Takarakuji de 40-oku Atatta ndakedo Isekai ni Ijuu Suru - Vol. 12 Ch. 57 - Weapon Manufacturing Plan

[MangaDex]

 

[definitionofinsanity]

"The existence of anti-halite..."

...Anti-salt? Oh god, now the only thing I can think of is matter/anti-matter collisions and matter-to-energy conversions, but with salt.

Also, regarding the history of crossbows... No one knows who invented it, really. Both China and Ancient Greece started having known examples of crossbows appearing at almost the same time (also, with the theory that Chinese Emperors/Artisans hired Greek artists to teach them how to do sculpting and molding for projects like the Terracotta Army of Qin Shi Huang... albeit like 2-300 years later than the crossbow... it's possible there was fringe trade of culture and products that historically went unnoticed).

China definitely cornered the market on crossbows early on, however. They were fielding entire armies of them while the crossbow was not (yet) widely used in Europe. It wasn't until the era of the Roman Empire and afterwards that the crossbow finally found its niche in Europe and put a hell of a lot of people into the ground.

And, oh, the crossbow as not banned by the Pope. The Pope didn't permit it being used against fellow Christians... Non-Christians could still be murdered quite happily with the crossbow. And plenty of mercenaries and other countries continued to use it against Christians as well.

Also, Zircona, as usual, is right. Kazuma keeping all this entirely Valetta is incredibly shitty and will likely make her feel like she wasn't trust-worthy or capable enough or something along those lines. Valetta is not dumb. If you simply had told her, "I'm doing this" and when she offered her help you said you didn't want her to get her hands dirty with blood and wanted to focus on production of things like the forge, iron production, etc. instead because they're important too... She'd understand. But, no. MC is going to pull a dumb, because misunderstandings need to be misunderstood or whatever.

 

[Beregorn]

"The existence of anti-halite..."

...Anti-salt? Oh god, now the only thing I can think of is matter/anti-matter collisions and matter-to-energy conversions, but with salt.

Also, regarding the history of crossbows... No one knows who invented it, really. Both China and Ancient Greece started having known examples of crossbows appearing at almost the same time (also, with the theory that Chinese Emperors/Artisans hired Greek artists to teach them how to do sculpting and molding for projects like the Terracotta Army of Qin Shi Huang... albeit like 2-300 years later than the crossbow... it's possible there was fringe trade of culture and products that historically went unnoticed).

China definitely cornered the market on crossbows early on, however. They were fielding entire armies of them while the crossbow was not (yet) widely used in Europe. It wasn't until the era of the Roman Empire and afterwards that the crossbow finally found its niche in Europe and put a hell of a lot of people into the ground.

And, oh, the crossbow as not banned by the Pope. The Pope didn't permit it being used against fellow Christians... Non-Christians could still be murdered quite happily with the crossbow. And plenty of mercenaries and other countries continued to use it against Christians as well.

Also, Zircona, as usual, is right. Kazuma keeping all this entirely Valetta is incredibly shitty and will likely make her feel like she wasn't trust-worthy or capable enough or something along those lines. Valetta is not dumb. If you simply had told her, "I'm doing this" and when she offered her help you said you didn't want her to get her hands dirty with blood and wanted to focus on production of things like the forge, iron production, etc. instead because they're important too... She'd understand. But, no. MC is going to pull a dumb, because misunderstandings need to be misunderstood or whatever.

Also, while MC is concerned about giving them crossbows, Valetta is already developing gunpowder...

 

[TestAddress]

Kazura is so focused on his technology he forgot the natural geniuses in that world.

This would be the rude awakening from him.

Too bad the series is in hiatus in raws. They stopped where the going gets tough. It is already a full year and a quarter since their last release.

EDIT: THERE WILL BE A RELEASE 7/31!!!!

 

[Simpleton]

As for the catapult - due to wear and tear on the materials that one is imprecise and not good for quick sieges (you can basically just throw burning things and carcasses over a well-built wall).

