Mada Kimi wo Miageteru - Vol. 1 Ch. 8 - As expected, I...

[NotSomeone]

Something to keep in mind when reading this manga is just how rigid and stagnant Japanese society really is. After high school or college (if one attended), making new connections or friendships is very difficult. At best, you might have a few work colleagues, but even then, forging bonds is harder.

The point is, neither character has anyone else to confide in; yet, having been friends back in their school days, they naturally become more important to each other than they will ever be to anyone else around them, with the exception of family (which, in turn, involves other barriers worth mentioning).

At this point in the story, a widow is confiding in an old friend, while he, in turn, feels inspired by her to keep pursuing his dreams. Comments warning about a possible "rebound relationship" fear something that hasn't happened; it is a projection.

It is entirely possible for Otakei to help Tsubaki overcome her grief and for Tsubaki to help Otakei overcome his depression without any romance developing between them, only for them to start dating later, once both have healed (I believe this is the path the author intends to take). That would dispel most of the concerns laid bare in the comments section.

 

[jojoka]

Something to keep in mind when reading this
It is entirely possible for Otakei to help Tsubaki overcome her grief and for Tsubaki to help Otakei overcome his depression without any romance developing between them, only for them to start dating later, once both have healed (I believe this is the path the author intends to take). That would dispel most of the concerns laid bare in the comments section.

You're right but the problem is there's clearly a lot of romantic tension built into scenes. It's not just Otakei being awkward or having a one sided crush there's attention drawn to how Tsubaki looks at him and how sensually she interacts.
I'd prefer too if it was just she's a very physically affectionate person with friends and Otakei is finding it awkward but that's not how it's going so far. If he's hinting that the route is platonic friendship then later dating, then it's gone way too far into the later dating aspect over the platonic part.

 

[humanities_descent]

This story doesn't add up at all; it's hard to believe the whole family hates her just because of that. The look on decassed husband sister's face in the flashback suggests that this is only a fraction of the real reason.

She didn't show much emotion, left early and avoids the topic by flippantly brushing it off and changing the topic.

We know that she's just processing it badly, but the family is probably taking it as proof that she just didn't care about him.

 

[UnderCrow]

Lol 😆 see used goods doesn't even respect her dead husband. Still doesn't answer why she married him in the first place. Can this author hurry up and actually give us the backstory of used goods. Oh right it's a no because this author doesn't understand what pacing is. Lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

You're such a pathetic loser and i feel really bad for any women that is around you irl.

 

[shadowmasstitan]

You're such a pathetic loser and i feel really bad for any women that is around you irl.

Lol 😆 wow I have never heard that before. (Sarcasm) Lol 🤣🤣🤣 oh here is a message from my wife "your more a loser. And that's just sad and pathetic". I love my wife. Lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[TL-Law]

I’m beginning to wonder if Tsubaki had a falling out with her husband just before he died. Is she still wearing the ring out of love, societal/moral obligation, or guilt. Is she perhaps lying to herself that she misses, and still loves him? Is she forcing herself to grieve over his death?

Their marriage could’ve started out positively, and then took a turn for the worse. Tsubaki’s happy memories with her husband could just be another coping mechanism; probably wondering when & where did everything go wrong.

 

[MyonMyonMyonMyonMyonMyon]

I love this manga's comment section. It's basically the definition of our times' constant need to fight debate each other. Call it culture war or whatever.

New users and regulars (you guys especially) are still battling it out on their keyboards, trying to win the same argument that's been repeated... what, eight chapters in a row now? lol

We haven't even hit double digits yet. Surely the cuckbait porn addicts and white knights will get tired of this eventually?

And yet, just like the people typing out their smartass essays every chapter... I can't help opening the comments whenever a new one drops. Maybe I'm the same.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I love this manga's comment section. It's basically the definition of our times' constant need to fight debate each other. Call it culture war or whatever.

New users and regulars (you guys especially) are still battling it out on their keyboards, trying to win the same argument that's been repeated... what, eight chapters in a row now? lol

We haven't even hit double digits yet. Surely the cuckbait porn addicts and white knights will get tired of this eventually?

And yet, just like the people typing out their smartass essays every chapter... I can't help opening the comments whenever a new one drops. Maybe I'm the same.

you're 100% the same given you're here doing an apolitical version of the old "both sides" argument while seemingly pretending like you're above it all.

I mean that without malice, of course, but it's true.

 

[UdenEmpati]

You're right but the problem is there's clearly a lot of romantic tension built into scenes. It's not just Otakei being awkward or having a one sided crush there's attention drawn to how Tsubaki looks at him and how sensually she interacts.
I'd prefer too if it was just she's a very physically affectionate person with friends and Otakei is finding it awkward but that's not how it's going so far. If he's hinting that the route is platonic friendship then later dating, then it's gone way too far into the later dating aspect over the platonic part.

there seemingly being mutual romantic tension between them in this moment doesn't mean romantic development is imminent. I'd even argue that having something like a "false start" between them would make it more interesting, or at least more nonlinear & thus unconventional, than the much more rote "friends now & lovers later".

