Dungeon Gakuen no Teihen ni Tensei Shita kedo, Naze ka Ore ni wa Kouryaku Hon ga Aru - Vol. 2 Ch. 8

[MangaDex]

 

[Aono_kun]

Stat list says Level 10
Text says Level 20

So which is it?

 

[crystalmoose]

So which is it?

Honestly, that was my thought too. I am guessing it is probably level 10, since the previous pages implied the head of class A is a level 20 monster of a guy.

 

[razorshaleh]

easy counter attack by MC and MC farming harem again, she pretty btw

thank you for translating

 

[rphilly]

Is this one of those stories where you have job levels separate from total level? i.e. you start off as a lvl 1 Warrior, get to level 20, then promote into lvl 1 Soldier so your level is officially 21

 

[BobBob]

F for Youko getting bullied.

 

[brndndss]

they really blaming the 1 guy who actually won his fight against class C for their own constant failings? they deserve to stay at the bottom

 

[colorlesseatstomboys]

Hopefully the MC doesn't always remain passive and stay disconnected with others.

I didn't mind Avalon doing it but it sure as hell is frustrating since obviously the others are being shown often and hence ARE a part of the story.

 

[feha]

Uh, am I mixing up stories? Cause I thought this story said the mc was immune to magic due to some kind of evasion or resistance stat being at 100%. But in the fight he was clearly hurt by the magic?!?

 

[Tatsuya-Kai]

So which is it?

Probably uses multiclass mechanics, so your a level 5 fighter, 5 thief and 10 mage=20 kind of thing.

 

[Junomano]

Uh, am I mixing up stories? Cause I thought this story said the mc was immune to magic due to some kind of evasion or resistance stat being at 100%. But in the fight he was clearly hurt by the magic?!?

i am also very curious about that, i'm assuming the guys was at least higher level than mc and the mc could handle that thanks to his resistances

 

[Yuyu_yusha]

Uh, am I mixing up stories? Cause I thought this story said the mc was immune to magic due to some kind of evasion or resistance stat being at 100%. But in the fight he was clearly hurt by the magic?!?

You know like lvl 20 Wartortle vs lvl 80 Charizard. Wartortle is resistant to fire damage, but when lvl 80 torch you with flamethrower the damage still showing.

 

[UdenEmpati]

i am also very curious about that, i'm assuming the guys was at least higher level than mc and the mc could handle that thanks to his resistances

I went back and read through the previous chapters, and based on his dialogue it seems like it's just a matter of his sparring opponent's level versus the level of the monsters he was fighting in the dungeon.

From what I can gather, the monsters no longer could affect him, magic-wise, because of his level respective to theirs - but his opponent in the sparring duel was higher-leveled than him, so it bypassed whatever threshold his resistance ability allowed, is my guess.

 

[Junomano]

I went back and read through the previous chapters, and based on his dialogue it seems like it's just a matter of his sparring opponent's level versus the level of the monsters he was fighting in the dungeon.

From what I can gather, the monsters no longer could affect him, magic-wise, because of his level respective to theirs - but his opponent in the sparring duel was higher-leveled than him, so it bypassed whatever threshold his resistance ability allowed, is my guess.

pretty much what i was saying, and what the mc did is something that will pay off the higher he goes anyway since he'll have a better base than others

 

[feha]

You know like lvl 20 Wartortle vs lvl 80 Charizard. Wartortle is resistant to fire damage, but when lvl 80 torch you with flamethrower the damage still showing.

How is that relevant? We never talked about beign resistant. We talked about having a resistance/evasion at 100% (manga was never clear on whether it is resistance or evasion), which either way means full immunity

So it is like a lvl 256 snorlax trying to headbutt a lvl 0.3183 ghastley.

 

[Yuyu_yusha]

How is that relevant? We never talked about beign resistant. We talked about having a resistance/evasion at 100% (manga was never clear on whether it is resistance or evasion), which either way means full immunity

So it is like a lvl 256 snorlax trying to headbutt a lvl 0.3183 ghastley.

