Moto Ansatsusha, Tensei Shite Kizoku no Reijou ni Narimashita - Ch. 24 - Strategy Meeting

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Fortunately you don’t have to worry about Shagard.

Some spoilers about Shagard.
About Shagard’s mother, iirc
She run away with one of her guard knight and both lived in hiding probably as commoners. She doesn’t return to her family but completely walks out of the noble society.
Her father in law managed to track them, but understanding what she went through in the palace, he ordered to just let her have her peace, and even secretly give aid for her new life.
 
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Look if anyone can knock out someone with a steel fan, it’s gonna be this chick.
 
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War fans are larger and much heavier. Some can contain poison darts or other contraptions to enhance their assassination capabilities as well.
 
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The fan reminds me of those old Geisha assassinations in the Shogun: Total War games. Pretty sure one of those cutscenes was killing someone with a fan.

Serena's obliviousness reminds me of how in Heroine Survival Aria gets annoyed that guys keep falling in love with her, when she does stuff like kabedon or go commando around them.

Thanks for the translation, looked good!
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the thing is why they are bullying the next king anyway they should now once he become one chopping their heads wont be an issue
they're doing that because they're convinced he won't become king. They expect to become dual ruling monarchs, because they're the prince's son & daughter and their concubine mother has been filling their heads with poison against the main royal family.
And their mother will absolutely have been trying to pull strings and build support to make certain her children actually take the throne, whether it takes the assassination of the main prince or what-have-you.
 
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Almost all girls are done growing by 16, and won't gain any more height or bust size. Typically they are mostly finished by 14 and only grow a small amount after that. Boys are slower to finish growing and for some reason people tend to think of the male growth rate as being normal.

Technically both genders have some amount of growth that continues until 18-23 depending on the person, but it's mostly internal and imperceptible. Those internal changes can actually be pretty important, but they don't meaningfully impact height or bust size.
That's totally fair - I more know the mental/brain side of things where boys take way longer to reach mental maturity because of what I did study-wise in college.

I guess I just don't remember high school all that well because I feel like very few girls in those 4 years looked like Serena (or really many of the female characters you tend to see in manga, barring maybe a few more notable exceptions).
Could be where I grew up, could be I was just an idiot who didn't pay attention then, or an idiot who just doesn't remember years after the fact. I'm more than used to being wrong or ignorant on things so I never assume I'm correct in most cases, anyway.
 
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Iron fans do exist but historically mainly for signalling. Maybe if you have it folded you could tap someone but I doubt it's effectiveness. :thonk:
Also flintlocks are quite advanced for a prototype gun. Not only are they reliable compared to their ancestors but also relatively accurate depending on the shooter.
If it was a prototype it should at least be a matchlock or a primitive handgonne rather than an advanced firearm
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I was surprised it's a flintlock too, but if you look at the picture, it's definitely one.
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I honestly assume it's the result of the Author quickly googling "Early Firearms" or something, finding something like this, and just going with it without much research into the matter, since we haven't seen any other examples of guns so far, so this doesn't really make sense.
I would assume it's at least smoothbore, since Rick built it in his basement.
 
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well it definitely didn't seem that way in her flashbacks, unless you mean an even earlier previous life

Also, comfort in and desire for familiarity/consistency from fashion aren't really confined to or defined by gender separate from forced societal norms and expectations, and whether or not the author was getting that deep or not in that particular respect, I can appreciate them bucking that norm in this case.
Yeah I did mean an even earlier one as a simple obvious joke.
 
