[MEGATHREAD] Tags Suggestions

[kouyo]

This thread is for suggesting and discussing new tags to be implemented in MangaDex. To suggest a new tag, please follow the guidelines below.

Guidelines​

1. Your tag should cover a general theme or concept that applies to a wide range of content. Give as many examples of content where your tag can be added as possible.
2. The tag should be clear, simple, and unambiguous. Tags should serve as objective descriptors.
3. If the meaning of a tag can be conveyed by another existing tag, don't propose a new tag just for the sake of variety. Take a look at our Tags Definition. Ask if you're not sure.
4. Provide a detailed explanation of the tag's purpose and the type of content it is intended to categorise.
5. Avoid tags that are too vague, as they may not effectively categorise the content.
6. Use consistent terminology with existing tags.
7. We won't accept tags promoting content that goes against our rules.

Below is a list of suggested tags that link back to the comment where they were originally mentioned. This is not a list of tags that we will add. Only if the tag meets the previous requirements, it will be added to the list.

Suggested tags:​

• Age Gap
• Netorare
• Childcare
• Idols
• Economics
• Educative
• Short Comics/Twicomics/etc
• Kingdom
• Enterprise
• Cute Girls Doing Cute Things (CGDCT)
• Maid
• Tsuiho/Banishment/Abandoned Protagonist
• Farming/agriculture
• Child abuse
• Power Fantasy
• Game elements
• Romantic Subtext
• Iyashikei

 

[Pokari]

Futanari shouldn't be tagged as Girls' Love.

That's not the problem, though? Like, it reasonably should be tagged as Girl's Love when both characters consider themselves girls (at least, that's the most sensitive metric that could be used). And like, it may fix your personal ick problems with what you look for, but doesn't fix the general problem of unwelcome reader surprises if it's just tagged 'romance' and presumed by everyone to be straight cis/het instead. You cannot get the information needed into the existing tags.

Although this is not the example I usually reach for, yet another reason why splitting the "Gender Bender" tag into two very specific things that only cover 90% of series was a really bad idea IMO. It was a pretty good "be aware that the tags may not cover everything going on with gender in this" catch-all label.

Already discussed to death in this thread, and IMO it doesn't warrant a tag for reasons explained in the linked post.

(Talking here because I don't want to necro that thread and I'm not expecting anything to come of it anyway)

Respectfully, there's two fundamental differences between the design goals of the BBFC's rating system and Mangadex's tags that I think are extremely important here:

• Mangadex's content warnings are there to let you know upsetting content may be there, the BBFC is concerned whether content inappropriate for children is there. These are overlapping catergories but not the same. Mangadex, for instance, doesn't have to worry about an R18 rating meaning that any important educational material would be kept away from children. People can read the description or use whatever measures to decide how they feel for themselves about the portrayal of the 'bad thing' happening, and that's true whether it's "Gore" or "Slavery".
• The BBFC has mature, responsible, civic-minded adults deciding on whether anything falls under other content labels—"does the slavery shown have something problematic in it's portrayal" is decided by comparatively dispassionate and well-educated editors who can say things like "Yeah, this 'master/slave' relationship has fairly sexual scenes with bad consent based on compulsion and coercion, made worse by how positively it's portrayed, R18 with Sexual Violence". If you leave us weebs to tag the same thing, it's likely to come up as "This comic is great the slave dog-gurl is so hot and sexy and willing, 10/10" instead. We cannot be trusted with that kind of nuance as a community, so it does not solve the problem in this context.

 

[Garett]

I suggest "promo", so I can exclude these while browsing oneshots.

 

[MilkDrinker]

"Mindfuck" - for really funky surreal stuff

 

[Manko-sensei]

That's not the problem, though? Like, it reasonably should be tagged as Girl's Love when both characters consider themselves girls (at least, that's the most sensitive metric that could be used). And like, it may fix your personal ick problems with what you look for, but doesn't fix the general problem of unwelcome reader surprises if it's just tagged 'romance' and presumed by everyone to be straight cis/het instead. You cannot get the information needed into the existing tags.

