Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi o Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 42 - The Uprising of the Nosey Girls

[story645]

I'm not seeing what he's done that's caused harm really

So the festival didn't need to go down as it did - he was worried about going to the festival b/c he was afraid of running into Aya (ch 19) but decided on hope instead of giving Hikari a heads up of potential drama at the thing she invited him to. ETA: also he is Hikari's oldest friend and he's actively being evasive about a super important part of his life. While he has the right to keep it private, it's also super understandable that she's hurt. She sees it as him not trusting her, even if that's not his intent. But also as her friend he should know that hiding a major secret from her is gonna hurt. I don't think there's an easy resolution here though.

With Aya, man I have written whole essays on why I think their ship was toxic, but the tldr there is that everything in her crash out were all problems present in their relationship. Yuu doesn't know her all that well because he didn't really try to get to know her, the only initiative he took was a half baked fireworks plan he only turned into a real plan after she didnt respond, he never was able to make her feel secure that he really liked her more than Hikari. And like she communicated all these things passive aggressivly and Yuu even kinda picks up on it but he's insecure so he decides he's imagining it/overthinking it instead of doing the hard thing of forcing a conversation with Aya that could lead to her dumping him. And yes this doesn't absolve Aya of playing the very stupid game of pretending she wasn't in that deep.

 

[epicfail48]

Yuu is untrustworthy for not telling Hikari he dated her best friend for six months. I'd love the arc where Hikari dates Yuu's best friend for six months without telling him, closest is her being friends with Aya but she told Yuu all about Aya-chan.


The "crazy chick" he slept w/ after knowing for like 2hrs at most and never bothered to learn anything about? Or the "crazy chick" who he confessed to w/o telling her he dated her best friend? Like I don't think he should be condemned or anything as this is bog standard immaturity, but Yuu is every bit as responsible for this mess as Hikari and Aya, if not more so.

...good lord some of yall are dense. Did you forget about how Yuu didnt know Yami was still around, let alone Hikaris friend, until literally the argument everybody is freaking out about? Yall need some basic reading comprehension, seriously

 

[awtystic]

Hmmmm....totally unexpected maruto is plotting something feels like author is going low at first then slowly building up sumn again this chapter feels like a light hearted comic relief from all the grim uncomfortable feeling this manga has given us since ch21

 

[IotaCS]

So the festival didn't need to go down as it did - he was worried about going to the festival b/c he was afraid of running into Aya (ch 19) but decided on hope instead of giving Hikari a heads up of potential drama at the thing she invited him to.

Yeah I just reread ch19 and I can see that. He was pretty evasive, but I can also sort of understand why. It would be a bit of a bombshell for him to suddenly go "yeah I used to date somebody at your school" when iirc she's under the impression that he's never had a girlfriend. I guess he was banking on Aya not being there, since he thought she'd quit school.

As for his relationship with Aya, Yuu is certainly not blameless but in my opinion her actions were far worse and were quite likely to cause him to spiral even more. Most of his issues/shortcomings there were caused by the same insecurity and overthinking that's been going on with him the whole series, along with inexperience and being totally unprepared for a relationship. Realistically he needs to do some serious work on himself before he's ready for a relationship with anybody (a lesson I wish I'd learned earlier). Actually, that applies to all 3 of them.

Overall I'm not trying to say that Yuu is without his flaws, I just take issue with the way that certain people in the forums use those insecurities to paint him as a piece of shit. Like I said in the comment you replied to, the only thing he's done that I think is actually inexcusable is not telling Hikari about Aya at the festival after he ran into her again, and just confessing like nothing happened. Other than that, I can understand what leads to most of his actions, probably because I was in a similarly fucked mental state as a teenager.

Edit: also just as a sidenote, in that other comment I was talking about Yuu's thoughts and actions in the 'bonus' chapters, since the person I was replying to said that those chapters show how much he sucks. I don't disagree that he's a very flawed character overall, I'm just saying that those flaws don't make him an inherently bad person. Aya on the other hand... only a real piece of shit would even consider doing what she tried to pull on Hikari when they first met.

