Totsuzen Nantonaku Tonari no Seki no Dōryō to Kisu Shitaku Narimashita. - Ch. 2

[MangaDex]

 

[MathMols]

New girl fuck off

 

[feha]

...Why would they have fake listings?
Also, that whole sections about "being unwilling to provide follow-up", is that supposed to be some kind of attempt at implying descrimination against same-sex couples? Cause if so, it really didn't mesh with the rest of how things were described - but I also don't see any real reason for them to adamantly refuse to take contact info so they can message if new listings appear that fit the criteria.

 

[SrNevik]

...Why would they have fake listings?
Also, that whole sections about "being unwilling to provide follow-up", is that supposed to be some kind of attempt at implying descrimination against same-sex couples? Cause if so, it really didn't mesh with the rest of how things were described - but I also don't see any real reason for them to adamantly refuse to take contact info so they can message if new listings appear that fit the criteria.

They were unwilling to provide follow-ups for some of the reasons shown at the end. It was a couple of examples of the kind of discrimination same-sex couples can get there, yes. We can't say for sure all of them were discriminating, but we notice the fact that all of the agents rejected two otherwise, healthy, working adults from just the prelim stage. It's not like people will straight up tell you why they block you, but that female agent pretty much got straight to the point anyway.
Also, I'm confused about this point: Why doesn't it mesh with everything else that was described?

 

[feha]

They were unwilling to provide follow-ups for some of the reasons shown at the end. It was a couple of examples of the kind of discrimination same-sex couples can get there, yes. We can't say for sure all of them were discriminating, but we notice the fact that all of the agents rejected two otherwise, healthy, working adults from just the prelim stage. It's not like people will straight up tell you why they block you, but that female agent pretty much got straight to the point anyway.
Also, I'm confused about this point: Why doesn't it mesh with everything else that was described?

Other than that point, they described the staff as going above and beyond ("every agent we talked to tried their best"), and at least one of the ppl later on was even one of her friends.
Besides that, others instead had entirely legit reasons such as not having any legit listings, or the timing not working out (presumably from not having listings at the time).
There were also plenty of listings they had no issues getting to check, but that was only if they lowered their terms. So the issues were only a thing with the exact listings they desired.

As for that female who mentioned a policy against women, I am entirely confused about her. Why is financial stability for women not able to be guaranteed? Is it related to how women are usually considered housewives in jp and lacking income (then just show you have a job)? Why would they need stability anyway, is it not enough that they can pay the portions the real-estate agent has to deal with (not like the real estate agent is taking any risks after they passed those portions)? If nothing else, just check their income, bank accounts, and if they ever had to pay with credit (if so, then I could see refusing them on account of instability), etc.

 

[blablablub]

When both occupants are women, financial stability can't be guaranteed

Wow, that's sexist.

 

[SrNevik]

Other than that point, they described the staff as going above and beyond ("every agent we talked to tried their best"), and at least one of the ppl later on was even one of her friends.
Besides that, others instead had entirely legit reasons such as not having any legit listings, or the timing not working out (presumably from not having listings at the time).
There were also plenty of listings they had no issues getting to check, but that was only if they lowered their terms. So the issues were only a thing with the exact listings they desired.

As for that female who mentioned a policy against women, I am entirely confused about her. Why is financial stability for women not able to be guaranteed? Is it related to how women are usually considered housewives in jp and lacking income (then just show you have a job)? Why would they need stability anyway, is it not enough that they can pay the portions the real-estate agent has to deal with (not like the real estate agent is taking any risks after they passed those portions)? If nothing else, just check their income, bank accounts, and if they ever had to pay with credit (if so, then I could see refusing them on account of instability), etc.

I wouldn't characterize it that way. They are new to the process (as a couple) and they went into it assuming the best (from the agents as well). She also recognized that they were being "run around" a page or two after that. These agents are also not from one company. They were trying out many different agents. I'm not sure what legit reasons were mentioned (pertaining to the agents)? The only reasons mentioned are the two at the end both of which are dubious at best. There are no other specifics about why they continued to be rejected from even a second meeting unless I missed a quote somewhere. As for the female agent: the confusion is the point. What she says makes little sense unless it's viewed from a discriminatory lens, either as women or as two women moving in together. She rejected them from even a second meeting to gather the info you suggest. She washed her hands of them--"politely" of course. These issues get brought up a lot in Yuri manga when cohabitation comes up, with agents' being very difficult at best. I think one author talked about passing around notes among friends about who were the best agents to talk to in certain areas because the issue was so well-known for gay couples. This just seems like another depiction.

 

[PinkPuppet]

Thank you for the chapter

 

[feha]

I wouldn't characterize it that way. They are new to the process (as a couple) and they went into it assuming the best (from the agents as well). She also recognized that they were being "run around" a page or two after that. These agents are also not from one company. They were trying out many different agents. I'm not sure what legit reasons were mentioned (pertaining to the agents)? The only reasons mentioned are the two at the end both of which are dubious at best. There are no other specifics about why they continued to be rejected from even a second meeting unless I missed a quote somewhere. As for the female agent: the confusion is the point. What she says makes little sense unless it's viewed from a discriminatory lens, either as women or as two women moving in together. She rejected them from even a second meeting to gather the info you suggest. She washed her hands of them--"politely" of course. These issues get brought up a lot in Yuri manga when cohabitation comes up, with agents' being very difficult at best. I think one author talked about passing around notes among friends about who were the best agents to talk to in certain areas because the issue was so well-known for gay couples. This just seems like another depiction.

