Tsuihou Sareta Renkinjutsushi-san, Saikyou no Dungeon wo Tsukurimasen ka? - Vol. 4 Ch. 35

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[PhantomXTrinity]

So... all three of them would be dead right?

 

[ShinduPK4]

They're both utterly ill-suited for the position of hero.

 

[razorshaleh]

ugghhh...., raaahh... uwooaahhh...after that yapping again
12 panel good battle, 4 page before end for yapping at least this chapter is better than previous 3 chapters despite cliffhanger at the end

Thank you for translating

 

[UncleKaos]

reads the chapter and blinks. it is over already: uh... sobs

They're both utterly ill-suited for the position of hero.

I agree. both are not good person at all. but Allen is worst because he is fine to kill everyone if they stand in his way. he would say "your own fault." he won't accept he is to be blamed for all the failures. it is always others' fault.

 

[Haru777]

Well. It depends on your definition of a hero. The kingdom rewarded Allen for being a selfish asshat because he got results that (assumedly) lead to a wide spread good.

And Toni's skill is very limited comparatively to Allen's. So really Toni needs to rage against the system instead of Allen.

 

[Hoezell]

All according to keikaku

 

[StormSen]

They're both utterly ill-suited for the position of hero.

reads the chapter and blinks. it is over already: uh... sobs

I agree. both are not good person at all. but Allen is worst because he is fine to kill everyone if they stand in his way. he would say "your own fault." he won't accept he is to be blamed for all the failures. it is always others' fault.

Both of these guys are villains. Both of them treat everyone else as disposable tools in their quest for self-aggrandizement. The only difference is that Tony dresses it up in some noble language.

I think that this is another one of those cases where Japanese and Western concepts just don't match well. Neither of these idiots at all qualify as 'Heroes' by Western standards. They're more like 'Strongmen' or 'State Sponsored Thugs'. Yet the author here has them arguing their respective 'Hero' ideology.

...

This leads me off into an aside into wondering about various JP literature 'heroes'. ... But that would be a whole research paper. ... Yeah, I don't have the time for that.

Update: Related: Hero in Japanese. In short, the native Japanese words translate better as "Brave Man/Woman". But they also use 'Hiro' i.e. imported version of 'Hero'. It seems like the native concept essentially means 'Brave, Strong' but does not include the virtue that is inherent to the English concept.

In modern English, a 'hero' inherently is someone who sacrifices or risks their lives for the benefit of others. Unless, it's something like a 'Sports Hero', in which case it just means someone who is outstanding in that sport. And worth noting that 'Heroes' from older times are less virtuous, e.g. Hercules -- great strength, but a pretty mixed bag as far as virtue goes.

Hmm... The idea of a 'Hero' is one of the things that define a civilization, since it defines one of the major ideals for behavior of people in that civilization.

Well, that's the 'top of my head' rambling.

 

[kingdedede]

everybody in this manga is fucked in the head LMAO

 

[hevensdragon]

Both of these guys are villains. Both of them treat everyone else as disposable tools in their quest for self-aggrandizement. The only difference is that Tony dresses it up in some noble language.

I think that this is another one of those cases where Japanese and Western concepts just don't match well. Neither of these idiots at all qualify as 'Heroes' by Western standards. They're more like 'Strongmen' or 'State Sponsored Thugs'. Yet the author here has them arguing their respective 'Hero' ideology.

...

This leads me off into an aside into wondering about various JP literature 'heroes'. ... But that would be a whole research paper. ... Yeah, I don't have the time for that.

Update: Related: Hero in Japanese. In short, the native Japanese words translate better as "Brave Man/Woman". But they also use 'Hiro' i.e. imported version of 'Hero'. It seems like the native concept essentially means 'Brave, Strong' but does not include the virtue that is inherent to the English concept.

In modern English, a 'hero' inherently is someone who sacrifices or risks their lives for the benefit of others. Unless, it's something like a 'Sports Hero', in which case it just means someone who is outstanding in that sport. And worth noting that 'Heroes' from older times are less virtuous, e.g. Hercules -- great strength, but a pretty mixed bag as far as virtue goes.

Hmm... The idea of a 'Hero' is one of the things that define a civilization, since it defines one of the major ideals for behavior of people in that civilization.

Well, that's the 'top of my head' rambling.

I mean yeah, their literature hero's are strong as hell, but all the historical ones are often total assholes. Remember things like that if a sword breaks in a fight, its was the right of the wielder to kill the blacksmith. Or that samurai and warlords were the idealized warriors. While nowhere near as evil as the Chinese hero's, they were petty as hell and would kill any who stood against them, or turn them into a monster or something most of the historical ones are heavily tied to yokai and kami after all.
The cores of a Japanese hero, overwhelming strength, never bowing down (this one means no apologizing as well), They can stand up to any slights or mistreatment (so many Japanese are beat down socially that being able to just lash out at abusers is part of the fantasy)
And that is kind of the key here, the idea of someone who saves them is practically taboo. As to be saved one means your weak, and two it breaks Japanese biggest taboo, mind your own business and don't trouble others. They have to be strong enough to save themselves. And if not they deserve the treatment. That thought is ingrained in their culture.

 

[Pyras]

Good. Now kill off each other.
And Victor can serve MC instead.

 

[UncannyLuck]

They're all horrible monsters who need to die for the good of everyone else.

 

[Kefrayba]

Looks like it's going be flashback next chapter?

 

[nachzil]

"only thing i trust is my own strength!"
Me: you mean that punny strength of your that unable to do anything without MC's golden potion?

 

[lesseffective]

 

[niononko]

I mean Tony at least a miles better hero compare to Allen since he understand how to use all of his strength that's include his comrade skill too

 

[ScryedParadox]

Eh.... I don't care? They can both die, that'd work out alright.

Actually that was always the plan to begin with, and the premise of the entire story. All of the intruders are going to die, just a question of how at this point.

Also, they're both hypocrites. The Hero saying that he doesn't need others is entirely reliant on doping to become the almighty being that he believes a Hero needs to be, and in a militaristic view, he isn't wrong.

While the Hero candidate saying his Nakama stuff also feels like meaningless ideological preaching without substance, and in the idealized public view of what a Hero should be isn't wrong.

But again, I don't care about either of them.

 

[BackRunner]

One is a tyrant that is blind to his own weakness and that is, he is just using drugs to empower himself.

One is a righteous idiot that gets used by others as long as they spout "righteous" stuff. Closeminded too to others telling them wrong.

They can both die in a ditch somewhere.

 

[Seetee]

Thank you for the translation!