 

[halcer]

here we go again

 

[noleafclover75]

Yeah I just reread ch19 and I can see that. He was pretty evasive, but I can also sort of understand why. It would be a bit of a bombshell for him to suddenly go "yeah I used to date somebody at your school" when iirc she's under the impression that he's never had a girlfriend. I guess he was banking on Aya not being there, since he thought she'd quit school.

As for his relationship with Aya, Yuu is certainly not blameless but in my opinion her actions were far worse and were quite likely to cause him to spiral even more. Most of his issues/shortcomings there were caused by the same insecurity and overthinking that's been going on with him the whole series, along with inexperience and being totally unprepared for a relationship. Realistically he needs to do some serious work on himself before he's ready for a relationship with anybody (a lesson I wish I'd learned earlier). Actually, that applies to all 3 of them.

Overall I'm not trying to say that Yuu is without his flaws, I just take issue with the way that certain people in the forums use those insecurities to paint him as a piece of shit. Like I said in the comment you replied to, the only thing he's done that I think is actually inexcusable is not telling Hikari about Aya at the festival after he ran into her again, and just confessing like nothing happened. Other than that, I can understand what leads to most of his actions, probably because I was in a similarly fucked mental state as a teenager.

Yuu is a piece of shit and the many times he could have improved himself he has not. He's worthless. The only thing he is proving is that he will be worthless in long term relationships as well. He has yet to prove that he can change.

He has 0 redeeming qualties and he has proven that he makes bad decisions. He constantly procrastinates to the point of it being too late.

I can't even think of a good choice he has made at any point in this story. We are 40+ chapters in with no growth at all.

Yami is also a complete piece of shit, for many reasons.

Hikari is dumb because she is too forgiving, who lets someone whore them out on a sugar daddy app and then becomes their best friend shortly after.

This whole story is retarded.

 

[idk234]

that was a long wait...

 

[IotaCS]

Yuu is a piece of shit and the many times he could have improved himself he has not. He's worthless. The only thing he is proving is that he will be worthless in long term relationships as well. He has yet to prove that he can change.

He has 0 redeeming qualties and he has proven that he makes bad decisions. He constantly procrastinates to the point of it being too late.

I can't even think of a good choice he has made at any point in this story. We are 40+ chapters in with no growth at all.

Yami is also a complete piece of shit, for many reasons.

Hikari is dumb because she is too forgiving, who lets someone whore them out on a sugar daddy app and then becomes their best friend shortly after.

This whole story is retarded.

This is the exact type of response I keep seeing on this series. Not a single point addressed, not a single actual justification for why he's a piece of shit, and absolutely no attempt to actually understand the character. Just "because I said so". That is retard logic.

Your last sentence is true though, this story is dumb as fuck. The forum threads are much more fun.

 

[KaiserBeo]

Aww yeah new chapter new PvP at long last. It's been... what? 3 months?

Story so booty the chapter that ends the drought starts with booty. You love to see it. Oh well. Let's see where this goes.

 

[HellJester]

...good lord some of yall are dense. Did you forget about how Yuu didnt know Yami was still around, let alone Hikaris friend, until literally the argument everybody is freaking out about? Yall need some basic reading comprehension, seriously

This topic has been debated to death in previous chapter posts but I'll tl:dr it here.

Yes, Yuu did not find out that the person he knew as Yami senpai was the same person Hikari was telling him about (Aya-chan) until his confrontation with Yami in the classroom during the festival. Yami hit Yuu with a lot of information during that confrontation. It's understandable that Yuu would be hesitant to mention to Hikari that he used to date her best friend as he wants Hikari to accept his confession.

I think the big sticking point is that people are arguing that Yuu shouldn't have confessed right then, instead he should have told Hikari what was going on. Something like "Hikari, I just found out that the person I used to date is your friend Aya-chan. I didn't know the two of you were friends and I don't want to make things awkward." <--However that scenario is not realistic due to how we've seen Yuu behave in the past.

