Chainsaw Man - Ch. 215 - Declaration of War

[luigiymario2]

Oh god, what is going on now? Please don't let Asa die...

 

[PhallusHydra]

Some freak out at getting a faint whiff of what this crazy mf dumped all over us in the last series.
Looking forward to the letting loose and getting diabolically silly with it until no one knows what they want anymore again.

 

[Erricane]

Dammit. Mom and dad are arguing again.

 

[fight2live]

eh, good warm ups before i go watch the Reze movie this weekend

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

This is so ass compared with part 1.
Can't believe people are still readin dis fuggin shid

It's a good way to weed out morons with shit taste like you

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

I'm still waiting for Nayuta appearing with a 4D chess move...

I would hate that. This is just about the only battle shonen where actual important characters can die at any point, bringing any of them back would be the same moronic, devoid-of-consequences, people-only-die-when-I-need-my-MC-to-have-a-training-arc-fueled-by-sadness kind of writing that makes stuff like one piece esentially a kiddie comic book.

At this point I'm just confused as fuck at anyone who has been reading this for the last 200 chapters and still expects that at some point the entire tone of the manga will shift by 180 and Denji will live happily ever after will all his friends who weren't really dead at all.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

On the other hand, Asa/Yoru is unable to regenerate and re-attach limbs.

At the very least, neither capacity was demonstrated-- Asa/Yoru stayed one-armed (then no-armed) until Yoru made gauntlets out of the Gun and Tank devils.

She got her head pierced by Falling in chapter 209 and healed that instantly. Ever since nukes came back she can heal as well as any primal.

 

[NotSomeone]

I would hate that. This is just about the only battle shonen where actual important characters can die at any point, bringing any of them back would be the same moronic, devoid-of-consequences, people-only-die-when-I-need-my-MC-to-have-a-training-arc-fueled-by-sadness kind of writing that makes stuff like one piece esentially a kiddie comic book.

At this point I'm just confused as fuck at anyone who has been reading this for the last 200 chapters and still expects that at some point the entire tone of the manga will shift by 180 and Denji will live happily ever after will all his friends who weren't really dead at all.

People are waiting for Nayuta to come back because her death was devoid of meaning. She was Denji's cute little sister yeah, but take the whole of part 2 there was nothing Nayuta did that meaned anything. You could have replaced her for a third dog at Denji's place.
Denji also does absolutely nothing. Things just happen to him and he has the agency of a wet fart. The story is not even a commentary about defeatism because Denji doesn't even seem to understand or care about what's going on.
Even the fights, most of the significant ones on part 2 were Pochita (Black CSM).

I get liking part two. It's not bad and it is entertaining, the problem is that it is so mediocre compared to part 1 that you can't help but feel like it's a waste of such good world building and characterization.

 

[ultrabread]

I like how the devils enjoy something often antithetical to their own power: Death enjoys living, Control wanted someone to be equal to, War seeks loves.

 

[AnotherRat]

AsaDen OneeShota????

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

People are waiting for Nayuta to come back because her death was devoid of meaning.
She was Denji's cute little sister yeah, but take the whole of part 2 there was nothing Nayuta did that meaned anything. You could have replaced her for a third dog at Denji's place.
Denji also does absolutely nothing. Things just happen to him and he has the agency of a wet fart. The story is not even a commentary about defeatism because Denji doesn't even seem to understand or care about what's going on.
Even the fights, most of the significant ones on part 2 were Pochita (Black CSM).

What you're advocating for is writing by the numbers. Characters only dying when it's optimal for the story, the hero constantly getting stronger, more mature and more in control of their own destiny, until finally they can beat the big bad at the end. It's predictable, artificial writing with zero-impact, but most importantly, there's a million manga like that, so maybe this one can try something different. I like that Power, Aki and now Nayuta were just offed in one panel with no warning. I don't need some sappy hamfisted meaning attached to their deaths because that's not how things work. I also find it refreshing that Denji doesn't follow the same character progression as fucking Naruto, him being a messed up and indecisive kid is not gonna go away and I'm fine with that.

I get liking part two. It's not bad and it is entertaining, the problem is that it is so mediocre compared to part 1 that you can't help but feel like it's a waste of such good world building and characterization.

I wholeheartedly disagree about there being any kind of significant drop off in quality. I also get not liking part 2 (although I'm convinced it's actually people not liking CSM in general apart from the fight scenes and darkness devil stuff), but I'm just losing patience with people insisting that this should be a more generic shonen. Like, my man, there's so many of those. Just go read jujutsu kaisen or whatever.

 

[NotSomeone]

What you're advocating for is writing by the numbers. Characters only dying when it's optimal for the story, the hero constantly getting stronger, more mature and more in control of their own destiny, until finally they can beat the big bad at the end. It's predictable, artificial writing with zero-impact, but most importantly, there's a million manga like that, so maybe this one can try something different. I like that Power, Aki and now Nayuta were just offed in one panel with no warning. I don't need some sappy hamfisted meaning attached to their deaths because that's not how things work. I also find it refreshing that Denji doesn't follow the same character progression as fucking Naruto, him being a messed up and indecisive kid is not gonna go away and I'm fine with that.

I wholeheartedly disagree about there being any kind of significant drop off in quality. I also get not liking part 2 (although I'm convinced it's actually people not liking CSM in general apart from the fight scenes and darkness devil stuff), but I'm just losing patience with people insisting that this should be a more generic shonen. Like, my man, there's so many of those. Just go read jujutsu kaisen or whatever.

I agree that being generic is bad for a story, but you should not mistake generic writing for good practice.
Even CSM part one is about human connections. Aki and Power become Denji's real family, something Denji initially sought in Makima. There's a meaning here, there's commentary, the author wants to talk about something, and he does through the story. And part 1 is not generic in how it approaches these themes.
Also, character development doesn't mean being better. For sure, Denji by the end of part 1 is a "better" person than at the start of part 1; he chooses to give Nayuta a family because he now understands (because of Aki and Power) how important that is. But you can have a character "developing" into a worse version of himself, part 2 could be about that: Denji's regression because of the horrible stuff happening to him (just as an example of "backwards" developing).

As for the characters dying without meaning, yeah, that happens in real life. That's also one of the reasons that real life kinda sucks.
It's one of the times where realism doesn't equal better. Like I said, stories are about something; if the things that happen in your story don't push forward your dialogue with the theme, then your story turns out kinda weak.
Even if your story is about the futility and the brutality of life and everything, then your character's actions and death should push forward that narrative, like City of God, for example.

What I described is actually the problem with many of these modern shonen, isekai, and manhwa slop.
They have no central theme, they don't talk about anything, they just exist to sell because younger guys like to read some self-insert power fantasy.
Anyway, I for sure don't want CSM to be another slopfest shonen... I just think that Fujimoto is better than what I am reading in Part 2. And if you don't think there's a drop in writing quality, that's ok, things like that are mostly subjective anyway.