Tenmaku no Jaadugar - Vol. 2 Ch. 9

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Thanks for the chapter !
I have trouble seeing where the story is going, she spent 8 years as a slave and it seems like she didn't accomplish much of her "revenge plan"... but maybe this is where the story really gets starting with the succession.
 
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Nope. Finding and then accidentally dropping just the right item at just the right time is too contrived.
 
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Nope. Finding and then accidentally dropping just the right item at just the right time is too contrived.
Look, this is the female childhood friend/lover of Nasr-al-Din al-Tusi who had a violent personal encounter with Tolui, then by chance had an opportunity to sit at a lecture by Daoist Grand Master Changchun on his way to meeting Genghis Khan himself and you complain about the bezoar stone? :ROFLMAO:
 
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This great lady?

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Look, this is the female childhood friend/lover of Nasr-al-Din al-Tusi who had a violent personal encounter with Tolui, then by chance had an opportunity to sit at a lecture by Daoist Grand Master Changchun on his way to meeting Genghis Khan himself and you complain about the bezoar stone? :ROFLMAO:
The issue for me is fundamental dependence of the plot upon chance coincidence, not the mere appearance of unlikely sequences of events.
 
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The issue for me is fundamental dependence of the plot upon chance coincidence, not the mere appearance of unlikely sequences of events.
Look at the cover art and gain some insight.

Formative years are blips for older people. Only specific events need to be told to gain context to a larger story set in later years. I'm guessing the larger part will be told when she's, like the manga cover, grey of hair, wrinkled and soft of expression.
 
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Look at the cover art and gain some insight.

Formative years are blips for older people. Only specific events need to be told to gain context to a larger story set in later years. I'm guessing the larger part will be told when she's, like the manga cover, grey of hair, wrinkled and soft of expression.
You appear to be working rather hard to miss the point. If you persist, then discussion with you would be (as Paine would say) “like administering medicine to the dead”.
 
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You appear to be working rather hard to miss the point. If you persist, then discussion with you would be (as Paine would say) “like administering medicine to the dead”.
What was your point again? I'm kimda distracted with the translator's note about that sixth wife being actually the second but still being relevant because the author didn't know better.

I don't think she dropped the right item at the right time, it looked like that event was going to blow her cover at first and then, it looked like it was going to get her into trouble.
Is it actually helping her to achieve her goals? I guess I'm too dumb to realize that.
 
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I don't think she dropped the right item at the right time, it looked like that event was going to blow her cover at first and then, it looked like it was going to get her into trouble.
Is it actually helping her to achieve her goals? I guess I'm too dumb to realize that.
Certainly you are, because I was writing of plot contrivance, as I made quite plain:
The issue for me is fundamental dependence of the plot upon chance coincidence
Now please desist.
 
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@Oeconomist What do you think it should have happened? That is more interesting than whether the plot is artificial or not. To me right now, that is.
 
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What do you think it should have happened?
Imagine that a companion criticizes the driver of a vehicle that turn and heads the wrong way down a one-way street, and your response is to defend the driver by demanding that your companion tell you which way the driver should have turned, as if your companion, before criticizing such driving, ought to know the destination of the driver.

What a cheap and stupid attempt at Socratic argument!
That is more interesting than whether the plot is artificial or not. To me right now, that is.
Of course you are comfortable with cheap and stupid construction of the plot; but your comfort is no defense.
 
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Imagine that a companion criticizes the driver of a vehicle that turn and heads the wrong way down a one-way street, and your response is to defend the driver by demanding that your companion tell you which way the driver should have turned, as if your companion, before criticizing such driving, ought to know the destination of the driver.

What a cheap and stupid attempt at Socratic argument!

Of course you are comfortable with cheap and stupid construction of the plot; but your comfort is no defense.
What an awesome response, let me throw you another cheap and stupid attempt at arguing with you: I think it's a matter of taste if you found the construction of the plot cheap and stupid too.

Now, a misdirection: I find it jarring that the art style is so cutesy and round when such terrible things are happening to the protagonist and the people surrounding her.

This may be justified by the apparent intention from the author of sharing his nerdy knowledge about the Mongol empire and the story of this Fatima.

(man I write so bad) So, the explanations about the culture of both mongols and muslims from the time are the focus and the plot contrivances are born from them being just a tool for more nerdy stuff.
 
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What an awesome response, let me throw you another cheap and stupid attempt at arguing with you: I think it's a matter of taste if you found the construction of the plot cheap and stupid too.
I explained why your construction is cheap and stupid; and, before that, why the plot construction was cheap and stupid. It's not a mere matter of taste whether those constructions are cheap and stupid. You have a taste for the cheap and stupid, but argue with those who identify the cheap and stupid as such.
 
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thank you for the translation! this is a gorgeous manga and the care that is going into both the translation and the explanations is evident. looking forward to the next chap

edit: i also thought, for a little more exposure, the genres historical and drama should be added
 
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