I realize it's down to personal preference, and that you're also not saying that what's transpiring at present is worse than what you personally would like to see, but as someone else helpfully pointed out -- we're not even 10 chapters into this, and have only really just established the real basis of both Otakei's and Tsubaki's personal character arcs. Judging things from this point when we're barely out of the exposition stage feels premature with how relatively little we can confirm at this point.

 

[jojoka]

there seemingly being mutual romantic tension between them in this moment doesn't mean romantic development is imminent. I'd even argue that having something like a "false start" between them would make it more interesting, or at least more nonlinear & thus unconventional, than the much more rote "friends now & lovers later".

I realize it's down to personal preference, and that you're also not saying that what's transpiring at present is worse than what you personally would like to see, but as someone else helpfully pointed out -- we're not even 10 chapters into this, and have only really just established the real basis of both Otakei's and Tsubaki's personal character arcs. Judging things from this point when we're barely out of the exposition stage feels premature with how relatively little we can confirm at this point.

I think I'm just a bit cautious because I think this could be an interesting story but it could easily go down a boring cheesy route and we're getting signs of that and seeing the signs is like an alarm. I have just seen so many mangas have these signs then go down that route that I'm just cautious about it, I am just that tough cautiously optimistic.
There are definitely a lot of people in the chat rn who have gone full doomer when we haven't even slightly gotten to that point.

 

[MyonMyonMyonMyonMyonMyon]

you're 100% the same given you're here doing an apolitical version of the old "both sides" argument while seemingly pretending like you're above it all.

I mean that without malice, of course, but it's true.

Reasonable interpretation... if you ignore the very last sentence, where I literally acknowledge the irony and undercut any claim to being above it all. I figured that part would've been hard to miss.

Now let's hope we don't spend the next eight chapters overanalyzing my comment too. Then again, you do seem to enjoy this stuff.

 

[Chronigan]

seeing how mc is just a replacement for her husband doesnt sit really well with me
well saying "replacement" might be too far, but it just kinda bugs me
not that im hating or anything like that tho
i know that in the long run it will just be like this,
mc inslump/troubled -> fmc says some supportive words -> husband flashback -> now its mc time to heal fmc wound and repeats
but im still gonna read it nonetheless

What do you mean by replacement?

 

[UdenEmpati]

Reasonable interpretation... if you ignore the very last sentence, where I literally acknowledge the irony and undercut any claim to being above it all. I figured that part would've been hard to miss.

Now let's hope we don't spend the next eight chapters overanalyzing my comment too. Then again, you do seem to enjoy this stuff.

I did not miss the last sentence of your comment.

You said "maybe"
--making the sentence conditional--and thus I affirmed it, including echoing your langauge in reiterating you are "the same".

There's nothing inherently wrong with that, either; assuming you don't also go making disparaging remarks out of overt hostility toward others at the same time.

 

[Crisisninjax]

It sounds as if when Tsubaki ran out of the funeral she stopped seeing her husbands family, probably out of guilt and or shame. I think she assumes they're angry at her based on her sister in law's reaction but it's probably a misunderstanding.

I'm not keen on the author having her remove her ring so soon into the story because it kinda infers she ready to move on which seems way too soon. I hope im wrong. I do hope Otakei views her as a muse and not a romantic option right now. The story could use some breathing room.

 

[story645]

I'm not keen on the author having her remove her ring so soon into the story because it kinda infers she ready to move on which seems way too soon.

Might be a one step forward two back thing? Takes it off in the moment, puts it back on in the morning? But also it's been a year in universe and taking the ring can be a sign of she's ready to start the process of moving on - beginning of the journey rather than the end.

 

[Wetto_]

I wouldn't say he's a replacement just yet but it is worryingly going towards that direction.
I still think this story would have been better without the romantic angle this early on though.

nah he is already a replacement and yeah it would have been better without any romance.

 

[TL-Law]

Might be a one step forward two back thing? Takes it off in the moment, puts it back on in the morning? But also it's been a year in universe and taking the ring can be a sign of she's ready to start the process of moving on - beginning of the journey rather than the end.

Some widows never remove the ring. Some never date or remarry. Some even die of grief; not saying that’ll happen with Tsubaki though.

It honestly seems like Tsubaki has conflicting feelings.

 

[babonjra]

TITLE DROP BABY

 

[story645]

It honestly seems like Tsubaki has conflicting feelings.

Yeah, grief isn't linear. I think the manga's so far done a good job of showing the messy mix of emotions involved.

I don't think the manga is gonna make her a forever widow b/c the parallel to Otakei's narrative of working through his grief over the death of his dreams and starting again is her working through her grief and giving herself permission to give love another chance.

 

[Blazer947]

I'm surprised at your interpretation of the other person's comment. What they're saying is that a rebound relationship is a disservice to both characters. No one is saying she can't find love or happiness again. She just needs to process her grief first because she is clearly still not over her dead husband. She isn't ready for a new relationship right now.

You're overreacting way too much

thanks for explaining my comments further
english is my 5th language so i dont really know how to explain things
i wanted to reply to the other comments but after looking at some of their last couple of comments on some manga (they are literally degrading women), so i decided to just ignore it as having a conversation with people who throw insult or pretends having a civil conversation but include passive aggressive remarks on their comment is not going to be useful