never faced before. I even went on to say that it's a good thing that he's not a perfect Gary Stu, because that would make the manhwa less interesting.
Do you really not see the difference? Only a narcissist would think that not being called perfect is the same as an insult.
lie detector wouldn't help him (if it didn't work for the Paladin, why do you suddenly think it would be any different for him?)
Yet again proving that you didn't actually read what I said. I said that he could use the current opportunity to possibly determine if one of them has a skill that would make their lies undetectable. For that to happen, all he has to do is die by their hands. At no point did I say he would acquire the lie detecting ability.
More to the point, it's not possible to get that skill in this situation because the Paladin is certainly not killing anyone - unless she's secretly a villain who was able to convince herself that she's never killed anyone so that she shows up as having killed zero people, but that's certainly not something that we'd find out in this situation while she's surrounded by other people. It would be incredibly dumb to think he could even possibly get that skill under the circumstances; good thing that's not what I said.
Nor did I say the plan would absolutely succeed - because there's also the possibility that the system lied about someone being a traitor in the first place. But whether or not the plan succeeds in determining who the traitor is, it's still worthwhile taking the advantage of the situation because there are potentially high-level benefits with no quantifiable downsides (aside from losing out on speculative future possibilities that rely on contrived circumstances to even become possible in the first place).
he doesn't have room for all their skills
He doesn't need all their skills. You're irredeemably stuck in the mindset of "must acquire skills of all the top rankers" when even just seeing their skills is a major advantage. Knowledge is power. If one or two of them do in fact have such a great skill that he'd want them, then that's a bonus. Potentially acquiring two incredible skills early on is certainly not a disadvantage because it means he'll definitely be more capable of handling situations in the future (by using his knowledge of the later floors to decide which skills would be most beneficial).
you're irredeemably stuck in the mindset of "must find traitor to progress"
Still making up shit. I never said he wouldn't be able to progress on his current path. What I said was that is that he had an opportunity to make things more convenient for himself. Speaking of convenience, you still haven't been able to agree that it's a benefit.
"only the acquisition of the top 10 ranker's skills can save the day!"
Yet another instance of you proving that you didn't read what I said. Also, irony much? You're the one who thinks he shouldn't acquire those skills now because he'll need to acquire those skills in the future.
As for my plan, it's entirely about making things easier on himself in the long run - convenience, not necessity. The fact that you still haven't gotten that point into your head by now shows me that you're really not reading what I've said. To get back to the point of convenience, just seeing (not necessarily acquiring) the skills the others have could possibly solve the mystery of the traitor right away - which means less complications (and deaths) in the future. As for taking the skills, he doesn't
need them, but those skills that he could acquire now would definitely benefit him - and it's convenient that he's in a situation where he could acquire them right now, rather than waiting for an opportunity in the future (that might never come) to take them.
I'd rethink my position if you actually tried to defend your assertions about what he'll be able to do in the future (even though the protagonist himself can't possibly know how everything will happen unless for some reason he's able to treat his fellow rankers as puppets who will obey his every command and he can therefore mitigate every problem that occurs as they go through the floors), but all you've done so far is willfully misinterpret my position and argue against basic facts (like when you tried to argue that convenience isn't a benefit).
The dumb thing is that I've given you opportunity after opportunity to defend your position, but not once have you ever tried to provide evidence that he will in fact be able to acquire their skills in the future. All you've done is blindly assert without evidence that he'll lose his chance to take their skills at the perfect time in the future - and for some reason you think that I should be convinced on that one point alone.
Give me a reason to keep this discussion going. Defend your argument; prove to me that the one potential downside you have mentioned (i.e. missing out on opportunities to take skills in future circumstances that we don't yet know of) is legitimate. Keep in mind that having knowledge of the floors doesn't mean he knows how the rankers act (e.g. Heretic Inquisitor going ballistic completely surprised him).