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I was surprised it's a flintlock too, but if you look at the picture, it's definitely one.
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I honestly assume it's the result of the Author quickly googling "Early Firearms" or something, finding something like this, and just going with it without much research into the matter, since we haven't seen any other examples of guns so far, so this doesn't really make sense.
I would assume it's at least smoothbore, since Rick built it in his basement.
Yeah usually for the most part, when people think of "primitive" or prototypes they would think of flintlocks or similar muzzle loaders. And of course parroting the usual stereotypes of poor performance. (Though if they were that bad why would our forefathers even use them?):thonk:
I guess its not as cool to be using a muzzle loading firearm than a bladed instrument in a swords and magic fantasy. The superior Japanese tessen can cut through bullets after all :dogkek:
 
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Very flashy dress for an assassin
Sometimes, being too obviously one thing will blind people to everything else. They'll be so distracted by her appearance they wouldn't think that she's also a deadly assassin. There's also the aspect of "if you act confident like you're allowed to be there/doing that" most people won't question it. The worst thing you can do if you're trying to be sneaky is act suspicious.
 
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Yeah usually for the most part, when people think of "primitive" or prototypes they would think of flintlocks or similar muzzle loaders. And of course parroting the usual stereotypes of poor performance. (Though if they were that bad why would our forefathers even use them?):thonk:
I guess its not as cool to be using a muzzle loading firearm than a bladed instrument in a swords and magic fantasy. The superior Japanese tessen can cut through bullets after all :dogkek:
Everyone knew that early firearms (smoothbore and earlier) were notoriously innaccurate and unwieldly. Which is why bayonet charges were still so popular (everyone fires once, and then charges in instead of reloading). I'm sure others came up with the idea, it's really simple in concept after all, but Nobunaga is attributed to the 3+ tier firing order (can't remember the name or be bothered to look it up) where you'd have squad 1 fire and start reloading, then squad 2 fires and starts reloading then squad 3 fires and starts reloading and squad 1 is ready to fire and repeat. Allowing for more volleys of bullets to keep the enemy formation under fire and in disarray.

But yeah, early firearms were inaccurate and a pain to reload, but they're the deadliest personal weapon we've created and while they had the downsides it was basically guaranteed to kill or at remove a person from the equation when they get hit. They also required comparatively less training than martial weapons or cold projectiles like bows and crossbows (well, about the same as a crossbow I'd wager)
 
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Yeah usually for the most part, when people think of "primitive" or prototypes they would think of flintlocks or similar muzzle loaders. And of course parroting the usual stereotypes of poor performance. (Though if they were that bad why would our forefathers even use them?):thonk:
I guess its not as cool to be using a muzzle loading firearm than a bladed instrument in a swords and magic fantasy. The superior Japanese tessen can cut through bullets after all :dogkek:
To be fair, in our time when rifled barrels are the norm, smoothbore may as well be seen as dial up compared to ethernet.

That said, I doubt author inserted that scene in just to shit talk early firearms. It'll defo be plot relevant, a literal Chekov's gun.
 
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That's totally fair - I more know the mental/brain side of things where boys take way longer to reach mental maturity because of what I did study-wise in college.

I guess I just don't remember high school all that well because I feel like very few girls in those 4 years looked like Serena (or really many of the female characters you tend to see in manga, barring maybe a few more notable exceptions).
Could be where I grew up, could be I was just an idiot who didn't pay attention then, or an idiot who just doesn't remember years after the fact. I'm more than used to being wrong or ignorant on things so I never assume I'm correct in most cases, anyway.
Where I grew up it was common. We had middle schoolers of both gender sneaking into high school parties and high school sophomore and up sneak into college parties and stuff. I swear it was something in the water. Your either baby faced or overtly mature. This problem contributed greatly in why my hometown had the highest high-school birthrate of the state for our year.
 
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Where I grew up it was common. We had middle schoolers of both gender sneaking into high school parties and high school sophomore and up sneak into college parties and stuff. I swear it was something in the water. Your either baby faced or overtly mature. This problem contributed greatly in why my hometown had the highest high-school birthrate of the state for our year.
I grew up in a big wine-growing region, but was a shut-in nerd in my teenage years so I probably just wasn't around the people who would have clued me into the statistical realities of my grade those four years.

I fully believe that it's the case in a lot of ways, though. I just am also used to manga artists....shall we say "idealizing" character designs to the tastes of certain audiences, and have just stopped trusting in the realism aspect, at least on its face.
 
