Tamayomi - Vol. 1 Ch. 4 - The Lake-side Baseball Club

[MangaDex]

 

[marianolinx]

Is this gay?

The anime poster looks gay for me

 

[flavorful]

Thanks for the new chapter, I was wondering if this was ever coming back.

 

[solfalling]

Bad translation. Other group's version is much better.

@marianolinx
As of volume 5 there is much more baseball than even subtext. Tamaki x Yomi (the MCs) does get some focus, and occasionally have flirty background interactions. However, this is one series that is basically 100% to never go beyond subtext.

Would still recommend though. The baseball is actually really solid, and the subtext that is present is cute. The girls are definitely gay, you just won't see them getting into an onscreen relationship.

 

[SuperOniichan]

@solfalling "they are definitely gay, you just never see them in a relationship on the screen" - oh, this is a classic an attempt to convince yourself that your ship is canon no matter what.

@marianolinx This is the cosplay of one of the popular poses for baseball staged photographs. If you think being a popular baseball player is gay, then yes.

 

[solfalling]

@SuperOniichan If you look at the author's other series there's no question as to the MCs intended relationship. Everything they've written is gay as fuck; this series just focuses on sports more than explicit romance.

 

[SuperOniichan]

@solfalling "everything" is too big a word for one yuri series (you can look at Baka-Tsuki, all these works make up one series and are connected with each other) and Kantai douji. Even if we forget that any CGDCT author at some time wrote some yuri or that many yuri authors at some time wrote non-romance female-focused manga, the argument "this author once wrote yuri, then this is yuri", is rather stupid. In any case, if all your arguments are either indirect or based on assumptions, then this is an occasion to reflect.

 

[solfalling]

@SuperOniichan
As someone who actually follows this artist I do mean "everything". In the first place you shouldn't count on sites like baka-updates to have anywhere close to an artist's full history but even there you are wrong:
https://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=20243
There's far more than a single yuri "series" and Kancolle doujins there. (The "series" you seem to talk about is actually a collection, of works previously published as doujinshi. So they're not particularly connected aside from direct sequels, no.)

I also mentioned that I read the raws for this series, there is obvious flirting and romantic subtext between the MCs. Other pairings are also being established, with a confession in vol 6. It isn't new that many commercial works are forced to be subtext (to sell) while artists go full yuri in doujinshi. Combined with heavy subtext in the series it is completely retarded to deny that this series is meant to be gay -- you are the one working on assumptions, not me.

 

[SuperOniichan]

@solfalling You say so, as if Manga Time Kirara doesn't have canonical yuri or absurdly gay works, because of which, including, the yuri community is so obsessed with this publishing house. Not to mention the fact that your statement assumes that the official positioning of this work excludes the canonicity of yuri interpretations. And no, I'm right. This is still a series of interconnected yuri manga and yuri douji. From the fact that this is not a series, but a collection, absolutely nothing changes.

As for "obvious ", the use of this word by yuri / BL shippers has long been a meme in my eyes. If all this "obvious" really were like that, then in the world any work about friendship would simply disappear, and all the characters would become gays and lesbians. Not to mention the romantic subtext, whose use in art is much wider than shipping. Any bromance is based on romantic subtext, I hope you do not want to say that this makes any bromance actual gay romance?

Ultimately, all your arguments are based on the study of an author’s career and your own interpretations of what is not said directly in the plot. Are you sure that I'm making assumptions, lol?

 

[solfalling]

@SuperOniichan
Kirara occasionally has explicit yuri but they don't necessarily sell. The vast majority of Kirara series are subtext, just like this. You're delusional if you don't think there's any editorial restrictions publishing under the Kirara family vs a dedicated house like YuriHime (and even YuriHime has restrictions compared to doujinshi, that's simply the reality of being commercially published).

As for the doujinshi collection thing, you're simply making stuff up about the series being interconnected and not even checking your sources (I wondered why you only mentioned Kancolle doujin, but it turns out that's the only thing uploaded here to Mangadex. Even checking baka-updates would've shown you that the author's done doujin of other series). Here's Mountain Pukuichi's doujinshi.org page, you can see that he's been making tons of yuri doujinshi (both fan and original) since 2008:
https://www.doujinshi.org/browse/author/2404/Mountain-Pukuichi/
Everything is yuri.

Being willfully blind to an author's interests and history only makes you delusional. If a yuri author includes subtext in a commercial story it's obvious what their intentions are.
(As to your question about "bromance", the thing is that all humans are inherently bisexual. Denying that there's any homo-eroticism in stories about romantic friendship is totally laughable. Sexuality isn't restricted to only being expressed in accordance to modern political identities, and there can be times where it isn't expressed at all. That doesn't make gay stuff any less fucking gay.)

