Sousou no Frieren

[dravenhahvok]

Well it was a bad idea to start reading this yesterday, huh?

 

[lolic_addict]

why DMCA was decision to delete chapters

320 mangas were deleted chapters, search reddit information

I know, I'm explicitly asking about the "discussion" forum threads on MangaDex attached to these chapters and not the chapters themselves.
Those got hidden too, but were not part of the nuke.

For example, the discussion thread for Kirei Cake's Chapter 91 is still up, even though the chapter itself is inaccessible.
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/sousou-no-frieren-vol-10-ch-91-front-stage.1344964/

Unfortunately I don't really see a way to get to these threads directly from the series page on Mangadex.
Discussion threads like these keep some semblance of community around chapter releases, which was a significant part of what I liked about reading on Mangadex

 

[MMRune]

I think the anime explained demon's nature well enough, and they skipped almost nothing from the manga. The anime ended on chapter 60, so you can read from chapter 61 to get ahead of the anime.

Thanks for telling me where to start, however I'm saying the way it explained the demon's nature is contradicting. It's either "all demons bad" or "most demons bad but there are exceptions". The show picks (Frieren and the general understanding of that world) and says the first one as the correct answer, however the actions and dialogue given by the demon's themselves, show that the second answer makes more sense. That's why I said it's a contradiction. I don't know if the author was trying to blur the line of which archetype they belong to, but as far as I can tell, it's obvious standout inconstancy.

 

[deadvote]

i got huge shock because i knew its still hiatus so that why i dont open it but today im accidentally checked it and suddenly its chapters gone

 

[Yanqui9]

That whole Cold War/Spy x Family arc at the end before the hiatus was... out of place. I mean, complete with modern police uniforms with modern peaked caps for the "secret police" of the Northren Empire? I can see why the mangaka needed a break...

 

[siddhart]

How can this happened there is no chapter

 

[AnotherRat]

Can't they just at least re-upload the chapters but with no content? I can't remember where I left it at

 

[HDMI1]

Can't they just at least re-upload the chapters but with no content? I can't remember where I left it at

They're working on it.

 

[RichardPercival]

Thanks for telling me where to start, however I'm saying the way it explained the demon's nature is contradicting. It's either "all demons bad" or "most demons bad but there are exceptions". The show picks (Frieren and the general understanding of that world) and says the first one as the correct answer, however the actions and dialogue given by the demon's themselves, show that the second answer makes more sense. That's why I said it's a contradiction. I don't know if the author was trying to blur the line of which archetype they belong to, but as far as I can tell, it's obvious standout inconstancy.

What action did a demon take that made you think some of them were good?

 

[EMJzero]

Damn, why did Frieren also get involved in the copyright crap that is going on…

Honestly, I wish MangaDex could put up a more decent fight to defend its position. In my opinion, all translation done by “professionals” (e.g. Viz) are absolute crap because they care very little about the works they translate. Therefore I would be absolutely up to paying a subscription to MangaDex too if that many could find its way to both the mangakas (through proper payment of the rights) and the freelancer scalators (as long as they did it more as fans than for the money, like it is now)…

 

[Oeconomist]

Well, I discovered this series via MangaDex, and have bought every volume of the licensed translation as they have been released, and licensed copies of the anime adaptation. Had the bootlegged scanlations not been available, I'd have been one fewer customer.

 

[Oeconomist]

I wish MangaDex could put up a more decent fight to defend its position.

As much as they used to write of grey areas, the law has always been against them.

I would be absolutely up to paying a subscription to MangaDex too if that many could find its way to both the mangakas (through proper payment of the rights)

The author and artist sold exclusive licenses. Most creators are not in a position to sell more limited licenses, nor do most of them want to be tied-up in negotiations, nor to pay more fees to agencies.

all translation done by “professionals” (e.g. Viz) are absolute crap because they care very little about the works they translate

Eh, that's too broad a claim. But certainly some bootlegged scanlations are better than some licensed translations.

My suggestion is that the scanlators who are really committed form syndicates and firms, and become subcontractors.

But, no matter what, the price of a licensed copy is going to stay about where it is (adjusting for more general price-inflation).

 

[Bandiger]

What action did a demon take that made you think some of them were good?