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I'm gonna yap here for a bit of fun.
Any manga enjoyers feel free to skip my digressions. TLDR: Musketry lore. :meguu:
Everyone knew that early firearms (smoothbore and earlier) were notoriously innaccurate and unwieldly. Which is why bayonet charges were still so popular (everyone fires once, and then charges in instead of reloading). I'm sure others came up with the idea, it's really simple in concept after all, but Nobunaga is attributed to the 3+ tier firing order (can't remember the name or be bothered to look it up) where you'd have squad 1 fire and start reloading, then squad 2 fires and starts reloading then squad 3 fires and starts reloading and squad 1 is ready to fire and repeat. Allowing for more volleys of bullets to keep the enemy formation under fire and in disarray.

But yeah, early firearms were inaccurate and a pain to reload, but they're the deadliest personal weapon we've created and while they had the downsides it was basically guaranteed to kill or at remove a person from the equation when they get hit. They also required comparatively less training than martial weapons or cold projectiles like bows and crossbows (well, about the same as a crossbow I'd wager)
As I mentioned before, flintlock muzzle loaders and similar firearms contrary to popular belief are relatively accurate. But if they were accurate, why would people continue to fight linearly? And why is the belief that they are innaccurate prevails?
People fought linearly since it was the most efficient way to control a large number of people. By having everyone in a big group you could communicate orders efficiently and quickly. If everyone was spread apart, whilst it would be more effective to take cover and return fire, orders would be more difficult to communicate due to the distance between individuals. This also presents vulnerability to cavalry and melee charges.
As you mentioned, bayonet charges were a popular tactic in linear warfare (though it became less popular and less effective as guns and tactics became more efficient, such as in the American civil war). Bayonet charges however were not the main method of dealing casualties. In fact most bayonet charges would not result in melee combat. As either the attacker would break due to the incoming fire, or the defender would route due to the incoming stabby stab. (Most people would want to not get stabbed after all).
Bayonet charges are used to gain ground and push enemies back. Not as a method to deal casualties because of inefficient firearms. A trained soldier with a flintlock muzzle loader and paper cartiridges should be able to put down 2~3 rounds a minute.
So, back to the question of accuracy; I'd argue that this is due to the shooter more than the firearm. Certainly early renditions of firearms such as the handgonne or arquebus (hence the mentions in the first post) were innaccurate, unwieldy and unreliable; the point of impact differing to the point of aim, lacking buttstocks and requiring an extra aiming fork, suffering from an unreliable and unsafe ignition source (a slow burning match). But flintlocks are a lot more better to the point that many of these factors do not apply significantly and thtat accuracy is dependent on the shooter.
The chaos of combat is a big factor that contributes to this: getting shot at, the fatigue of fighting, fouling of the gun and the constant smoke; it all leads to
less rounds on target. This all applies to modern shooting too. Hence why it may take hundreds or thousands of bullets to hit one guy. In modern warfare, arty and other munitions contribute more to casualities.

In regards to the idea of the countermarch or firing by volley, as made popular by Oda Nobunaga by his alleged applications (Though we don't know if he actually did). It is not a new idea and has been used throughout history. Other firing drills such as platoon firing also achieve the same result. Using different firing drills may have different effects. Whether you want a constant rate of fire or a big blast all at once.

Overall, I'd argue that the notion of muzzleloaders such as flintlocks being ineffective weapons being a false stereotype. Are they innaccurate? No. Are they unwieldy? way less than their predecessors. Are they a pain to reload? Not as bad as you think. They are relatively accurate and can be fast to reload with paper cartridges. The conditions of its usage is what determines its effectiveness.

Anyways thanks for reading my ted talk. :meguu:
 
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@Carn109 To add to what you wrote: Smoothbore muskets can be reasonably accurate to about 100 meters for most hunters of the time. The reason why military muskets have a reputation for poor accuracy is because militaries prioritized consistent fire-over-time rather than accurate fire.