 

[SuperOniichan]

@solfalling Oh, now you say that even Yuri Hime is afraid to print openly homosexual works. At first I thought that you simply transfer Western cliches to the Japanese market, but as it turned out, your ideas about the industry are strange in itself. “He did a lot of yuri douji, so it’s yuri” - I find it fun to watch you keep repeating this argument despite the fact that I have already explained twice why I consider it illogical and stupid. And you completely defiantly ignored my hint that yuri manga and moe friendship are connected, continuing to assert that if the author draws yuri, then any of his fanservice in friendship should be perceived strictly as the yuri canon.

"As to your question about "bromance", the thing is that all humans are inherently bisexual" - Lol, that is, you basically deny any intimate and close friendship, seriously believing that this is the embodiment of hidden human bisexuality? Along with this, arguing that any homoeroticism in the image of friendship should be perceived only as a hint of sexual attraction? In essence, attributing to all authors your own view of the world? Lol, I love the Internet, only in it you can meet such weird people. Okay, I’ll ask another question. Shonen's nakama power is largely the Japanese version of bromance. You want to say that any topic of friendship in shonen is a reference to the bisexuality of the characters? BakuDeku is a semi-canon in your understanding, lol?

"Sexuality isn't restricted to only being expressed in accordance to modern political identities, and there can be times where it isn't expressed at all. That doesn't make gay stuff any less fucking gay." - funny, but you literally do just that, trying to interpret bromance as bisexuality or calling romantic friendship homoerotic. I’ll tell you a secret, in the 18-19th centuries, no one considered romantic friendship to be homoerotic or gay-ish, it disappeared from real life only in our time, because morons like you began to consider this “too gay”. You are literally trying to put into your weird understanding of modern identities what is beyond your understanding, but at the same time trying to give me some lectures about it. Awesome ignorance.

 

[solfalling]

@SuperOniichan
YuriHime doesn't publish outright porn, for example. Mountain Pukuichi's doujinshi certainly have things that are far more explicit than would be published by Kirara. As I said, you're delusional if you think writing under a commercial manga magazine doesn't come with restrictions.

The thing about yuri authors is that they write romance, they know how to distinguish between romance and friendship. (Het romance readers typically don't, they see boy + girl and automatically think "romance" while they see girl + girl and automatically think "friendship".) If yuri fans thought all female friendship was yuri they'd be shipping every single pair in all-girl series as a gigantic clusterfuck rather than shipping specific pairings. Romantic subtext is specifically romantic. If you take romantic subtext AND combine it with an authorial history of explicitly gay fiction (particularly a dedicated history, Mountain Pukuichi has only ever done yuri) it is, I repeat, fucking obvious what the author's intention is and your denial is simply delusional.

"Homo-eroticism" and "romantic friendship" are gay, full stop. I don't deny "close" friendships but humans are inherently sexual creatures, if you're not taking care of those urges elsewhere your relationships are gonna be somewhat gay, sorry to tell you. (And they can be gay even if you are taking caring of them, lol, sorry).
I read very little shounen shit so I have no idea what you're talking about but in general yes, the big fujo ships are also gay. Shounen is pretty gay in general. The problem there is that since the authors usually aren't aware of how gay they are (Noda of Golden Kamui being an exception there, kek. Araki of Jojo too) they typically never proceed beyond subtext and might even disrupt BL ships with het (though that's not necessarily a dealbreaker; as I said, humans are bisexual). That won't be an issue for this series (being under Kirara aside; Kirara also has het series) since Mountain Pukuichi's writing lesbian shit with full awareness.

Edit:
It is completely hilarious that you are denying the possibility that this subtext is yuri when Mountain Pukuichi started out doing Lucky Star yuri. This author is completely familiar with interpreting subtext as romance. You have to completely have your head stuck up your ass to insist "nope, everything is just friendship" for a series you haven't even read in the face of all this evidence.

 

[SuperOniichan]

@solfalling You say that porn is not something that most magazines will not publish. Criticizing your fantasies about restrictions doesn't mean denying restrictions at all, man.

Ahaha, isn't that true ?! If I see close female friends in the anime, then I already know that someone will call it too gay and follow it, in the hope that they will become a couple. This shit first appeared in fujoshi fandom and now the yuri community is literally hugging it. Why do you think that any work about female friendship immediately attracts the huge attention of the yuri community, even if the girls are emphasized straight? I will tell you another little secret - popular publications, especially moe, often recruit young authors from among those who draw on pixiv or make douji. Many of these authors started with BL or yuri, do the math. Have you ever heard of CLAMP?

