Kimi wa Yotsuba no Clover - Ch. 105

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yooooo, back to back to back to back? :meguupog:
I'll keep my thoughts on the series for now, until we get the final chapter. Let me enjoy the hype for the series finale
 
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It feels rushed because it's missing a small redemption arc / chapter or two for Futaba Futatsugi.
It could've happened in the original timeline (e.g. she shows immense regret for pushing them to the brink - hollowness of revenge), or in the no-Yotsuha timeline (e.g. she actively helps Uichi remembers Yotsuha - Uichi really needed to be shown to work for those memories.)

Anyways, thanks to TL team! Would've been agonising to read each chapter 1 by 1 during the depression part!
 
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Feels rushed and a little akward but is not bad, still within the boundries of the story.

Also, Fu-Mom is a saint lol Smack him again please.
 
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This ending feels rushed and also feels earned at the same time. It's like it should have one more small arc focusing on redeeming Futaba rather than just jumping to a timeline where she's not a bad person yet.

Still take this ending over Takopi, though.
 
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To me, this is one of the most interesting things about time travel stories. Perhaps the manipulative murderer Futaba from the timeline we saw the most doesn't deserve forgiveness or a happy ending. But that Futaba has been completely erased from existence by the time travel; we have a different Futaba now, one that hasn't done anything of the awful things Manipulative Murderer Futaba did. Is this newest Futaba obligated to bear the sins of a previous version of her future self, one of which she has no memory?
I've been wondering if the author had given Futaba the power to time-leap as well. At this point, I think I know why they didn't.

Unless you want another Higurashi ending (I don't), Futaba absolutely couldn't be given the power to time-leap back to try to thwart Yotsuha... because she absolutely can't keep the memories. The only chance Uichi and Yotsuha had, was with a Futaba whose mind isn't already twisted and broken beyond repair.

I understand why some feel the ending is cheap and/or too easy, but after time to ponder it... me, I'm glad it gives us a badly-needed parable:

The easiest way to fix catastrophes, isn't to start after the train wreck has already happened.

The easiest way to not let things get that bad in the first place.

How do you save nine people from falling 35,000 feet to their death? Don't wait until the plane's falling at 50,000 feet per minute, only a few thousand feet from the ground. That would require a miracle that feels cheap and easy in story terms. But what if you could go back to five minutes before the plane takes an incomprehensible turn straight into a monstrous storm cell, and warn them? Or better yet, admonish the maintenance crew to make sure the plane's weather radar won't leave them blind. Or slap the CEO in the head for hiring someone so inexperienced, as the copilot of an extremely unforgiving plane that will kill you if you don't have two top-notch pilots. Or slap the FAA in he head for not requiring better upset-and-recovery training. Etc.
 
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This ending is pretty shit. It just doesn't make sense. From the kid "genius" being able to get so many pawns in the first life, to the mom just not being a piece of shit in the second life because her daughter killed herself? Like, she still would've ruined the doctors life no?

And then we have the power of friendship in the third life for the murderous POS Futaba.
 
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If the author wanted to make a high stakes final arc, he should have made future Futaba to somehow figure out time travel in order to kill Yotsuha, and then we'd have a showdown between her and past Futaba who is still an innocent child and friend with Uichi and Yotsuha.
It kinda seems like the clover only lets you time travel with the goal of protecting someone else's happiness.
 
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It feels rushed because it's missing a small redemption arc / chapter or two for Futaba Futatsugi.
That's what we're seeing right now, though? The remorse for potential future crimes, deep enough to wish for her own death; the adoption of a better way of communicating she learned from her new friends, and the application of that method to prevent tragedies for herself and others.

I can get wanting to see her redeem herself without being guided to it by our main couple, but I can't see a way to make that believably happen. If she had the emotional maturity for that, she never would have turned into such a monster in the first place.
 
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It doesn't fully sit right with me considering what she did in the previous loop but Yotsuha and Uichi chose to forgive her, even if that forgiveness seems a bit unearned.
did you just skim over these last few chapters or something? she's a goddamn child who has done absolutely nothing to either of them at this point of time. what the actual hell do you expect her to do in order to earn their forgiveness?
 
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Oh, I wasn't speaking in terms of what was a problem or not, I just thought people would generally be out for Futaba's blood, or at least actively uninterested in good things happening to her.

To me, this is one of the most interesting things about time travel stories. Perhaps the manipulative murderer Futaba from the timeline we saw the most doesn't deserve forgiveness or a happy ending. But that Futaba has been completely erased from existence by the time travel; we have a different Futaba now, one that hasn't done anything of the awful things Manipulative Murderer Futaba did. Is this newest Futaba obligated to bear the sins of a previous version of her future self, one of which she has no memory?
I don't think it's really fair or reasonable to hold a child who doesn't seem to be much older than eight or nine for actions she has not taken and harm she hasn't committed, which is the position Yotsuha and Uichi seem to have taken as well.
Both your points are true, of course the current Futaba hasn't done anything but we never got to see the murderous Futaba see how wrong her path is.
did you just skim over these last few chapters or something? she's a goddamn child who has done absolutely nothing to either of them at this point of time. what the actual hell do you expect her to do in order to earn their forgiveness?
I've been reading this series for far longer than you've had an account on this forum, yes the current Futaba obviously has not done anything wrong, but from the perspective of the reader, we don't get to see the twisted Futaba suffer the consequences of her path.
 
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I heard this was a dumpster fire of an ending but it's really not that bad I don't get what people were complaining about, it's just quick as hell and a little to smooth for my liking. Was it just how how they're families were quickly fridged that gave people that impression?
Well to be fair there was tons of solid evidence where events happen one after another with the exact details.

Then solidified even more when they know things they normally shouldn't know and the dad reacted to it
 
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I heard this was a dumpster fire of an ending but it's really not that bad I don't get what people were complaining about, it's just quick as hell and a little to smooth for my liking. Was it just how how they're families were quickly fridged that gave people that impression?
It's a very corny ending and it's the most obvious resolution, but I'm 100% here for it.

The tension in this entire story came from the mystery, now that all questions have been answered, I think the pacing could only go this way. Slowing things down at this point could probably only be achieved by adding tedious elements for that sole purpose.

Even if it's not a novel ending, I think it's a decent conclusion to the story. The characters are true to themselves, the themes are true to themselves, and the science fiction has remained consistent. I regret letting the recent negative comments affect my perception of the mangaka, I actually think they did a pretty good job wrapping things up.
 
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everything is moving a mile per minute and all of the suspense from the first half of the series are gone

not sure what to feel about this
 

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