Yondome wa Iya na Shizokusei Majutsushi - Ch. 60 - The Shadow That Corrupts the Slave Mine

[FMPower]

Spoiler: Imma spoil you :3

Heinz in the novel later comes as an hypocritical idiot, he made the Alda's peaceful faction aimed to protect all of Vida's races, this of course doesn't fully follow on it because he still went around destroying settlements of ghouls and such, nobles only wishing to accept this faction to be closer to the hero Heinz, and later comes to accept that the only way to atone is to get killed by Vandallieu as what he's done is unforgivable (he walks back from the settlement between him and van because of the demon lord fragments but still plans to fight Van later on so he can get killed by him).

Spoiler: Did you know :D

He later goes to release Bellwood from a seal of an Evil God that was tormenting the old hero by making him relive all of his mistakes and sins over and over again, by telling him "It couldn't be helped" (or something along those lines).

Guess I'll just have to wait and see how that all plays out to decide on the quality.

 

[Gotham2298]

Wait, the new princess lefdia is just a right hand? I can't tell if it's a missed opportunity or if I am way too tired to tell between left and right in images

I’m holding my phone in my left hand, so I have a good comparison.

 

[Gotham2298]

The next you know, he’ll use that hand to restore her sister’s body.

 

[GreC_89]

Stupid sexy ghosts, it's like wearing nothing at all

In her defense she conserve mana. She Can make her 'Clothes' bigger but they made out of flames and required mana to maintain.

The next you know, he’ll use that hand to restore her sister’s body.

There no need to restore it only to find it.

Spoiler: Got stolen

Spoiler: By this guy

He already shown up in manga and should be explained as well.

 

[Flexue]

I wish that elf could comfort me too (p14).

Thanks the translation!

 

[theblasblas]

I don't know if it means the writing is really good or really bad, but I don't feel the hatred for Hienz. Even in this chapter, when his party mates try to convince him to let go of his guilt, he never actually agrees with them. I understand why Van hates him, obviously, but I can also see his side and understand why he might not have have questioned his orders as an adventurer. At least not questioned it enough to abandon his quest before succeeding.

Maybe I need a re-read to remember the circumstances of his carrying out of the quest.

It's easy to judge as an audience with more information and perspectives, but that can lead to mistakes by assuming each character has the same level of understanding as we do.

I definitely think its the author's intent to show that Heins isn't a bad person. The tragedy of it all is that despite that, conflict between him and Van is inevitable.

While I can understand why some of the people here are 100% on Van's side, I think closing themselves off to even the idea of Heinz being a good person, making up stuff to convince themselves that everything he does is somehow evil, just prevents them from fully enjoying this story.

 

[Bladist]

I definitely think its the author's intent to show that Heins isn't a bad person. The tragedy of it all is that despite that, conflict between him and Van is inevitable.

While I can understand why some of the people here are 100% on Van's side, I think closing themselves off to even the idea of Heinz being a good person, making up stuff to convince themselves that everything he does is somehow evil, just prevents them from fully enjoying this story.

You're right: Heinz isn't a bad person. In fact, he's downright decent. If any of us met a guy like him on the street (and weren't introverts or otherwise easily turned off by people) we'd warm up to him pretty quickly.

The problem is that this isn't our story, or even his; it's Van's. Van, who has a legitimate and justified reason to want revenge. Van, who could probably make up with Heinz if the latter truly apologized and tried to work together with the former on making things better for Van's subordinates/family and Vida's races.

But that unfortunately can't happen for one big reason: the only people around Heinz for him to listen to are people who listen to the people who listen to the people who listen to the people solely responsible for this situation (Alda, Bellwood & Rodcorte). It would take a pretty big event to upheave Heinz's entire faith and Van's Mental Corruption and get them into the same place and of a mind to talk things out without ignoring the other's views, and the way the story's written there's nothing that can facilitate that before Heinz drinks the Kool-Aid and becomes a legitimate antagonist to Van. I dunno, Fitun certainly didn't. Maybe Asakura could.