Yeah. You didn’t even think about the fact that due to the nature of human society, people will think that there is something between a guy and a girl, denying that they can be friends. Not to mention that the possibility of a romantic attraction between people of the same sex is lower than between the opposite. And don't continue to say this shit about "all people are bisexual" in order to use this as a loophole to justify your fantasies and finding sexual attraction in any human interaction. Judging by your ravings that shonen authors use BL subtext but “don’t know about it,” you obviously never heard of Jump Bishonen Syndrome. As usual, I have to educate the person who is trying to teach me, yeah.

So, let's clarify something, otherwise I’ll just be torn from sarcasm. Don't you understand that yuri and BL mangakas can use yuri subtext simply because they like this kind of fanservice, and not because they want to turn it into yuri? Do you think that CLAMP has been adding homoerotic subtext to their male characters for years, not because they loved such staff as former BL-douji authors, but because they wanted to say that all these guys are gay and bisexual?

 

[SuperOniichan]

@solfalling You can repeat the same arguments once again 100, pretending that you do not understand what I am writing to you, but that will not make them more meaningful.

 

[solfalling]

@SuperOniichan
Getting tired of speaking with an illiterate dumbass ("doujis", lol) so this'll be my last post. You keep talking about irrelevant generalities (Mountain Pukuichi isn't young, and Tama Yomi isn't his first serialization) because you don't know this actual author and you don't even know this specific series. Everything you say is based on random assumptions that you pull out of your ass which you don't even try to verify or prove ("Mountain Pukuichi only has one yuri series because all his doujinshi are connected", lol). You are obviously denying yuri only because you don't want to see it, while having zero interest in the actual content or author's intention.

You've basically admitted to being a heteronormative neanderthal with your talk about "human nature", lol. I shouldn't be surprised that someone who keeps ranting about shounen has no idea what actual romance is and thinks "What, a boy and a girl? Obviously they should get together". Try reading some shoujo so you can feel NTR'd when the whiny childhood friend gets dumped, lol. Yuri readers and writers know what romance is, they don't play by your neanderthal rules. A yuri author can make a world of as many gays as they want.

For the record, it's not about BL and yuri authors "wanting to say" characters are bisexual. All humans are bisexual, that's simple physiological fact (you can't tell who's fucking you if you're blindfolded, y'know). BL and yuri authors are writing their characters as GAY, because that's what they like. Nobody stops liking stuff they spent years dedicating time and energy to just because they get commercially published. The idea that authors who love gay shit are putting gay subtext into their stories but thinking "oh, I don't actually want them to be gay, this is just fanservice" is completely retarded and nothing but deluded mental gymnastics trying to avoid looking at reality.

 

[SuperOniichan]

@solfalling Call someone a dumbass and continue to measure work's yuri potential using the number of yuri works in author career. Lol. After that, to argue with my asbracted example of human thinking as my own opinion. LOL. Accuse someone of random assumptions and biased positions and at the same time constantly use personal attack as an argument and distort other people's arguments, not being able to even read them normally. Оh. Your statement that I don’t see yuri because I “don’t want to see it” (finding something because you “want to see it", of course, isn't biased in any way) or your denial that the author is a beginner, although my words were about general practice and major publications, say a lot.

"You've basically admitted to being a heteronormative neanderthal with your talk about "human nature", lol." - Oh, I'm sorry that I'm not a sexually anxious queer girl who thinks sexual attraction is behind any human interaction. Your arguments for that people are bisexual, "you cannot tell who you fuck with your eyes closed" and "you cannot deny the homoeroticism of romantic friendship", is simply divine. I regret that I spent years on an unnecessary psychologist diploma before I met you, lol. About the next repetition of your speculations, to which I have already repeatedly answered, I will not even speak, since this is pointless.

Thank you so much for not continuing this discussion. Otherwise, I just would have fucked died from reading so much toxic ignorance, wishful thinking and unscientific crap.

 

[Beastkun]

not gonna lie kinda forgot about this series until i saw the anime was coming out and then checked on here saw i even commented about it 7months ago and now reminded about the series again because of the anime

wondering did the series get dropped again? if so hopefully this series gets picked back up again

 

[AgentKuga]

i gave up following the comment section after like the first 3 posts
but my opinion is the following:
the author may have created a lot of yuri series but that does not mean that this series is going to be yuri. Granted, it is more likely this is yuri, but who knows, author-san may have just wanted to take a break from yuri or something (I am not saying this is the case, it is just possible.).
However, someone down there has said that looking in the raws, there is flirting and a confession. Now, if that's true, that's yuri isn't it?