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Mangadex is piracy, full stop. There's less than 1% of works that are self published here. Your follow up comment also holds significantly less water when your comment history is full of works that have official translations. There is no moral high ground on using this site we're pirates and I'm tired of people trying to pretend like we're in the right for it.


This is what we call 'subjective' rather than 'objective'. I see you dont know the difference between the two yet? And as a result, you have mistaken your 'opinion' for an actual objective fact.

Maybe some users such as yourself were under that same faulty assumption. But allow me to correct you. ❤️

Mangadex doesn't translate anything. Nor do they upload anything. People like you do that. Mangadex is just hosting it, and has rules to try and keep this within reason. That is why, for instance, it does not allow RAWS.

Meanwhile, we have a lot of people who have been uploading raws. And even official English raws. Unfortunately, these degens are what have caused all this to happen.

So mangadex is not 'full piracy' or even 'half piracy'. Full stop (to use your silly bullshit phrasing).

Did saying 'full stop' make me seem cooler? Cuz if not, it probably wasnt working for you either. 😅🤣😂
 
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This is what we call 'subjective' rather than 'objective'. I see you dont know the difference between the two yet? And as a result, you have mistaken your 'opinion' for an actual objective fact.

Maybe some users such as yourself were under that same faulty assumption. But allow me to correct you. ❤️

Mangadex doesn't translate anything. Nor do they upload anything. People like you do that. Mangadex is just hosting it, and has rules to try and keep this within reason. That is why, for instance, it does not allow RAWS.

Meanwhile, we have a lot of people who have been uploading raws. And even official English raws. Unfortunately, these degens are what have caused all this to happen.

So mangadex is not 'full piracy' or even 'half piracy'. Full stop (to use your silly bullshit phrasing).

Did saying 'full stop' make me seem cooler? Cuz if not, it probably wasnt working for you either. 😅🤣😂
I mean you are objectively wrong.
 
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For the law piracy has two meanings:

1 - Illegal acts of violence, detention, or plunder committed on the high seas or in places outside a state's jurisdiction for private gain, typically by individuals or private groups.

2 - Unauthorized copying, distribution, or use of copyrighted works, such as software, films, or music, often in violation of copyright laws.

Second one is literally what Mangadex and any other manga site does.

There's literally no maybes, buts or ifs, Mangadex is a piracy site, period, anyone arguing otherwise simply doesn't know how the law works or is trolling.

There's literally not even one single argument in this dimension that you could use in front of a judge and it would work to say otherwise.
 
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I mean you are objectively wrong.
I mean,the same thing happens on youtube.

People upload illegal videos and songs there as well. Same situation.

So no, its not me being objectively wrong.

That was a cute gotcha moment you tried to pull off tho!
 
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For the law piracy has two meanings:

1 - Illegal acts of violence, detention, or plunder committed on the high seas or in places outside a state's jurisdiction for private gain, typically by individuals or private groups.

2 - Unauthorized copying, distribution, or use of copyrighted works, such as software, films, or music, often in violation of copyright laws.

Second one is literally what Mangadex and any other manga site does.

There's literally no maybes, buts or ifs, Mangadex is a piracy site, period, anyone arguing otherwise simply doesn't know how the law works or is trolling.

There's literally not even one single argument in this dimension that you could use in front of a judge and it would work to say otherwise.
No, because Mangadex doesnt translate it or upload it.

lol. Its literally what I said. Its a Youtube situation. You could make the case that Mangadex exists solely for the purpose of hosting pirated material.

But...you would actually have to argue that. Which you didnt do there...

Andddd if you did make that argument...I would point to the takedown compliance leaving your argument looking pretty sus.

I mean, in the end you guys can cry and scream all you want. The mods did what they had to do to keep the site up.

People like you are really more of a distraction from the real discussion. Which is...where do we go from here.
 
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People like you are really more of a distraction from the real discussion. Which is...where do we go from here.

I'm not sure about "we" but I'm curious about the direction that mangadex actually seems to be following, it's really hard to tell what are they trying to achieve. All the terms&policies updates, officially acknowledging that the site is owned&managed by their official company, opening itself widely to the DMCA notices, all the stuff about using uploaded content for various reasons, there's even stuff about granting mangadex right to translate uploads.
I really don't get what all of this is trying to achieve, they don't seem to be trying to stay a "fan-translated without copyright holders permission" user upload site. I don't really believe a site like that can be between operating within the laws and removing the content and actually claiming to be a scanlator friendly site.
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Imagine that even assuming someone translates a twitter/web manga something like that and they asked the author for permission to translate their manga and upload it, which is a pretty cool thing to do, but this? Do we go to the author and ask for all of those permissions just to be able to upload on mangadex? Why do a site like mangadex needs all of this. At least the fully commited to the piracy sites don't try doing stuff like that.
 