The best moment to tell her would have been when Yuu left the classroom and found Hikari. We get from Yuu's POV that he realized something was wrong with the way Hikari was acting but he decided to ignore that and just barrel ahead with his confession.

Yeah I just reread ch19 and I can see that. He was pretty evasive, but I can also sort of understand why. It would be a bit of a bombshell for him to suddenly go "yeah I used to date somebody at your school" when iirc she's under the impression that he's never had a girlfriend. I guess he was banking on Aya not being there, since he thought she'd quit school.

As for his relationship with Aya, Yuu is certainly not blameless but in my opinion her actions were far worse and were quite likely to cause him to spiral even more. Most of his issues/shortcomings there were caused by the same insecurity and overthinking that's been going on with him the whole series, along with inexperience and being totally unprepared for a relationship. Realistically he needs to do some serious work on himself before he's ready for a relationship with anybody (a lesson I wish I'd learned earlier). Actually, that applies to all 3 of them.

Overall I'm not trying to say that Yuu is without his flaws, I just take issue with the way that certain people in the forums use those insecurities to paint him as a piece of shit. Like I said in the comment you replied to, the only thing he's done that I think is actually inexcusable is not telling Hikari about Aya at the festival after he ran into her again, and just confessing like nothing happened. Other than that, I can understand what leads to most of his actions, probably because I was in a similarly fucked mental state as a teenager.

Edit: also just as a sidenote, in that other comment I was talking about Yuu's thoughts and actions in the 'bonus' chapters, since the person I was replying to said that those chapters show how much he sucks. I don't disagree that he's a very flawed character overall, I'm just saying that those flaws don't make him an inherently bad person. Aya on the other hand... only a real piece of shit would even consider doing what she tried to pull on Hikari when they first met.

Can't speak for others just myself but I will say my dislike of Yuu comes from the following:

1) He's liked Hikari romantically for a long time but the only effort we're shown is him half-heartedly attempting to get into her high school. Yuu admits it's too late for him to succeed but he needs to try. It left me with the impression that his love for Hikari must not be that strong as he doesn't seem to put much effort in.

2) Once Yuu inevitably fails, he near immediately ends up going to a love hotel with Yami. It's off-putting to hear him talk about how much he loves Hikari but then go for the first girl who shows him any interest. He appears disingenuous.

3) After all of that, when he does end up confessing to Hikari he gives her a whole spiel about how he's always been in love with her. I don't doubt that he has been in love with her and I don't fault him for stating that since there's no way he could know that Hikari witnessed Yami kissing him. However, knowing what we know and knowing what Hikari knows, his confession of always loving her comes off as insincere given how we're only shown two times he's made an effort (trying to get into her school and then this confession) and how quickly he moved on from trying to get Hikari to the literal first girl who came next.

Now, I understand where all y'all are coming from when you discuss Yuu's flaws and his insecurities. I can sympathize with him a bit as I, too, was like that when I was a teenage boy. It's just frustrating to root for the guy when even Yami put more effort into pursuing Yuu than Yuu did pursuing Hikari.

In this manga, we've seen Aya improve from when she first met Hikari. She was going back to school and had made good friends with Hikari, Haru & Yuki. Up until the festival confrontation with Yuu, Aya was showing growth.

We've seen Hikari grow as she came to terms with her feelings for Yuu. We saw her try to pursue Yuu even though a lot of her efforts were for naught. We saw a bit of emotional maturity as she confronted Aya and defended Yuu to her.

We haven't really seen Yuu make much growth as a character. He didn't really learn anything from his pursuit of Hikari. He didn't really learn anything from his relationship with Aya. He did seem to finally start noticing Hikari's actions but even with that he mentions he wasn't 100% sure she liked him and admits he wasn't going to confess unless he was at 100%.

Again, it's just hard to like the guy when you see everyone else putting in more effort. Hell, Haru & Yuki put in more effort by skipping class and tracking Yuu down. They were willing to show up to his school to find him, something Yuu wanted to do to find Yami but chickened out. Even Seki (who in Chapter 12.5 states to her friend that she doesn't even really like Yuu) put in more effort to pursue him than Yuu ever did for the girl he confessed to always love.