The other reasons they listed were the ones I included. About the timing being off such that they didn't have listings within their demands (which is corroborated with how she did get to see and visit listings that required compromises). So no, the reasons mentioned were not only those 2 at the end there.
The specifics about being rejected a second meeting, seemed to be based on not having any listings to meet about (again, she did find some if she compromised on her terms). The bigger issue was that they didn't want to provide "follow-ups", but I also kinda somewhat get it as that would require lots of calling if every client asked to get notified if listings appeared - work that likely goes unrewarded as they will have found stuff without bothering to cancel the follow-ups.

The only one that actually looks like she's discriminating there, is the female one, which is based on her sentence making absolutely no sense without further context I clearly lack (if it wasn't discrimination).

Besides all that, why would real estate agents discriminate based on those things? In that manner? Surely they want sales if they can get sales. And if they know it will sell anyway and intend to discriminate due to that lee-way, all they really had to do was up the selling price - netting them extra money in addition to getting to discriminate. A so-called Win-Win?

 

[SrNevik]

Besides all that, why would real estate agents discriminate based on those things? In that manner? Surely they want sales if they can get sales. And if they know it will sell anyway and intend to discriminate due to that lee-way, all they really had to do was up the selling price - netting them extra money in addition to getting to discriminate. A so-called Win-Win?

The answer to that is pretty clear, no? Yes, descrimination generally doesn't make sense. As for the other stuff, I was asking about the agents they met. The issues with timing weren't related to those agents. They searched for listings and came up empty, then found some agents who gave them the run around. The female agent who mentioned "timings" is the same one who later used a different excuse of "two women." They're making stuff up to politely decline. This is not a natural experience when getting agents.

 

[feha]

The answer to that is pretty clear, no? As for the other stuff, I was asking about the agents they met. The issues with timing weren't related to those agents. They searched for listings and came up empty, then found some agents who gave them the run around. The women who mentioned "timings" is the same one who later used a different excuse of "two women." They're making stuff up to politely decline.

Huh, hadn't even realized the "timings" guy was the same as the "financial stability" girl. So they went back to the same ppl at the end there huh.
Also, making stuff up? Are you implying that ppl lie?

 

[SrNevik]

Huh, hadn't even realized the "timings" guy was the same as the "financial stability" girl. So they went back to the same ppl at the end there huh.
Also, making stuff up? Are you implying that ppl lie?

Are you implying you'd be surprised to learn that people lie? Not understanding that question.

 

[Lilisionnach]

It all makes sense if you look at it from the agents just not wanting to cooperate with them. Hemming and hawing about "timing", "financial stability", no guarantor, are easy ways to skirt actually outright denying them a lease purely because it's two women. They'd have to be the ones to accuse the agent of foul-play.

Also, the point about "with both of them being women, financial stability can't be guaranteed" is an assumption that one or both will marry, become pregnant, and retire, thus removing their source of income.

Inui Ayu's autobiographical series about living with her girlfriend actually talked a little bit about how she's had friends discriminated against while searching for housing in one of the bonus chapters and how they recommend the one they worked with because he worked with same sex couples.

Edit: I should clarify that it's not necessarily the agent themselves discriminating, it may be the company or the property owners that are the hinderance and the agent is trying to be polite in turning them away.

 

[Scruffy]

There was an interesting article in a New Zealand paper recently about a gay couple living in japan. The housing discrimination is real and can be a significant problem. In that case it was probably made worse that they were gay and non japanese.

 

[Glimmung]

The other reasons they listed were the ones I included. About the timing being off such that they didn't have listings within their demands (which is corroborated with how she did get to see and visit listings that required compromises). So no, the reasons mentioned were not only those 2 at the end there.
The specifics about being rejected a second meeting, seemed to be based on not having any listings to meet about (again, she did find some if she compromised on her terms). The bigger issue was that they didn't want to provide "follow-ups", but I also kinda somewhat get it as that would require lots of calling if every client asked to get notified if listings appeared - work that likely goes unrewarded as they will have found stuff without bothering to cancel the follow-ups.

The only one that actually looks like she's discriminating there, is the female one, which is based on her sentence making absolutely no sense without further context I clearly lack (if it wasn't discrimination).

Besides all that, why would real estate agents discriminate based on those things? In that manner? Surely they want sales if they can get sales. And if they know it will sell anyway and intend to discriminate due to that lee-way, all they really had to do was up the selling price - netting them extra money in addition to getting to discriminate. A so-called Win-Win?

You can get evicted in Japan for changing jobs.

 

[ygizbeez]

There was an interesting article in a New Zealand paper recently about a gay couple living in japan. The housing discrimination is real and can be a significant problem. In that case it was probably made worse that they were gay and non japanese.

Yeah , also a lot of Japanese agents discriminate against foreigners. Some places even have rules where they don't rent to foreigners/expats all. I know it took my friend almost 2 yrs to find someone who was willing to find someone who was willing to rent to her. It was honesty wild to me.

 

[N2O]

It's because if one of them were male then you know that both of them won't end up pregnant at the same time, forum