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I'm not sure about "we" but I'm curious about the direction that mangadex actually seems to be following, it's really hard to tell what are they trying to achieve. All the terms&policies updates, officially acknowledging that the site is owned&managed by their official company, opening itself widely to the DMCA notices, all the stuff about using uploaded content for various reasons, there's even stuff about granting mangadex right to translate uploads.
I really don't get what all of this is trying to achieve, they don't seem to be trying to stay a "fan-translated without copyright holders permission" user upload site. I don't really believe a site like that can be between operating within the laws and removing the content and actually claiming to be a scanlator friendly site.
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Imagine that even assuming someone translates a twitter/web manga something like that and they asked the author for permission to translate their manga and upload it, which is a pretty cool thing to do, but this? Do we go to the author and ask for all of those permissions just to be able to upload on mangadex? Why do a site like mangadex needs all of this. At least the fully commited to the piracy sites don't try doing stuff like that.
Its not difficult.

They are trying to keep the site up and protect themselves from legal action.

After all, there are still legal uploaders here. Not everything is piracy like that one dude was saying. We even have fan doujinshis and all original mangas uploaded by the artists/author. Also, we have free manga listed here by the publisher, where the links take you to their own website.

So why should the whole fucking site die on this hill for a bunch of pirated translations? Thats really dumb.

Yes some stuff is gone. But so what? The forums and userbase are unaffected, and our legal manga are still safe.
 
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Its not difficult.

They are trying to keep the site up and protect themselves from legal action.

After all, there are still legal uploaders here. Not everything is piracy like that one dude was saying. We even have fan doujinshis and all original mangas uploaded by the artists/author. Also, we have free manga listed here by the publisher, where the links take you to their own website.

So why should the whole fucking site die on this hill for a bunch of pirated translations? Thats really dumb.

Yes some stuff is gone. But so what? The forums and userbase are unaffected, and our legal manga are still safe.
How is demanding all those things from 2.3 actually protecting the site? Sure I get the "user at fault" model where they have in the terms that you pinky promise you have permissions, but 2.3 and all other stuff in terms&services of similar or other nature? They don't need to demand a right to use the uploaded content as they want forever.
So why should the whole fucking site die on this hill for a bunch of pirated translations? Thats really dumb.
So the site that was created specifically for uploading scanlations is now abandoning them to save itself for some actually uploaded with permission content?
The amount of that actually legal stuff is so small compared to the rest and what actually users want from mangadex. So mangadex will empty out from all stuff that's uploaded without permission and just that small part you mention will remain?
What will be the actual value of mangadex if that happens, everyone will just move to other site that hosts scanlations/pirated officials. And indies and western people have webtoons, twitter or even nc if they please.
 
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How is demanding all those things from 2.3 actually protecting the site? Sure I get the "user at fault" model where they have in the terms that you pinky promise you have permissions, but 2.3 and all other stuff in terms&services of similar or other nature? They don't need to demand a right to use the uploaded content as they want forever.

So the site that was created specifically for uploading scanlations is now abandoning them to save itself for some actually uploaded with permission content?
The amount of that actually legal stuff is so small compared to the rest and what actually users want from mangadex. So mangadex will empty out from all stuff that's uploaded without permission and just that small part you mention will remain?
What will be the actual value of mangadex if that happens, everyone will just move to other site that hosts scanlations/pirated officials. And indies and western people have webtoons, twitter or even nc if they please.
Because 2.3 ensures that the uploader cant come back on MD and say "I didnt give you permission to cache, or xyz other ways of displaying or storing it".

A lot of hosting sites have similar language. Some games too...

A lot of you guys are getting fixated on stupid stuff. Like if you were cool about pirating stuff, why would you worry that mangadex added the 2.3 clause to their terms?

Like what? You were cool with uploading other peoples material with no rights at all...but granting mangadex indemnity for the upload is suspicious?

Lol. You guys are too much...😅🤣
 
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So the site that was created specifically for uploading scanlations is now abandoning them to save itself for some actually uploaded with permission content?
The amount of that actually legal stuff is so small compared to the rest and what actually users want from mangadex. So mangadex will empty out from all stuff that's uploaded without permission and just that small part you mention will remain?
What will be the actual value of mangadex if that happens, everyone will just move to other site that hosts scanlations/pirated officials. And indies and western people have webtoons, twitter or even nc if they please.