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Honestly after reading those, I disagree with your interpretation. Your summary and your insights section on each chapter just seem like you're deliberately going with the worst possible interpretation of what Yuu says at all times - which actually tracks with the comments I've seen from you while lurking this series. He seems extremely normal for somebody who's spiraling like that emotionally, and I personally feel like those chapters made him slightly sympathetic if anything. It seems like you'd already made up your mind about him being a terrible person before even reading them.

Maybe you just need to have been in a similar place emotionally to understand it - zero self worth or confidence, a degree of isolation from an inability to form proper relationships, frustration at your repeated failures and the utter conviction that the person you like could never be into somebody like you. All of that adds up, and him giving in and going with Yami when she showed up right when he'd hit rock bottom and given up on Hikari makes total sense considering all of that. At that point most people will take just about any form of intimacy they can - he even expresses his insecurity about Yami just seeing it as a casual thing, showing that it wasn't just about getting laid for him.

From my perspective the only part he can truly be blamed for is not telling Hikari about his relationship with Yami once he knew they were friends. That part is still kind of understandable given what we learn about him from those chapters, just not excusable.

I agree tbh

I quite like Litreara but I think they are a little unreasonable and pretty unsympathetic about Yuu sometimes

He's got his flaws for sure and absolutely made mistakes but expecting a kid/teen to be put together emotionally and to be able to handle this shit well is wild lol

This doesn't mean he's not responsible for his actions, of course though

 

[story645]

Did you forget about how Yuu didnt know Yami was still around, let alone Hikaris friend, until literally the argument everybody is freaking out about?

In chapter 19 he wavers on accepting Hikari's invitation b/c he's worried Aya might be at the school. He didn't think it was probable sure, but he knew there was a chance of drama going down at the festival and didn't give Hikari a heads up.

He was pretty evasive, but I can also sort of understand why

Totally understand it - it's absolutely mortifying to tell your crush about your ex, especially when you idolize said crush and the ex let you think it was a situationship. That's the point right? It's totally understandable and also the right thing to do would have been to do the hard thing of giving Hikari a heads up.

but in my opinion her actions were far worse and were quite likely to cause him to spiral even more

His actions did cause her to spiral worse - all the way into convincing herself that ghosting him was the right move. Which again not to absolve her, I just think they really weren't all that good for each other.

Actually, that applies to all 3 of them

Same, like I very much would prefer the no relationship end. And I kinda think it's what Maruto is setting up - Yuu doesn't get a girl as the tragic consequence of his own actions, Hikari and Aya w/ a somewhat happy ending of repaired friendship.

that I think is actually inexcusable

Eh, I think his actions being understandable doesn't make them excusable. That's the whole agency/accountability drum I'm beating. And I think it's a good lesson in a manga/novel ostensibly aimed at teenagers b/c I think a lot of growing up is learning to own consequences.

only a real piece of shit would even consider doing what she tried to pull on Hikari when they first met

So to be fair to her, like you want folks to be fair to Yuu, she's not thinking all that far ahead. Not to excuse her behavior but she genuinely has been treating the whole paid dating thing as an edgelord joke - she hasn't gone on a date so these men are still abstract profiles to her. She's at least responsible enough to monitor her prank & jumps in immediately to save Hikari. Again her behavior is inexcusable, but it's every bit as understandable as all the stupid decisions Yuu makes.

 

[Tinker_OwO]

OH MY GOD BRUUHHHHH 3 MONTHS AND THEY JUST KEEP TICKLING MY BALLS I SWEARRRRRR TO FUCKING GOD

 

[emMeBi86]

Yuu is a piece of shit and the many times he could have improved himself he has not. He's worthless. The only thing he is proving is that he will be worthless in long term relationships as well. He has yet to prove that he can change.

He has 0 redeeming qualties and he has proven that he makes bad decisions. He constantly procrastinates to the point of it being too late.