The only "general problem" you try to allude is the laziness and intolerance many people have when they want to find something without any effort, so mislabelling separated genres to favour people who don't care is not a good solution. The fact that non-Japanese webpages try to catalogue everything in Western labels is already troublesome per se, not only because it removes informative tags from the publishers/advertisers/informative sites but also changes the key words used to find series in their genres. Yuri, futanari, crossdressing and genderbending/swap are clearly differenced in Japanese and therefore there's no reason to change that, despite that there's a handful of works like Futanari no Elf that you can check yourself in Pixiv there's no sign of yuri tagging or even FAKKU (the links are there). Or are we going to tag as yuri benderswap characters who are males instead of yaoi? Why don't we tag male + futa as yaoi? The answer is there, futanari is neither male or female, as simple as that.
If the problem is the tag "romance", then even if it's straight cisgender there are different tags in Japanese that are not included in MangaDex plus the pairings.

About the "slavery" discussion I have little to say, unless the publishers themselves start pushing forward that label with a selection of works it's just a disinformative label. Or do you think a historical Edo manga with a slave as part of the main cast should be tagged alongside a generic power-fantasy isekai or a hentai title that matters little which social names you put on the characters? Is a title less deserving of that tagging for not displaying violence so graphically and at the same time treating properly the topic instead of being a recurring sexual joke?

 

[Manko-sensei]

"Mindfuck" - for really funky surreal stuff

That would confuse people who look for guro.

 

[Pokari]

The only "general problem" you try to allude is the laziness and intolerance many people have when they want to find something without any effort, so mislabelling separated genres to favour people who don't care is not a good solution. The fact that non-Japanese webpages try to catalogue everything in Western labels is already troublesome per se, not only because it removes informative tags from the publishers/advertisers/informative sites but also changes the key words used to find series in their genres. Yuri, futanari, crossdressing and genderbending/swap are clearly differenced in Japanese and therefore there's no reason to change that, despite that there's a handful of works like Futanari no Elf that you can check yourself in Pixiv there's no sign of yuri tagging or even FAKKU (the links are there). Or are we going to tag as yuri benderswap characters who are males instead of yaoi? Why don't we tag male + futa as yaoi? The answer is there, futanari is neither male or female, as simple as that.
If the problem is the tag "romance", then even if it's straight cisgender there are different tags in Japanese that are not included in MangaDex plus the pairings.

About the "slavery" discussion I have little to say, unless the publishers themselves start pushing forward that label with a selection of works it's just a disinformative label. Or do you think a historical Edo manga with a slave as part of the main cast should be tagged alongside a generic power-fantasy isekai or a hentai title that matters little which social names you put on the characters? Is a title less deserving of that tagging for not displaying violence so graphically and at the same time treating properly the topic instead of being a recurring sexual joke?

"We should only use exactly the Japanese labels for things", in addition to being such a tired and old argument (we hashed this out in the 90's, yo), is an absolutely nonsensical take on a site that translates stuff from several different languages.

 

[Manko-sensei]

"We should only use exactly the Japanese labels for things", in addition to being such a tired and old argument (we hashed this out in the 90's, yo), is an absolutely nonsensical take on a site that translates stuff from several different languages.

Hence why adding new tags and relabelling with no criteria only adds more problems and here we are in the present day.

 

[Pokari]

Hence why adding new tags and relabelling with no criteria only adds more problems and here we are in the present day.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Tags are way better than they used to be, in general. The 'less is more' and 'more is more' fight over tags is still real, and "less is more" sites like Mangadex have heated discussions about even small changes that mostly lead to a pretty clean tag-set, like the present one, from the dross of those arguments.

But Mangadex has an increasingly big problem with the cis-normative tag-set it's chosen, perhaps slightly less by dint of them being poorly chosen in the first place as by dint of time moving on and norms changing (likewise to some extent with limited content warnings, but I digress). The only gender tags now are swap and cross. "Romance" means straight romance unless there's other tags—except when it doesn't. The problem is somewhat ameliorated(??? or phrased differently, exacerbated???) by the site becoming more and more a kind of cesspit-y crowd that would push away most of the sector of fans that might care about any of this, honestly (seriously the self-selection here has gotten so heavy that I see almost nothing but 'ecchi for men' anywhere on the front page, even the latest updates. Meanwhile the batoto-lookalikes have all the m/m gay stuff, LGBTQ-friendly stuff, and anything aimed at women―and, interestingly, the "more is more" tagging mindset, which seems to suit them. It's a strange divergence, but the staff here is kind of brusquely dudebro-ish on some key topics so maybe the split itself at least was inevitable in the long run)

(Also I guess I should say: inb4 the inevitable person complaining about me talking about 'woke' stuff around gender: No. I'm describing cultural trends and changing expectations here, not inviting a completely topically-irrelevant argument over whether you like them. Don't start.)

