Watashi-tachi no Himitsu Jijou - Vol. 5 Ch. 18

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[karolyn]

Sorry, but that logic is so dumb considering he was literally only starting to heal thanks to the main character! Without her he would have stayed afraid of women forever. Is that really what the sister wants? 🙄

 

[jak]

Not what I expected. I feel bad for him though being blamed for the actions of a monster because he did something typical of a teenager.


Though I was expecting some sort of incest thing. XD

 

[Cyansoul]

The sister needs to stay out of this he has a right to love someone. I believe the sister is being selfish because she dosnt want him to find happiness. Reika is different than the sister because she tried to face her trauma head on instead of running away and blaming what happened to her on someone else.

 

[FredFriendly]

The situation is clearly Riku's fault since he was a dickhead and didn't walk his sister home so he deserves to suffer just as much, if not more, than his sister. Now that I know the cause of Riku's problem, I have absolutely no sympathy for him, whatsoever. If his sister is still traumatized and suffering from the incident, then so, too, should Riku continue to suffer. If he had done what he was supposed to do, what he should have done as her older brother, then he would not be suffering now. He could have prevented the whole situation if he hadn't been such an obnoxious, selfish asshole.

 

[pokefairy]

I feel so bad for Nako, and I've gotta say I think she's a good person after all. I'm happy she's managed to heal so much.

@fredfriendly he was 17, his mistake was not walking her home, which at that age is nothing. Blaming a child for being a child is stupid - he even told her to be careful so it's not like he had mailicious intent. I feel bad for Nako, but she wants her brother to be happy too. Neither of them deserve to suffer. Only the rapist does.

 

[Alexanpt]

So because of that she can't be his lover? I'm pretty sure they would be happy together. While I feel bad for Nako, I feel she's being selfish. Then again, Idk anything about stuff like this. 😕

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

I can see her point. She's wrong, but given how much/little she knows about the situation, it's a reasonable position. Given how little she knows about the situation, she should maybe be a little less positive that she knows everything that needs to be known, but still, it's a reasonable worry.
He was kind of a dick back then, but he's paid heavy and he's a better person now and he didn't know he was in fiction where of course something would inevitably happen, unlike real life where it basically wouldn't. @FredFriendly tends to react big and judge people hard.

 

[BrambleBee]

Thank you!

 

[WoodyCyber]

I suspected this was the case, but having it confirmed?? holy fudge...

 

[FredFriendly]

@Purplelibraryguy

...he didn't know he was in fiction where of course something would inevitably happen, unlike real life where it basically wouldn't.

Say that to the 90,000+ reported* rape victims in the U.S.A. alone during 2015 and see if they would agree with you. If you know 6 women, chances are very likely that at least one of them has been or will be violently sexually assaulted (and there's a 70% chance that she will know the attacker).

* According to rainn.org, "On average, there are 321,500 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year in the United States."

 

[mirp448]

thats a big oof

 

[Usu]

I'm glad that Nako is healed, better, and capable of worrying about Riku after what she went through. Knowing that she literally just came to Japan and has only known Reika for exactly one day has me understanding her position. She wants what she thinks is best for Riku, and it's understandable because she does not know (yet) that Reika is helping him heal. I would give it the end of this volume (next chapter?) for her to start accepting Reika after learning more about their dynamic. Or it drags on for a whole nother volume which will be annoying and hopefully less likely.

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

@FredFriendly Your last point undermines your objection to what I said. Yes indeed, most rape is not by strangers when you're walking home at night, it's by people you know in situations you would have expected to be safe. Stranger-danger paranoia is overblown, both with women and kids. I would suspect that even when rape is by people the victim doesn't know, much of it is not in the stereotypical "walking home in the evening" type situation--but I'll ignore that. The thing is though, the US has a population of well over 300 million. 160 million plus are women. Crunching some numbers , so any given woman would get raped by a stranger (well, and report it) at a rate of a .00017 chance per year, or an average of raped that way once in about 6,000 years. I'm sure if you factored in the nonreported it would be much more . . . except that nonreported probably skew even more to being done by people known to the victim. Even if it's ten times as much, that's raped by a stranger once in 600 years. Actually, this is all working out to way less than I was expecting; I suspect the real figures are higher just based on anecdotal accounts from women I know, although more of those are about close shaves and creepy situations that didn't in the end have tragic results.

Still, from the perspective of a callow youth of 17, "Nothing's gonna happen tonight" is not that surprising a sentiment. Almost certainly, nothing is . . . unless you happen to be in a manga.

 

[stunfire]

What happened to Nako was tragic but putting the blame on Riku was not fair either.
I understand that maybe at the time, she needed someone to blame to get through the trauma but in blaming Riku, and taking her anger out on him, she traumatized him too. To now come back and suggest what is best for his love life... is a little hypocritical. I'm sure at this point, they have mended their relationship but it irks me initially from an outsiders perspective.

I find that Nako's inclination to reject Reika (on the basis that Reika's past re-traumatizing her brother) is very interesting. Maybe I'm thinking too deeply on this but it seems like maybe she thinks that people who suffer from assault inherently end up ruining relationships. She probably thinks that about herself too ;_;.
I am impressed with how Nako is explaining her perspective and her reasoning. It shows how much she has changed since then as well as how their relationship has changed. She has brought up a significant concern given their family history. I am looking forward to Nako getting to know Reika and Riku's relationship further.

I feel that it is a little unfortunate that Riku was not the first to tell Reika about this himself as he needs to express how he feels about the matter and about this relationship with Reika for both of them to move forward. I'm sure that is coming up though.

 

[FredFriendly]

@Purplelibraryguy I find your callous and calculating attitude toward rape and sexual assault surprising, and pretty heartless.

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

@FredFriendly You wanted to make it about statistics. Not my fault they didn't imply what you thought they implied. It's easy to be misled by big numbers without context. But I'm not surprised your response is to judge me.

I actually find the whole Japanese convention of "A girl/woman must have a male escort after dark" to be paternalistic and controlling, and feel inflating the dangers is a cultural weapon to keep women dependent on men . . . specifically, the very men who are more likely than strangers to rape them. Under the chivalry, the whole thing is kind of creepy.

Not that our male lead was aware of any such issues. He should have gone to escort her. But if he thought there wasn't actually any noticeable danger, well, contrary to the narrative demands of many, many manga, he wasn't wrong.

 

[mukade]

It's like she put all the blame on her brother instead of the person that actually did it to her. I guess a lot of people in her position would've done the same, but it wasn't fair to her brother. People usually never think this sort of thing will happen to them, especially when they're young.

Her reasoning for rejecting Reika is also stupid as hell. She said herself she hasn't seen his laugh in years. If being near Reika was too painful he would've dumped her already. This is just unnecessary conflict created by manga logic.

 

[Roiya]

Ummmm her logic here is so dumb.... I wonder if the author just wanted to drag out the drama.

 

[FredFriendly]

@Purplelibraryguy Bzzt. Your assertion that woman who walk home alone at night are only assaulted or raped by strangers has skewed your reasoning and makes a mockery of you logic. Why don't you tell one of your female friends who have been raped by a stranger that "Stranger-danger paranoia is overblown" and see if they agree with you? Will you be telling us next that, "she was asking for it, just look how she dresses"?