 

[GreC_89]

You're right: Heinz isn't a bad person. In fact, he's downright decent. If any of us met a guy like him on the street (and weren't introverts or otherwise easily turned off by people) we'd warm up to him pretty quickly.

The problem is that this isn't our story, or even his; it's Van's. Van, who has a legitimate and justified reason to want revenge. Van, who could probably make up with Heinz if the latter truly apologized and tried to work together with the former on making things better for Van's subordinates/family and Vida's races.

But that unfortunately can't happen for one big reason: the only people around Heinz for him to listen to are people who listen to the people who listen to the people who listen to the people solely responsible for this situation (Alda, Bellwood & Rodcorte). It would take a pretty big event to upheave Heinz's entire faith and Van's Mental Corruption and get them into the same place and of a mind to talk things out without ignoring the other's views, and the way the story's written there's nothing that can facilitate that before Heinz drinks the Kool-Aid and becomes a legitimate antagonist to Van. I dunno, Fitun certainly didn't. Maybe Asakura could.

In a 'Normal' World he do will be decent person, but this world all but normal. Its dying world, divided, full of corruption (internal and external). There need for visionary and revolutionary, not for cookie-cuter hero.
Another problem that he working similar like a spokesperson for a corrupt government, can say only written BS that higher-ups wrote for public (and believe in it) but public see BS and questioned back.
Only thing i disagree, probably because i read novel, that Van Can forgive Heinz. I think that the moment with Priest and Spear show up how insane and angry Van is. He too irrational to simply forgive him. And Van himself became aware of it.
As for 'event' it need to be on the same scale as Darcia's torture. Due to it instigated by vampires its second biggest F* you that evil gods given to Alda (first sealing Bellwood, by a different god), breaking his most treasured puppet (carefully prepared vessel for Bellwood) by opening his eyes to reality. Sadly not enough. If he could witness which measures Alda undertook in final battle.
Asakura???

I definitely think its the author's intent to show that Heins isn't a bad person. The tragedy of it all is that despite that, conflict between him and Van is inevitable.

While I can understand why some of the people here are 100% on Van's side, I think closing themselves off to even the idea of Heinz being a good person, making up stuff to convince themselves that everything he does is somehow evil, just prevents them from fully enjoying this story.

The intention is there. The fact that there is such discussions about Heinz (and divided to such extent) shows that author followed in right direction. Unfortunately there something missing there. Some kind 'secret ingredient' that prevent him to join the rest of proper characters. Like he under cooked. I blame author inability/lack of skill to properly convey what is Heinz is. In fact other enemies, despite being simple, is understandable and working great.
Probably similar problem with modern western villains, trying make them 'relatable'.

 

[Bladist]

Asakura???

Braver dude who was secretly working against the Bravers and Amamiya on Origin. His name started with an 'R', I believe. Rikudou or something. Around the time I stopped reading, the prevalent theory was that he was going to be the real main big bad guy for Van, rather than Alda, Heinz or Bellwood.

 

[GreC_89]

Braver dude who was secretly working against the Bravers and Amamiya on Origin. His name started with an 'R', I believe. Rikudou or something. Around the time I stopped reading, the prevalent theory was that he was going to be the real main big bad guy for Van, rather than Alda, Heinz or Bellwood.

Rikudou Hijiri also known as Avalon. He not only failed to unite this two, battle conclusion divided them even further. Fun fact there was some intention from Heinz to end this feud. Not a smartest idea, but its his own.
The first braver was come to my mind was Minami Asagi aka Mage Masher, so i having J Jonah Jameson reaction.
Heinz and Alda are perfectly themed Last Boss for Van and in general, even if in retrospect. His main motivation is "Living Happily with Warm Family" and that impossible as long as Heinz (for him) and Alda (for his family) alive. Then there interesting twist that in that to win that battle he need to accept his true nature (Riden vs Monsoon ) that he denied and run away all this time.