They used undersized balls that loaded quickly to fire consistent shots for up to 20 minutes. If they used proper balls that civilian hunters used, those guns would be hard to load, and stop working after around 4-6 shots - because of fouling and expansion of barrel. The undersized balls also made loading the gun relatively fast for the time, since you didn't have to line up the ball perfectly for it to go in. It was also not uncommon for soldiers in the British army to be able to fire and load 4 shots in one minute.

There also wasn't any point in making it more accurate when your target is a literal wall of people just waiting their turn to be shot at. You'll hit someone as long as you point the gun at them.
 
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I'm gonna yap here for a bit of fun.
Any manga enjoyers feel free to skip my digressions. TLDR: Musketry lore. :meguu:

As I mentioned before, flintlock muzzle loaders and similar firearms contrary to popular belief are relatively accurate. But if they were accurate, why would people continue to fight linearly? And why is the belief that they are innaccurate prevails?
People fought linearly since it was the most efficient way to control a large number of people. By having everyone in a big group you could communicate orders efficiently and quickly. If everyone was spread apart, whilst it would be more effective to take cover and return fire, orders would be more difficult to communicate due to the distance between individuals. This also presents vulnerability to cavalry and melee charges.
As you mentioned, bayonet charges were a popular tactic in linear warfare (though it became less popular and less effective as guns and tactics became more efficient, such as in the American civil war). Bayonet charges however were not the main method of dealing casualties. In fact most bayonet charges would not result in melee combat. As either the attacker would break due to the incoming fire, or the defender would route due to the incoming stabby stab. (Most people would want to not get stabbed after all).
Bayonet charges are used to gain ground and push enemies back. Not as a method to deal casualties because of inefficient firearms. A trained soldier with a flintlock muzzle loader and paper cartiridges should be able to put down 2~3 rounds a minute.
So, back to the question of accuracy; I'd argue that this is due to the shooter more than the firearm. Certainly early renditions of firearms such as the handgonne or arquebus (hence the mentions in the first post) were innaccurate, unwieldy and unreliable; the point of impact differing to the point of aim, lacking buttstocks and requiring an extra aiming fork, suffering from an unreliable and unsafe ignition source (a slow burning match). But flintlocks are a lot more better to the point that many of these factors do not apply significantly and thtat accuracy is dependent on the shooter.
The chaos of combat is a big factor that contributes to this: getting shot at, the fatigue of fighting, fouling of the gun and the constant smoke; it all leads to
less rounds on target. This all applies to modern shooting too. Hence why it may take hundreds or thousands of bullets to hit one guy. In modern warfare, arty and other munitions contribute more to casualities.

In regards to the idea of the countermarch or firing by volley, as made popular by Oda Nobunaga by his alleged applications (Though we don't know if he actually did). It is not a new idea and has been used throughout history. Other firing drills such as platoon firing also achieve the same result. Using different firing drills may have different effects. Whether you want a constant rate of fire or a big blast all at once.

Overall, I'd argue that the notion of muzzleloaders such as flintlocks being ineffective weapons being a false stereotype. Are they innaccurate? No. Are they unwieldy? way less than their predecessors. Are they a pain to reload? Not as bad as you think. They are relatively accurate and can be fast to reload with paper cartridges. The conditions of its usage is what determines its effectiveness.

Anyways thanks for reading my ted talk. :meguu:
@Carn109 To add to what you wrote: Smoothbore muskets can be reasonably accurate to about 100 meters for most hunters of the time. The reason why military muskets have a reputation for poor accuracy is because militaries prioritized consistent fire-over-time rather than accurate fire.

They used undersized balls that loaded quickly to fire consistent shots for up to 20 minutes. If they used proper balls that civilian hunters used, those guns would be hard to load, and stop working after around 4-6 shots - because of fouling and expansion of barrel. The undersized balls also made loading the gun relatively fast for the time, since you didn't have to line up the ball perfectly for it to go in. It was also not uncommon for soldiers in the British army to be able to fire and load 4 shots in one minute.

There also wasn't any point in making it more accurate when your target is a literal wall of people just waiting their turn to be shot at. You'll hit someone as long as you point the gun at them.
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