So mangaka should have drawn a trebuchet (counterweight catapult) - with a skilled user and uniform weight on shots you can aim for the same spot shot after shot and basically drill through the obstacle until it cracks. (Of course, when it comes to city walls, they might be very thick and either way will probably get repaired during the night, but the morale damage of being able to whittle the walls down could be significant and lead to surrenders to avoid being stormed and plundered)

tl/dr Catapults are hard to build and didn't last long, trebuchets are again reasonably simple to build and they were only replaced by gunpowder weapons (being able to toss heavier things faster meaning lots more damage to the targets).

 

[TestAddress]

Also, while MC is concerned about giving them crossbows, Valetta is already developing gunpowder...

and the enemy is making a catapult.

 

[TestAddress]

As for the catapult - due to wear and tear on the materials that one is imprecise and not good for quick sieges (you can basically just throw burning things and carcasses over a well-built wall).

So mangaka should have drawn a trebuchet (counterweight catapult) - with a skilled user and uniform weight on shots you can aim for the same spot shot after shot and basically drill through the obstacle until it cracks. (Of course, when it comes to city walls, they might be very thick and either way will probably get repaired during the night, but the morale damage of being able to whittle the walls down could be significant and lead to surrenders to avoid being stormed and plundered)

tl/dr Catapults are hard to build and didn't last long, trebuchets are again reasonably simple to build and they were only replaced by gunpowder weapons (being able to toss heavier things faster meaning lots more damage to the targets).

Catapults were the base for the iron cannons that further became tanks - the portable cannons.

 

[Simpleton]

Catapults were the base for the iron cannons that further became tanks - the portable cannons.

Heh, no.

Completely different technology base and a different usage method.

"Portable cannons" were introduced in the late 16th early 17th century anyway, with "flying artillery" (i.e. artillery that would maneuver during a battle to get into new positions). (And they were introduced two centuries before that if we consider that arquebuses and later handguns were indeed evolved from portable cannons).

You could possibly claim that the ballista was the precursor to the cannon, since at least it would shoot straight. And the catapult could claim relationship with the mortar, but that's like saying the Tyrannosaurus Rex has a relationship with the common Broiler Chicken. True in a sense, but largely meaningless.

 

[welcome2atlantis]

War seems unavoidable

 

[ShinduPK4]

They're both producing crossbows while hiding it from each other, thinking that they're somehow pathetically "saving" each other, and the person who knows about it decided to keep it to herself. Fucking comedy.
There aren't many stories which genuinely annoy me with their writing, but this one definitely does. Romance can't be called romance, because nothing ever happens. Most problems can be classified as cheap drama that could be solved by having a single conversation. MC is one of the most pathetic, naive morons I've ever seen, and his only saving grace is being born in a more advanced civilization.

 

[Coldlight]

And now Zirconia doesn't tell Kazura anything about Alondo. I'd dock points for that but okay... I'll give her a pass this time because this is a personal problem with Valetta. Valetta herself has to reach out to Kazura about this.

"not only will it increase the citizen's anxiety"
So the alternative is to bury your heads in the sand, pretending there is no problem while hoping the danger of invasion will go away? Nelson, please.

"Is it not normal to want to confide everything to the person you hold dear the most?"
That's nice Zirconia, but this is the exact opposite of what Valetta and Kazura have been doing to each other. Nobody is confiding anything until the last possible moment. Hell, they don't even know they're both thinking of developing weapons!

Zirconia's actions and words in the latter half of the manga kinda make me want to give her a hug for confronting Kazura's naivety head-on, more than once(!), and she's actually getting it through that thick skull of his. Without her intervention more stupid decisions would have happened. This should have happened earlier, the enemy has a head start because of all this wishy-washy naive thinking of theirs.

It's just hard to believe the protagonist is a 25 year old adult man, with this much naivety and lack of maturity I'd believe it better if he was just the typical 16 year old high schooler isekai protag, or even a 12 year old boy.

 

[dementati]

With this manga, I'm always like "Is this finally the end of the prologue?", and we're on volume 12.