 

[Manko-sensei]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Tags are way better than they used to be, in general. The 'less is more' and 'more is more' fight over tags is still real, and "less is more" sites like Mangadex have heated discussions about even small changes that mostly lead to a pretty clean tag-set, like the present one, from the dross of those arguments.

But Mangadex has an increasingly big problem with the cis-normative tag-set it's chosen, perhaps slightly less by dint of them being poorly chosen in the first place as by dint of time moving on and norms changing (likewise to some extent with limited content warnings, but I digress). The only gender tags now are swap and cross. "Romance" means straight romance unless there's other tags—except when it doesn't. The problem is somewhat ameliorated(??? or phrased differently, exacerbated???) by the site becoming more and more a kind of cesspit-y crowd that would push away most of the sector of fans that might care about any of this, honestly (seriously the self-selection here has gotten so heavy that I see almost nothing but 'ecchi for men' anywhere on the front page, even the latest updates. Meanwhile the batoto-lookalikes have all the m/m gay stuff, LGBTQ-friendly stuff, and anything aimed at women―and, interestingly, the "more is more" tagging mindset, which seems to suit them. It's a strange divergence, but the staff here is kind of brusquely dudebro-ish on some key topics so maybe the split itself at least was inevitable in the long run)

(Also I guess I should say: inb4 the inevitable person complaining about me talking about 'woke' stuff around gender: No. I'm describing cultural trends and changing expectations here, not inviting a completely topically-irrelevant argument over whether you like them. Don't start.)

First of all, I don't find any site to have a consistent way of tagging, not even MangaDex. All sites have gone from using genre tags and topic tags that could be traced to Japanese releases to a mix of "let's suit everyone by letting them add what's more popular" to "we're not interested to developing in this line so we're leaving things as is". From V3 to V5 MangaDex has merged, relabelled and added new tags that surely must have simplified the work for some but also has complicated the search for titles nobody had a problem with. Nevertheless, you were complaining about "gender tags" in MangaDex when they weren't in the first place and, at the same time, wanting to make "romance" now exclusive for certain identities when not even dictionaries such as Oxford or Cambridge do such a distinction, maybe you should show which guidelines are you following to introduce that criterion? Or maybe do you want to propose to add all the gender/sexual orientation spectrum to the genres, even though it will only rely on the Internet users you don't want to rely on?
If the concern is solely what shows on the front page or the fact that to find titles you want to read you need to read the series because you're not capable of desciphering the contents by the cover and the envelope... point out exactly what needs to be changed so you don't get misunderstood. About this part I assume you were referring to "demographics", these are the closer to retailers/publishers they can be (which, of course, doesn't mean people don't end up adding incorrect tags). But if you were simply referring to "popular new titles" and similar that's merely how the popularity system works for the site, you'll see "ecchi for men" because they get the most bookmarks within 30 days than other titles (ironically, the more split they are the other titles the less chances for users to come across them). In the end, all of this must come because you must be worried that non-sex/arrousal related series are not getting on the front page, right?

 

[coffee_lv]

OMEGAVERSE theme/tag​

It would be a really good addition as it is a very distinct part of BL and implies some things

 

[Spaghetti7173]

 

[Edo4169]

Why everyone want a specific tag for their porn! Just go to the porn site to get your specific tag! FFS!

 

[sterven]

Summon.gif
@bigtiddyoneesan @pandascepter @EOTFOFYL @hazzack
Also didn't you already make a the exact same request before with no response?

 

[Robinisback]

Omegaverse Mpreg fans will see this and go "Hell yeah!"

Spoiler: Putting it in Spoiler since it's not a blessing for your eyes

 

[BakedBanana]

Omegaverse Mpreg fans will see this and go "Hell yeah!"

Spoiler: Putting it in Spoiler since it's not a blessing for your eyes

I really to fix my habit of clicking spoiler tags without reading the text.

 

[Angry_Panda]

I really to fix my habit of clicking spoiler tags without reading the text.

No, you don't.

 

[Robinisback]

I really to fix my habit of clicking spoiler tags without reading the text.

Well, atleast you got to experience a once in life time experience considering you'd never search it up, I guess.

 

[pandascepter]

Look you fucking turd. OMEGAVERSE are different entire thing from YAOI/YURI and others animal tag.

And dont get me started on the Twilight.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

I'm not feeling it,
There are other tags out there
That could use some love.

 

[hazzack]

I'm not feeling it,
There are other tags out there
That could use some love.

Yes, boys with kneesocks for example.