I can't even think of a good choice he has made at any point in this story. We are 40+ chapters in with no growth at all.

Yami is also a complete piece of shit, for many reasons.

Hikari is dumb because she is too forgiving, who lets someone whore them out on a sugar daddy app and then becomes their best friend shortly after.

This whole story is retarded.

Well, to be fair everyone of the main trio hadn't grow up at all, not only Yuu. Hikari was a "recent Yuu" until now, being all evasive, not confessing and overthinking like he did in the past; and Aya started as a self-deprecating garbage person and she is still the same.

Maybe I'm spoiled by Blue Box, where every drama in the main couple is dealt in like two chapters max + they properly communicate between them (and in general all the characters seem mature), but here everyone is just going along with what's in their mind at that moment, not a single explanation / afterthought to anyone.
Take the two friends in this chapter, I get Hikari's heartbreak is heavy but instead of relying on them she ghosts them. Is that mature? Eeeeh...

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Yuu's actions are completely understandable & fit together into a very realistic characterizarion of a person most of us have probably met or been. Where the clash comes in is the arguments that seem to deny he's a character with agency - even if he has very good to him reasons for the things he did, that doesn't absolve him of the responsibility for the harm his actions have caused.

Aya and Hikari also have very good to them reasons for what they've done that caused harm, but I doubt anyone would seriously argue Aya did nothing wrong by ghosting or that Hikari shouldn't have shot herself in the foot by building up grand expectations about the "perfect confession". Hikari and Aya should have also been more honest w/ Yuu about their feelings, but their dishonesty doesn't absolve Yuu of responsibility for his.

Tldr: Actions being understandable doesn't negate responsibility for the fallout.

I think this is a very good way to put it

His actions and behavior being understandable DOESN'T make them completely acceptable it just means he's deserving of a chance to make things right/change for the better

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Also if this girl also has a crush on Yuu I'm gonna go ape shit

I think Yuu is a decent guy overall but FUCKING HELL

 

[story645]

, I get Hikari's heartbreak is heavy but instead of relying on them she ghosts them

I think she's maybe trying to protect Aya - it would be really hard to tell her friends what happened w/o Aya coming across as the villain.

 

[middle-the-nerd]

I think she's maybe trying to protect Aya - it would be really hard to tell her friends what happened w/o Aya coming across as the villain.

I mean Yuu may be an idiot for his fuck ups but Yami kissing Yuu KNOWING Hikari was there is pretty fucked up she'd honestly probably deserve the shit she'd get from them lol

 

[story645]

she'd honestly probably deserve the shit she'd get from them

Yes but Hikari loves her to an unhealthy co-dependent degree so 🙃

 

[UdenEmpati]

it looks like Yuu hadn't pre-planned to confess during the festival because he wasn't at 100%. Instead, it appears the confrontation with Yami was the motivation for Yuu to go ahead and confess. I'm wondering if to Hikari, having witnessed what happened between Yuu and Aya then hearing Yuu mention he felt he had to confess now, it looks like Yuu is feeling guilty and that's why he confessed.

I honestly think that's what made her fully crash out on him, in the end.
From Hikari's perspective, the boy she liked and her best friend--two people she had no inkling would know one another--were kissing during the time the boy said he'd be meeting up with her. That was after she'd texted him, got left on "read", and then when he does show up, he says "sorry I'm late my phone died."

And then when he actually confesses in the storeroom about having loved her since before middle school, she has to think "...then why were you kissing my best friend a little bit ago?" but she also presses him on his lack of confidence, why he never confessed if he did like her, questions his claim that she's "out of his league", and even nearly accepts the confession and moves in the for the kiss.

But that "I felt like it had to be today", with the context of what she saw earlier, probably made her think something like "....you not only knew but were kissing Aya-chan, and then you showed up late and lied to me about your phone, and now you're confessing you always loved me, but have never been 100% certain you were ready to confess but felt compelled to do it today of all days? what happened between you two that you're now here doing this to me?"

And she snapped, and from her perspective I would say justifiably so.