Yeah. And they should abandon it.

Would you have been happier if the whole site tanked? How would that be better?

All of you who are endlessly bitching about this need to grow up.

And maybe...get on google and search else-where for it. Theres a million piracy sites out there that probably have all the removed titles. You guys are unreal...
 
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Yeah. And they should abandon it.

Would you have been happier if the whole site tanked? How would that be better?

All of you who are endlessly bitching about this need to grow up.

And maybe...get on google and search else-where for it. Theres a million piracy sites out there that probably have all the removed titles. You guys are unreal...

This as in what?

Also I don't get your attitude, why are you answering if you're not caring about the discussion? "Haha lol doesn't matter", I mean sure, not sure why you waste your time on answering.

For me one thing I'm just curious, and second just because other websites for upload have similar terms doesn't mean md having them is doing something good, they were always the "high moral horse" of manga piracy, and some users be it from the scanlator side or reader just want to know what's the future for the site.
 
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This as in what?

Also I don't get your attitude, why are you answering if you're not caring about the discussion? "Haha lol doesn't matter", I mean sure, not sure why you waste your time on answering.

For me one thing I'm just curious, and second just because other websites for upload have similar terms doesn't mean md having them is doing something good, they were always the "high moral horse" of manga piracy, and some users be it from the scanlator side or reader just want to know what's the future for the site.

Who said I dont care? I clearly have advocated for the sites wellbeing, and support the mods and site staff in their decision. That has been clear in ALL my posts.

No where did I say it doesn't matter.

You guys are just saying some really stupid shit. When it comes down to the nitty gritty truth...the people running this site are the ones with their necks on the chopping block over all this. Not you.
 
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But didn't you say that mangadex is not doing anything wrong, it's just an upload site, just like youtube so it's not piracy and not in violation of any related laws? What are they being afraid of then.

(just youtube is being hit with lawsuits over copyright violations and not removing enough pirated content all the time and they have overly aggressive automated systems for that).
 
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But didn't you say that mangadex is not doing anything wrong, it's just an upload site, just like youtube so it's not piracy and not in violation of any related laws? What are they being afraid of then.

(just youtube is being hit with lawsuits over copyright violations and not removing enough pirated content all the time and they have overly aggressive automated systems for that).

Because youtube is expected to obey lawful takedown requests, obviously.

Duh.

Is it making sense now? If youtube refuses the takedown request, then the copyright holder would have grounds to sue in a court of law and seek damages.

Im not sure how you thought that was a flaw or a loophole in my logic. You really dont even make any sense...

There are a lot of other precedent based cases that exist for this situation. Perhaps the most notable is Napster.

Napster was a file sharing service that was frequently used to trade illegal pirated music files between users.

In 2000, the American musical recording company A&M Records along with several other recording companies, through the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), sued Napster (A&M Records, Inc. v. Napster, Inc.) on grounds of contributory and vicarious copyright infringement under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Napster was faced with the following allegations from the music industry:

1.) That its users were directly violating the plaintiffs' copyrights.

2.) That Napster was responsible for contributory infringement of the plaintiff's copyrights.

3.) That Napster was responsible for the vicarious infringement of the plaintiff's copyrights.

Napster lost the case in the District Court but then appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

Although it was clear that Napster could have commercially significant non-infringing uses, the Ninth Circuit upheld the District Court's decision. Immediately after, the District Court commanded Napster to keep track of the activities of its network and to restrict access to infringing material when informed of that material's location. Napster wasn't able to comply and thus had to close down its service in July 2001. In 2002, Napster announced that it had filed for bankruptcy and sold its assets to a third party.

But again, Napster shut down because they could not comply with the court order, specifically, "to keep track of the activities of its network and to restrict access to infringing material when informed of that material's location."

Is it ringing through to you yet? Unlike Napster, Mangadex can keep track of its users and material and follow take down requests. And thats what its going to do in regards to obeying the take down requests.
 
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Because youtube is expected to obey lawful takedown requests, obviously.

Duh.

Is it making sense now? If youtube refuses the takedown request, then the copyright holder would have grounds to sue in a court of law and seek damages.

Im not sure how you thought that was a flaw or a loophole in my logic. You really dont even make any sense...

There are a lot of other precedent based cases that exist for this situation. Perhaps the most notable is Napster.

Napster was a file sharing service that was frequently used to trade illegal pirated music files between users.