100% magic resitance doesn't equal magic immunity. Resistance reduces the amount of magic damage taken, while immunity prevents most magical effects from affecting the target entirely. Immunity blocks all spell damage, whereas resistance still lets some magic through, just at a reduced amount.
If you have 100 magic resistance, you may only take half or a quarter of the damage.

Note: if you have a beef with that statement, take it to AI. I only stole that lol.

 

[ScryedParadox]

So, slightly confused about the level stuff.

But disregarding this entirely. I'm more confused that he's reacting to magic hitting him or that it even singed his skin to begin with.

Didn't he already grind to get 100% magic evasion?
And it isn't magic resistance either, clearly since chapter 3, he stated that it triggered a Perfect Dodge.

This is intended to be 100% perfect magic dodge, he's supposed to just not receive magic damage, so him being singed by magic makes me confused if it's a translation error or the author not being consistent?

 

[feha]

100% magic resitance doesn't equal magic immunity. Resistance reduces the amount of magic damage taken, while immunity prevents most magical effects from affecting the target entirely. Immunity blocks all spell damage, whereas resistance still lets some magic through, just at a reduced amount.
If you have 100 magic resistance, you may only take half or a quarter of the damage.

Note: if you have a beef with that statement, take it to AI. I only stole that lol.

no, 100% means that you take 0% of the damage, as the formula "100% - 100% = 0%" shows.

Depending on the system, sure, some effects could still get through even at magic immunity from 100% resistance (like sleep-inducing or mind-reading magic; and often beneficial effects do not care about reistance) though likely not, and either way that does not cause any damage or scuff-marks. And not at all if it was magic immunity from 100% evasion.

You are mistaking magic immunity (100% res) from magic resistance (<100% res), somehow, despite me having stated explicitly that 100% resistance = immunity in each comment already.

 

[Yuyu_yusha]

You are mistaking magic immunity (100% res) from magic resistance (<100% res), somehow, despite me having stated explicitly that 100% resistance = immunity in each comment already.

I also stated explicitly that 100% resistance =/= immunity in each reply. I don't mistaking it, it's what i believe since in some manga resistance skill can go like 200% or so and now that's considered immunity. Go beyond that then is free healing.
It's wacky system the author set up, at least i can admit that much.

 

[feha]

I also stated explicitly that 100% resistance =/= immunity in each reply. I don't mistaking it, it's what i believe since in some manga resistance skill can go like 200% or so and now that's considered immunity. Go beyond that then is free healing.
It's wacky system the author set up, at least i can admit that much.

200% would mean you heal as much as you would have taken damage. Not that you got immunity.

Before you said 200% = 0% damage, I was somewhat thinking you might be mistaking percentages with denominators (dmg * 1/(1+res) is a common formula, but notably is not using percentage for the res stat) or asymptotes (such as dmg ^ (1/res), which again is not a percentage).
But for a formula that has 100% damage at 0 res, 50% or 25% at 100 res (which you mentioned earlier), but 0% damage at 200 res, you would need something like 100 - res / 2 (which would make res half-percentages instead of percentages) or 0.000025*res^2−0.01*res+1 = (1-res/2)^2 (not percentage related at all) to achieve that 75% reduction at 100.

No matter how I crunch the numbers to invent formulas, I can't think of any way to make a percentage-based resistance stat produce anything but a 100% reduction at 100%. Mainly cause that is pretty much per definition what a 100% resistance/reduction stat means.
If you had been thinking 200% meant twice as much damage, instead of 0% damage, then at least I could have assumed you mistook resistance for weakness/susceptibility (so immunity would be at 0% instead, and higher = more damage taken). But you showed clearly that isn ot what you were thinking. And so I am lost at trying to guess your thought-process that gets a 100% reistance to anything but a 100% resistance.