Kusunoki-san wa Koukou Debut ni Shippai Shite Iru - Vol. 4 Ch. 24 - I was hopelessly in love with you

[kihara01]

Hebikawa definitely seems not a bad person, but not a good person either.

how should i said it, every time MC acted like "you are a bad person please stay away from me" towards hebikawa, the panel show how bewildered hebikawa is, even from the converstation its like she wanted to said "i never abused you and i always act like this towards everyone, but why you got scared and treat me like a bad person".

if anything, for me Hebikawa is not affectionate girl that can not show empathy, she is just a cold type person that always clearly said what is in her mind no matter if its gonna hurt other people or not (typical cold personality), but she is not the type of person that would abuse and harassed people around, all of these bad thing about Hebikawa is only in MC mind due to his trauma and low self-esteem.

from this chapter it seems Hebikawa didnt know that other people would see her as bad person from how her act all this time, thats why she is bewildered when MC act "you dont remember anything ?, are you gonna blackmail me ?, it doesnt big deal to you ?, please stay away from kusonoki".

Hebikawa seems a reasonable and mature person, after know the reason why MC treat her like she is a bad person, she doesnt upset or try to make excuse and nailed everything what is MC afraid of, that all those thing just in MC mind, leaving MC alone and doesnt pry any further.

I believe Hebikawa is not a love interest as i saw this is not typical harem manga, cant wait the future release Hebikawa Pov what is in her mind and how her personality will develope after realise that her acted all these time unintentionally hurt other people when she didnt mean it that way.

 

[himesaminako]

Hebikawa definitely seems not a bad person, but not a good person either.

if anything, for me Hebikawa is not affectionate girl that can not show empathy, she is just a cold type person that always clearly said what is in her mind no matter if its gonna hurt other people or not (typical cold personality), but she is not the type of person that would abuse and harassed people around, all of these bad thing about Hebikawa is only in MC mind due to his trauma and low self-esteem.

I really, really, feel like people are just warping what has happened in the story now, and its crazy cause this chapter has not revealed anything we didn't know about Hebikawa

Hebikawa isn't just unempathetic/blunt, she is outright manipulative and scheming. She hasn't "abused" anyone but she is always thinking about how to use people, to the point where she can't even believe someone so honest/genuine like Kusunoki exists. That's not just being cold/unempathetic and speaking her mind bluntly, she literally schemes on how to elevate herself and she looks down on people and straight up calls them disgusting. Characters in the story call her black hearted. She literally uses people to her advantage, not to form relationships/friendships but to advance her goals

Y'all are tripping saying she's neither bad nor good. Anyone in real life that acts like her is an asshole in my head, and assholes are bad. It's really not that hard lol

 

[irem01]

I have CPTSD. I have developed countless dysfunctional coping mechanisms to survive the years of constant abuse I endured. It wasn't until I realized that what I experienced was abuse and not just the natural consequences of my failures that I realized the root of my dysfunctional coping mechanisms and I was able to start healing them and developing healthier behaviors. I was constantly told by my abuser and even by some terrible therapists not to victimize myself and that unless I was suppressing my emotions which left me acting like an emotionless husk of a person, my reactions were too extreme. It's invalidating and disrespectful, and it does nothing but signal to people that it's not safe for them to be emotionally vulnerable and authentic around you or make any kind of progress in processing their trauma around you.

That's exactly what this entire chapter was about, Hebikawa invalidating Keisuke's experience and disrepecting him by saying "you were just dreaming of that on your own" as if she didn't manipulate him for her own public image and "it wasn't a big deal" like the pain she caused him doesn't matter.

You may not give a shit, but I hope someone reads this and realizes that just by acknowledging someone's trauma and victimhood and holding space for them, they can help them immensely.

Hope you are doing better

 

[jicxkzs]

I guess the drama will just be her disrupting mc and kuso's ship

 

[GOAT_of.the_Uchiha]

Well, yeah. Shizuki's whole "Trauma" WAS pretty petty in an objective point of view. Even if I put myself in his shoes, I can't see myself becoming so pathetic as a 16-17 year old just because of finding out that someone I had a crush on wasn't an angel but a flawed and mean human.

 

[SupremeDoc]

Exactly, and just look at this chapter alone. She knows that something is making him feel physically ill just by looking at her. She knows that she treated him poorly back then and participated in bullying him (even if she may not know that he knows that). Yet, she still pushes him into this conversation, manipulating him to come with her, tells him how "close they were" (hah), and basically just gloats over how terrible she made him feel.

A normal person would be worried about hurting someone else unintentionally. She never once showed concern in this chapter (only fake concern). She constantly smirks when he mentions what he has been through and the crush he had on her. She clearly relishes the fact that she made him feel like that and that he has been pining over it all these years. She clearly enjoyed telling him that she was completely indifferent to him. It comes across as sadistic.

That's not "mature behavior." And his trauma isn't fake, either. Being a lonely, bullied kid and finding out that the one person who showed you kindness was actually two-faced, meaning that the only source of appreciation that he had was fake - that's more than enough to develop a trauma. And the way that she is acting in this chapter shows that she hasnt changed at all. That she has no remorse whatsoever. And that she will continue messing with him and the person he loves. How the fuck do people take this chapter as a reason to exonerate her of all wrongdoing?

There's something very wrong with some manga readers. Maybe it's a lack of empathy for male characters? Maybe it's an attraction to "evil" women? It's gotta be something.

these basement dwellers are so disconnected from reality. all they know is their 2D worlds and nothing else. they could never fathom something as realistic as what this manga is trying to portray

 

[Bsuensodndo]

This mc is too fking soft to be called a man, or a boy in general, like how can you fumble so bad like this it's insane

 

[Kalbiaczek]

Blackmail using the fact that he used to be fat?
I'll chalk it up to teenage insecurity.

It's probably about the toxicity of the asian culture if you are depressed or insecure they will exploit you and make you even more miserable that's how it works they will be mocking you after you kill yourself because it's something a coward would do or just genuenly not care about that

 

[aoee]

cant blame her, that was lame

 

[Funky_Cosmonaut]

It hurts even more, knowing a traumatic moment in your life was a meaningless, forgettable blip in the memories of the one that hurt you.