In 2000, the American musical recording company A&M Records along with several other recording companies, through the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), sued Napster (A&M Records, Inc. v. Napster, Inc.) on grounds of contributory and vicarious copyright infringement under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Napster was faced with the following allegations from the music industry:

1.) That its users were directly violating the plaintiffs' copyrights.

2.) That Napster was responsible for contributory infringement of the plaintiff's copyrights.

3.) That Napster was responsible for the vicarious infringement of the plaintiff's copyrights.

Napster lost the case in the District Court but then appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

Although it was clear that Napster could have commercially significant non-infringing uses, the Ninth Circuit upheld the District Court's decision. Immediately after, the District Court commanded Napster to keep track of the activities of its network and to restrict access to infringing material when informed of that material's location. Napster wasn't able to comply and thus had to close down its service in July 2001. In 2002, Napster announced that it had filed for bankruptcy and sold its assets to a third party.

But again, Napster shut down because they could not comply with the court order, specifically, "to keep track of the activities of its network and to restrict access to infringing material when informed of that material's location."

Is it ringing through to you yet? Unlike Napster, Mangadex can keep track of its users and material and follow take down requests. And thats what its going to do in regards to obeying the take down requests.
Napster shut down because they had to file for bankruptcy due to their settlement being shut down not because they couldn't comply with the court orders. But clearly reading comprehension hasn't been your strength in this thread so I expect it what isn't outside of it
 
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I mean,the same thing happens on youtube.

People upload illegal videos and songs there as well. Same situation.

So no, its not me being objectively wrong.

That was a cute gotcha moment you tried to pull off tho!
except the whole point of this site is to host material that was at best in a copyright grey area. youtube has always been about personal video hosting, hence the "you" in youtube. it's no different from a site that host anime tranlations.
 
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except the whole point of this site is to host material that was at best in a copyright grey area. youtube has always been about personal video hosting, hence the "you" in youtube. it's no different from a site that host anime tranlations.

Because its no longer a copyright grey area. Thats the whole point of this thread.

Thats what a DMCA takedown IS! 🤣

What you guys are actually arguing for is this:

"The Mangadex site staff should go to jail or get sued into bankruptcy court so that we can continue to read free manga! ((until the entire site also gets wiped due to the aforementioned jail and/or bankruptcy))"

Im sure Rich wants to go to jail so you can keep reading free manga. Because you reading free manga is whats REALLY important here, right? Not the wellbeing of the site or the staff who maintains it, but your own personal desires. 😅

You guys are too unreal. You all sound like a bunch of self-indulgent weenies with this stuff. Grow up!
 
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Napster shut down because they had to file for bankruptcy due to their settlement being shut down not because they couldn't comply with the court orders. But clearly reading comprehension hasn't been your strength in this thread so I expect it what isn't outside of it
Ehhhhhh!

Wrong!

"On July 11, 2001, Napster was ordered to shut down its service and pay $26 million in damages to the record labels. The company was also required to implement a filtering system to prevent users from sharing copyrighted material. However, Napster was unable to comply with the court’s orders, and the service was eventually shut down."

https://softhandtech.com/why-did-napster-shut-down/

"David Boies, who’s getting more accustomed to legal surrender these days than he’d probably like, announced in Judge Marilyn Patel’s courtroom Friday that Napster would this weekend install a “filter” designed to prevent users from downloading any of the 6,500 infringed-by-Napster-users songs that the Recording Industry of America has been kind enough to provide. Negotiations will continue next week, but the war would seem to be over."

https://time.com/archive/6917834/the-end-of-napster-as-we-know-it/

"In July 2000, a federal judge ruled in favor of the RIAA and ordered Napster to prevent the sharing of copyrighted material on its platform. The company attempted to comply with the order by implementing a filtering system, but this proved to be ineffective in stopping the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted music. In February 2001, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the earlier ruling, and Napster was forced to shut down its service in July 2001."

https://www.ishoresoftware.com/the-...ption-legal-struggles-and-its-lasting-legacy/

Looks like its not MY reading comprehension thats the problem here! 😂

Maybe fix yours before you worry about mine.
 
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This whole argument sounds inane, in any case, I don't think it was reasonable to expect them to have announced the DMCA in advance, though perhaps the fact they did it before the site's first large DMCA takedown happened years ago set expectations in some people's eyes. Even the predecessor site to mangadex took down chapters and series that they got DMCAs for, just back then the site wasn't blitzed like this, though I believe they did used to maintain an official forum thread of what series got DMCAed after the fact, it wasn't left to the users to figure it out themselves.
 

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