Putting this in spoilers since it's from Chapter 83. Also I haven't gotten past the goddess monument arc so apologies if what I'm about to say has already been covered.

I would not call anything we see good, but if you'll recall from The Golden Land arc there where Frieren is exploring Macht's memory there is that scene where the demon who can sea the future apologizes to Frieren for hiding what's going to happen next. There's also some comments about the Demon King's odd behavior/attitudes and there is Macht's odd behavior. It's pretty suspect we've had hints but few details about the Demon King and his defeat.

The demons definitely aren't good, but the author has been hinting for a while that something is going on with them or some of them are evolving or something. It feels like the common theme is them trying to be more and it ending poorly to me, though.

 

[Yanqui9]

Well, I discovered this series via MangaDex, and have bought every volume of the licensed translation as they have been released, and licensed copies of the anime adaptation. Had the bootlegged scanlations not been available, I'd have been one fewer customer.

I, as well, have bought many titles officially on Kindle and such because I saw them first at sites like this where I could preview them. Frieren is one of them.

 

[curvedtree]

Isn't this the longest hiatus this manga has been in? It will be 6 months by the end of the month

 

[dsfargeg]

Thanks for telling me where to start, however I'm saying the way it explained the demon's nature is contradicting. It's either "all demons bad" or "most demons bad but there are exceptions". The show picks (Frieren and the general understanding of that world) and says the first one as the correct answer, however the actions and dialogue given by the demon's themselves, show that the second answer makes more sense. That's why I said it's a contradiction. I don't know if the author was trying to blur the line of which archetype they belong to, but as far as I can tell, it's obvious standout inconstancy.

"this species of psychopathic serial liars claims that they're good, therefore at least some of them must be good."
Frieren's demons are my favorite villain species in any form of media because they so consistently trick the lowest of humanity into exposing themselves.

No, your failure to distinguish the meaning of a word from the intent behind the speaker of the word isn't inconsistent worldbuilding.

 

[Exile]

"this species of psychopathic serial liars claims that they're good, therefore at least some of them must be good."
Frieren's demons are my favorite villain species in any form of media because they so consistently trick the lowest of humanity into exposing themselves.

No, your failure to distinguish the meaning of a word from the intent behind the speaker of the word isn't inconsistent worldbuilding.

There are people seeming desperate to turn demons into humans with extra bits.

This been done before, many times and this is often a misguided attempt at "humanizing" Demons by removing what they are and becoming just humans with extra bits, something that was also done to other mythological creatures.

Demons on this series are simply superpredators that prey on humans, to argue they are good is about the same to argue Orcas are good were even the name "killer whale" is because they hunted bigger whales and not because they kill everything in their path, their hunting behavior is not exactly what can be called humane and lets not talk about what they do to porpoises and seals.

The flaw in their argument and since someone is going to bring this up is that people think in absolutes ... humans are capable of "good" and "evil" and because they are intelligent beings they can choose thus as Demons are also intelligent beings they must be capable of the same thing ... anyone can see the issues or should, first that the concept of "good" and "evil" are entirely human creations and ones that altered over time, there are some basic "ideas" but they are mostly due to human social nature pushing towards certain behaviors and the second is, those concepts are human ... other species wont have then because they arent absolute laws, just because some people think people should co-exist, said people likely dont want to co-exist with pests, this is why nobody seems to be in any hurry to bring back the Rocky Mountain locus.

Demons arent human, they have some human traits for the last maybe 3 centuries they been pushed into being more and more "human", the complain is more trying to make fiction to comply with their believes, the fact Demons look human also pushes the notion any difference must be "superficial" and they are the same as humans despite they are not, their similarity is even a method for then to be more effective at hunting and killing humans as it allows then to pass off as human, the series have pointed this out many times and yet they refused to see it, why? Its simply because they look human and so must be human and shares the same values as human.

 

[nokosama]

Not sure why all the English chapters are gone from this site. But it's back!!!!! Chapter 141 just dropped.

 

[LordTartaros]

Not sure why all the English chapters are gone from this site. But it's back!!!!! Chapter 141 just dropped.

There was a huge purge across the site, thousands of series got all their chapters wiped out.